Starting the year with only 16 players they site lack of players as the reason. Its a brand new high school , to bad.
1A Jones cancels remainder of 2019 Football season
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Is the new school building finished. The county is poor and was crushed in the hurricane last year. A lot of folks left and have not returned.
It is a new building, even though the school itself has been in existence for some time now.
Now that every single student in the county (K-12) is on the same campus, they ought to be able to build some pride and get kids excited about playing...
But yes, there is nothing in that county to draw new people to move there. Most of the people I know who have been to Trenton and Maysville have only been passing through to the beach.
I hadn’t thought about it, but I’m sure people are leaving in droves. There aren’t many “one high school counties” much smaller than Jones. I think Tyrrell County is the smallest, with only tiny Columbia High.
Now that every single student in the county (K-12) is on the same campus, they ought to be able to build some pride and get kids excited about playing...
But yes, there is nothing in that county to draw new people to move there. Most of the people I know who have been to Trenton and Maysville have only been passing through to the beach.
I hadn’t thought about it, but I’m sure people are leaving in droves. There aren’t many “one high school counties” much smaller than Jones. I think Tyrrell County is the smallest, with only tiny Columbia High.
If I remember correctly, I think the NCDPI approved, or was considering approving, the idea of merging small LEAs like Jones and Tyrrell. Giving them the option of making a multi-county school district with contiguous school districts.
Was I dreaming that?
Was I dreaming that?
In a related story, Robbinsville and Hayesville and Columbia and Jones and others like them are the reason that the charter schools have absolutely no business competing for state championships at the 1A level in any sport
My child attends a charter school. She's 6-years-old, so I haven't really figured out the athletics side of things yet. Can you explain this so an ignorant old fool like me understands?
Charter schools compete with the NCHSAA if they are a regular public charter. And they have sports to play.
Middle school did not have a team this year. Football at Jones may never come back. Hope that is not the case, but...........
My daughter goes to Wilson Prep. They don't have a football team, but they just joined the Tar-Roanoke 1-A conference in other sports. I don't follow how they compete with the NCHSAA. They compete against other schools of similar size and they play by the Association's rules. I'm still not following where the issue is.
Not a new school at all. They've been around since the early 70s, maybe even before that, and they played for the ship as recently as 2011.
It very well might be gone. Perhaps they could look at fielding one of those 8 man teams and compete with the few small private schools that participate.
St. David’s (Raleigh)
Faith Christian (Rocky Mount)
Arendell Parrott Academy (Kinston)
Rocky Mount Academy
Southampton Academy (Courtland, VA)
GRACE Academy (Raleigh)
Cary Christian (Cary)
So, I get to looking at some of these teams’ schedules... I see some are playing games against 11 man teams... Surely the 8 man teams have to play 11 man rules in these situations. Bear Grass Charter seems to flip-flop between the two styles.
Yes I know Jones has been around for quite a while. Maybe I should have said "A New School Building". thats what I ment any way.
Yes, you have some time before your 6 year old will be playing high school sports, (mine too), and don't be too rough on yourself....the bulk of the charter schools, for as long as they have been in existence have been classified in 1A (only exceptions I know of are Lake Norman Charter, 2A for a while now, and NC Sch. of Sci. & Math, who has been 2A in last couple of realignments, and NCSSM is different than most typical public charters because it is a boarding school where kids really do come from all over the state and live there, like college when you're a junior and senior in high school)....anyway, my main point earlier was that there are two kinds of schools in the 1A classification....type 1: traditional public high schools in rural areas, where their talent pool is taken from a whole county, or one corner of the county with anywhere from just under 100 students to 600-700 students....type 2: public charter schools where students have to apply to get in, and each grade level is capped at 100 or 125 or 150, so total enrollment would have put them at 1A numbers, but their talent pool is anywhere in the state of NC, if they provide their own transportation...type 1 & type 2 schools can play each other and all in the regular season and scrimmages...but no one will ever convince me that it is right that they get clumped in the same playoff brackets, just because the school enrollment numbers are in the same ball park....huge difference in playing with who lives in the county vs being able to pick and choose who gets in to the school from not just the community where the school is located but the surrounding communities where county lines or city limit lines or district lines within a county or city are not in play....one rumor I've heard for the next realignment cycle is that the state MIGHT have a separate class just for charter schools....while still allowing split conferences where charters can be in conference with their local traditional public schools but be in the playoffs with only other charter schools.....I really hope they do adopt this model
You missed a few things in charters and publics. I have been yelling about the oncoming issue with charters for over a dozen years and it is here now. As much of a problem as that is and can be do not forget the 1A parochial school, urban magnet schools and open enrollment systems that have 1A schools. Huge issue! Personally, 1A should have a rule with a few stated exceptions that requires an athlete to live in the district of the school where he plays sports.
Do charters not go by the 25 mile distance rule? In order to play on the sports team the athlete must live within 25 miles of the school?
Do charters not go by the 25 mile distance rule? In order to play on the sports team the athlete must live within 25 miles of the school?
Look no further than the 1A state baseball champion last season for a fairly new charter school that loaded up on players.
How about one charter where every player on one team comes from a local 3A school. Does that hamper the 3A school and if they los the majority of their players is it fair for them to play 3A? If every player comes from the same 3A school does it make sense the charter school plays 1A?
One charter has students from six counties I know for sure and have been told there are students from three other counties. I cannot confirm the other three but it would not be a drastic geographical assumption.
How about one charter where every player on one team comes from a local 3A school. Does that hamper the 3A school and if they los the majority of their players is it fair for them to play 3A? If every player comes from the same 3A school does it make sense the charter school plays 1A?
One charter has students from six counties I know for sure and have been told there are students from three other counties. I cannot confirm the other three but it would not be a drastic geographical assumption.
I'm not sure about a 25 mile distance rule....I have heard something like that for the private Catholic schools but had not heard that for charters....but nevertheless, like you said, even if there is a 25 mile rule, being able to ignore county lines and such give the charters a huge advantage over schools who are bound by more rigid district lines....and also, like you mentioned, (not sure what they can do about this), it's not about simple enrollment numbers, but yes, I've heard of cases where a group of players in such and such sport will go to a school together....of course this can also happen at traditional public schools if they live in a county with policies in place that make it easier to not go to the school where you would otherwise be assigned based on geography, but they still must meet some kind of requirement, like live in the county, or their parent works at a school in the county, or they moved but the old address is still on file, or they are classified as a McKinney-Vento student (anybody that's never heard of this that cares, please look it up online), and if there is a 25 mile rule, that's definitely a parameter they must follow, but again, not nearly as rigid...hoping the state will give them their own class for playoffs soon
Yes, I have no problem with them having teams, just with them competing in the playoffs (and for state championships) with true 1A schools, whose pool to draw from is limited by county lines, or district lines within the county
Mountain Island Charter. Does not seem to have any issues getting players in. They had them come in after freshman year and they did not have to sit 365 which I question.
I believe the 365 rule went away a year or three ago....I believe you now get ONE 'get out of jail free card' for a transfer after you start your 8 semesters of potential high school eligibility, then I believe you do have to sit 365 if you want a second transfer
That rule was put in place last school year but what I was referencing was before that. The explanation was the students moved into the district but charters school do not have a district.
I agree. I think they should have to compete up one level at least. It is a major advantage to have no district lines. Only exception is where students have to go through a lottery to get in. When it is a true lottery and not an interview process, you are stuck with the luck of the draw in the students who get in. When we voted years ago to make charters and privates have their own athletic association, not enough schools voted. So, they are stuck in the NCHSAA, and keep winning 1A titles. It will happen soon enough in football as well as it has in basketball and baseball, and wrestling.
Somewhat true. Most public charters get the funding amount per pupil allotted by the state. So, they are publicly funded. Teachers are also payed through state funds. Private schools are the effort to end public education. If a parent has the cash and resources to send their kids to private school, that's there peroggative. In Urban areas Charter schools are the epitome of white flight from the public school system.
I drove past Jones county back 5-6 years ago and it looked like a food lion size building. Is that the new school and how small has it gotten. Jones played in the state title not long ago, is it savable?
That was the old building. The new building is in its first class this year. The old building used to be called "The Matchbox." I don't know how much bigger the new building is, but it does house EVERY public student in the county, K-12. But my god, that is a poor county.
I'm not entirely sure that's the case. I am not a rich man, so sending my kids to the best schools money can buy isn't an option. The wealthy have many options, but those without money and privilege have one public option. Charter schools are competition for traditional public schools, but I don't think the purpose is to put traditional public schools out of business. It's supposed to be an incentive to raise the bar. I was glad my child had an opportunity to meet with both schools and her prospective teachers at both. They were each making the case for why my child would succeed in their school. That approach to education makes a lot of sense to me.
The big picture some are missing is that Charter Schools are the first step in privatizing education.
That's not a good thing.
That's not a good thing.
I think there are certainly instances where this could be the case. I'm glad it doesn't appear that way at my daughter's school. The leadership of WPA is racially diverse and the student body reflects the racial profile of our community. There are three private schools in Wilson County that may be more representative of white flight, not to mention the home schoolers. Each charter school is its own unique case, so making blanket statements about charters doesn't seem quite fair.
Private education has existed for decades. Providing alternative public education may disrupt the old model, but perhaps it needed the shakeup. Everyone warns about the slippery slope, but sometimes its not the first step, but rather just A step.
JR
We lost a state title to a charter in wrestling. This charter was a yr old school i think.
They had 11 state ranked wrestlers the year we won state. Thats more than the anyone else had. It took Robbinsville decades to build a great wrestling program. This Charter start out great. How is that? The use the lottery also,?
Ive heard they dont use a lottery until they are full but either way the lottery is working out really well for some schools.
We lost a state title to a charter in wrestling. This charter was a yr old school i think.
They had 11 state ranked wrestlers the year we won state. Thats more than the anyone else had. It took Robbinsville decades to build a great wrestling program. This Charter start out great. How is that? The use the lottery also,?
Ive heard they dont use a lottery until they are full but either way the lottery is working out really well for some schools.
JR how about all schools follow the same rules. If not then play with schools with the same rules. Seems fair. Are you ok with fair?
Charter schools were started in NorthCarolina with the purpose of not only providing an alternative to traditional schools, but also to act as an incubator for innovation and new educational methods. Those were then to be shared with traditional schools for their inclusion.
When is the last time you heard of a traditional school being given the freedom that charter schools have? People want to compare the educational outcomes, but the playing field is very unlevel.
Additionally, in my opinion, not one penny of tax money should ever go to for profit “public schools”. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with making money, but taxpayers shouldn’t subsidize for profit education.
Yes, and SURELY no school would EVER rig the lottery to favor students who might be really good at a certain sport #Sarcasm
So lets see what innovation and new educational methods they have..Teachers without a teaching certificate,no school buses, no school lunches.So are you in favor of that?Charter schools are for-profit schools
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I think I'm going to peace out on this charter school discussion. It obvious that there are pluses and minuses to charter schools. Some schools have unfairly benefited from the freedoms that the model provides, but I don't think its a blanket indictment on the entire idea. I am happy my kids have choices.
I think you may have misunderstood my post.
The things you mention are not the innovations. They were the “burdens” schools were supposedly freed from so that they could spend their time and efforts on innovation and better educational outcomes. That’s the legislature talking, not me. I think those “freedoms” result in that very unlevel playing field I mentioned. It also means that some parents can’t access schools that don’t offer meals or transportation.
Some charters are diverse, but many are virtually all white or all black. So simply a desegregation of public schools.
Not all charter schools are for profit. I’m simply saying that those that are for profit are no different than private schools. I don’t think either should receive taxpayer money.
As far as athletics, that’s a whole different ball of wax. I’m much more concerned about the intentional academic erosion of our traditional public schools.
The things you mention are not the innovations. They were the “burdens” schools were supposedly freed from so that they could spend their time and efforts on innovation and better educational outcomes. That’s the legislature talking, not me. I think those “freedoms” result in that very unlevel playing field I mentioned. It also means that some parents can’t access schools that don’t offer meals or transportation.
Some charters are diverse, but many are virtually all white or all black. So simply a desegregation of public schools.
Not all charter schools are for profit. I’m simply saying that those that are for profit are no different than private schools. I don’t think either should receive taxpayer money.
As far as athletics, that’s a whole different ball of wax. I’m much more concerned about the intentional academic erosion of our traditional public schools.
You obviously did not understand what he wrote. He made one of the best posts ever on the topic and he obviously has concerns.