What could possibly make you think they aren’t better just check the scores from last year to this year against the same teams you’ll find real quick that the offense is playing on a completely different level.
1aa Top Three is better than 2a Top Three?
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East Surry definitely has the ponies to run with Tarboro. But, can they stop the Vikings? And can Boaz and Gosnell run wild on a real defense?
What makes you think Tarboros defense has fell off so much that East Surry is all of a sudden capable of torching Tarboro?
Big scores and flashy offense sells tickets, and generates buzz, but defense wins championships.
I didn’t say they have fallen off at all but if they shut down this offense they have the best defense in state history!!
We’ll I hope we get another chance to play y’all. I’m sure both Tarboro and Edenton would both be honored to play against the best offense NC HS sports history.
I’m not saying that but if you keep them from scoring a single touchdown then I highly doubt that there has ever been a defense at the 1A level that dominant!
Are you guys trying to imply that the ES offense did a complete 180 from last year and are doing something completely new? Because I don't see how else you could think that they can hang with Tarboro this time around, when the same team barely got 1st downs, much less a single touchdown, in the CHAMPIONSHIP game. They were at their best then. So, did they just make a 100% improvement? Cause let me tell you, coming from a team this year that was averaging over 50ppg only to manage 7 against Tarboro... Tarboro's defense is better than last year's.
No 180 no change in scheme, total change in production the numbers that are being put up are far greater than last season about 20 more ppg! Reidsville is every bit as athletic as Tarboro and they couldn’t keep up. I do not think East Surry will stop Tarboro’s run game and I believe this game will be a total shootout!
Check East Carterets offensive numbers in 2016 and then look and see what they did against Tarboro.
I remember that team and they didn’t have half the talent that this East Surry team does. This will be the best team Tarboro has seen since they lost to Wallace Rose Hill last!!
tarboro will run the ball and controls the clock if they play. It’ll come down to tarboro getting a couple of 3 and outs to get the lead. If they do that game over. If they get behind es will win
Agreed 100% if East comes out scoring Tarboro will be hard pressed to keep up. However if Tarboro gets an early lead they will control the ball and East might never catch up.
They saw them last year 50-10 remember a blowout and Per sources this is the fasted team In the history of Tarboros program
Did the ES defense have a massive improvement on defense too? Because now you're saying that if tarboro gets behind, that they'll be hard pressed to keep up. Have you not researched that team's scoring output for the past 3 seasons? Forgot about what they just did to ES last year? Shoot, why wouldn't they be able to keep up when they are just as offensively stout as the team that ES couldn't stop last week? Reidsville got outscored. They didn't get stopped.
I'm just not understanding the idea that the huge gap between team A and team B is now gone when, even though B got better, so did A. And I HATE Tarboro. Rivals. But come on. Don't hang your hat on beating Reidsville. Tarboro is better than ES. ES just beat Reidsville. So maybe Reidsville is good enough to win 2A, but not 1AA.
I'm just not understanding the idea that the huge gap between team A and team B is now gone when, even though B got better, so did A. And I HATE Tarboro. Rivals. But come on. Don't hang your hat on beating Reidsville. Tarboro is better than ES. ES just beat Reidsville. So maybe Reidsville is good enough to win 2A, but not 1AA.
Man I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m agreeing with card. Jeez this sux. If East can’t put up those numbers against Reidsville then they can put up those numbers against tarboro. They can’t defend apparently but in a shootout can anyone out score them. Defense wins championships as long as you can score more points. I’m not saying East wins but this apparently is a different East Surry team. It’s not like Reidsville is down this year.
Ummm, maybe not but a good Murphy beats most. Not taking away from what East just accomplished, I’m impressed, everyone else is impressed. You have a great team this year( I know you told us, but most of your chirping didn’t hold water till now, that’s on you).
Thank you all year long the consensus was if East Surry could go into Reidsville and come out with a win (a feat that hasn’t been accomplished by anyone in about 6 years) they would be neck and neck with Tarboro. Now that it has happened everyone is crying Reidsville is down? This is coming from some of the same people that said East would lose by 3 or 4 scores before the game was played.
I'll be honest... the questions I was asking were legit questions, because I really didnt know the answers. But after comparing ES this season to last, I have to agree that they are, so far, playing head above heels better than they did last year. Vastly improved PF and PA. Looks good from what I actually sat down to gather. Still rolling with my county brethren in Tarboro, but I can clearly see why ES followers are optimistic.
I’ve seen both teams play this year while I only saw Tarboro for one half against Rocky Mount due to the rain cancellation. I will say from what I’ve seen this years game can go either way. But a blowout of any sort is absurd to think this season. I watched all 3 title games last year at Carter Finley and I believe Tarboro was the 3rd best team there behind Shelby and Reidsville but better than either of the teams that they played. Can’t base everything off of last year though because after watching those games I’d have said East Surry didn’t belong on the field with Reidsville this year and they clearly do.
Tarboro and East Surry will be close in my eyes. Tarboro has some things going for them they will chew up the clock and not likely get in a shootout with East. Also I'm sure Tarboro coaches will double Gosnell something Reidsville failed to do, for some odd reason.
I'm pretty sure Tarboro did face such a beast last year. The QB left the game in the 4th with an injury as I recall.
This is why we play the games to answer all the above questions. It will come down to the fundamentals of tackling, blocking, running, passing, catching and defense. Whoever works the hardest and wants it the most. No team is entitled they must earn it.
Everybody talking about Tarboro and East Surry. The fact that Holmes, Swain and Polk are undefeated is going unnoticed... If East Surry got caught looking ahead to the title game, they would likely go home thanks to the Maroon Machine. Swain is most dangerous team in 1aa. Why? Because their record doesn't matter. A 5-6 Swain plays like a 11-0 team in November and December.
My hat is off to ES for that win at Reidsville! What I saw was an improved ES team playing with a lot of swag. Also I saw Reidsville make no adjustments to ES. They played one on one press coverage all night on the rec. with no over the top help. You can't play ES that way! Also they kicked the ball to Gosnell all night and he caught it on the run at the 10-15 yd line. So there starting field position was mostly around 40-45 yd line. I was very puzzled at the lack of adjustments. ES defense was soft up the middle on the run. IF a Tarboro / ES rematch happens it will be a close game. A lot can happen between now and then injuries being the main thing.
I agree. Holmes is no slouch. I think it’s crazy to have all of this hypothetical talk.
When is the last time the same schools have been in the championship game in back to back years? It doesn’t happen often. A lot of things could happen between now and December
I would agree that the teams you mention are flying under the radar right now. I don't think Tarboro fans are sleeping on Holmes after a commanding victory over Northeastern last week. I do have to take a little exception with your analysis of Swain. The Maroon hasn't gotten past the second round of the playoffs since 2014. It would be nice to see them come back into the form we all remember historically, but 5 years is a long time.
You might want to watch both teams play this season before you make statements like that. Otherwise you’ll be eating crow with all the guys who said the cards stood no chance against Reidsville.
I asked a simple question, what is different besides Gosnell? If there is no answer to that, than maybe we need to look at Reidsville and how they didn't account for him like other posters have expressed.
I'm glad I'm not crazy. Me being a Reidsville fan its great that someone else expressed this. I could understand early on trying what we tried. But I figured an adjustment would come at some point. East still would have scored a lot of points, but I don't think it would have been 55.
ES's offensive line is improved since last year. In the championship game they couldn't keep Tarboro's DT's out of the backfield. You watch the film they did a great job against Reidsville. The QB had a lot of time to survey the field. Those diving catches 12 made in the endzone were nearly unstoppable no matter how good your secondary is.
Thanks, at least that's an answer. I would expect Tarboro will hit the receiver from the snap to throw the timing off with the QB. The video I saw Gosnells was given a free release for the majority of the game with no safety help.
Why do you think Gosnell is different? He was on the team last year. If he has improved enough for you to say it’s a difference why can’t the rest of the team?
Also Stevens from easy Surry finished the game with 130+ receiving yards and a TD with Reidsvilles best athlete on him all night yes Gosnell was the best player on the field but if you over adjust there are too many other weapons on the field for East that can beat you as well!!
East does have other weapons, never said they didn't. But I'd just take my chances on everyone else. Gosnell absolutely killed us. Reidsville had some other athletes they could have put in secondary like number 2 at corner and 11 at safety to help out.
Yes the other receivers are good! The key is putting pressure on the QB with the young men up front.
Surprised that Rocky Mount and South Point just a couple of seasons ago slipped your mind, unless you were just referring to 1A. Rocky Mount won the first one, while SP won the rematch. So it's certainly possible to have the tables turned, although RM wasn't as dominant as Tarboro has been.