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Watching TN vs IN, TN seems to be lacking continuity and look to be playing as 5 individuals. Not sure if that is fixable with the roster they have.
 
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I wish we would get her but to me, reading the tea leaves, she is going to Stanford most likely. It will be a big result of NIL actually. She just signed with Nike and Stanford is a Nike school. We are Under Armor. I am not sure how that would work that she is with Nike and would have to wear Under Armor here. That is about to really muddy waters with NIL and players. I think NIL should be off limits to "brands" that schools use.
Makes sense
 

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Makes sense
I still thinks she stays out west but don’t think her signing with Nike means that she has to pick a Nike school. Henny had an endorsement with Reebok. I think she just has to promote Nike on her own time. It would seem to really muddy the waters if Nike can tell a high school recruit that they have to choose a Nike school. Why would she even bother visiting if she knew she would not be able to go here. She signed the deal before her visit. I will still be shocked if she chooses us but don’t think the Nike deal is a deal breaker.
 

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Rivers has been one of the first off the bench all 3 games the Pack has played. Played 20/22 mins respectively the first two. Not sure why she didn’t play in the 2nd half yesterday. Her ten minutes played were all in one check in. I doubt she’s in Moore’s dog house but we’ll see how she’s utilized Wednesday when they play UNCC.
I read on NC State board that she had a nagging shoulder injury
 

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I wish we would get her but to me, reading the tea leaves, she is going to Stanford most likely. It will be a big result of NIL actually. She just signed with Nike and Stanford is a Nike school. We are Under Armor. I am not sure how that would work that she is with Nike and would have to wear Under Armor here. That is about to really muddy waters with NIL and players. I think NIL should be off limits to "brands" that schools use.
Sure she may choose Stanford but it won't be because of the Nike deal. Azzi Fudd has a deal with Under Armour but she plays for UConn a Nike school. You reap the benefits of the brand deal based on what you do off the court.

One thing worth considering is that Stanford added 2 guards last season and just signed 2 more, with a possible 3rd (Hannah Hidalgo)commiting tomorrow. I can see her chosing any of the 3 schools but I would be shocked if she chooses to go cross country.
 

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I had my questions about Rickea Jackson coming into the season. Would the Vols be as good at defensive and rebounding with her in the lineup as they were last year? So far the answer is no.

There is still plenty of time for the team to mesh, so I'm not writing them off. Probably should have scheduled more bunnies to begin the season to work in the new players.
 

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Looks like Chloe Kitts started a trend and perhaps she won't play this season like this Oregon recruit.
 

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I still thinks she stays out west but don’t think her signing with Nike means that she has to pick a Nike school. Henny had an endorsement with Reebok. I think she just has to promote Nike on her own time. It would seem to really muddy the waters if Nike can tell a high school recruit that they have to choose a Nike school. Why would she even bother visiting if she knew she would not be able to go here. She signed the deal before her visit. I will still be shocked if she chooses us but don’t think the Nike deal is a deal breaker.
nm (y)
 

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I, of course would have liked to have the No. 1 Recruit as a cherry on top, but we still have a great class.

From watching her answer to the question of why Southern Cal, I couldn't tell if she was happy or second guessing her decision. I'm sure there was a lot of pressure from the home town folks to stay home. Either way good luck to Watkins outside of any potential match up with us!

JuJu Watkins
 

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LSU is 4-0 averaging 111ppg

There are 369 teams ranked by RPI in D-1 WBB
The four teams LSU has played were last year ranked
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336
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Combined record for last year 22-80
You really have to work hard to schedule that type of talent

Upcoming Opponent/victim #5 was ranked 317
 
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LSU is 4-0 averaging 111ppg

There are 369 teams ranked by RPI in D-1 WBB
The four teams LSU has played were last year ranked
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You really have to work hard to schedule that type of talent
Mulkey claims she made that schedule because she didn't know she was going to get Angel Reese yet. In no way should a power 5 should be playing this schedule, with or without Reese. They also play all but two games in the non-conference at home too.
 

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Mulkey claims she made that schedule because she didn't know she was going to get Angel Reese yet. In no way should a power 5 should be playing this schedule, with or without Reese. They also play all but two games in the non-conference at home too.
And one of the “away” games is VS Tulane in New Orleans
 

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Mulkey claims she made that schedule because she didn't know she was going to get Angel Reese yet. In no way should a power 5 should be playing this schedule, with or without Reese. They also play all but two games in the non-conference at home too.
Agree, Angel Reese shouldn’t have impacted their scheduling process at all! 😎
 

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Clemson preview

The taterettes were a hot mess last year and we beat them by 31 points. Par for the course, we have won the last 11 and the average margin has been 27 points. They lost their 2 best players in the middle of the season, one transferred, the other just quit.

They are better this year but that was a low bar to surpass. Amanda Butler teams are generally well coached, especially on D, physical and scrappy. We will win by 30-40 but it will be an ugly game and probably painful to watch.
This team is TERRIBLE in protecting the ball.
THEY HAD 34 TURNOVERS VS Gardener Webb and average 24 a game against bad competition

Personnel
Post players Amara Robinson 6’0” and Hannah Hank 6’2” are strong and get the most out of their talent. They are also “bulky” , slow and not tall enough to deal with our bigs. Robinson is effective on O and will surprise y’all. Depth is young, a little taller, but not brimming with talent

There is talent on the perimeter Fr Ruby Whitehorn was #15 national recruit. She has scored double digits in 3 of 4 games. Soph. Kionna Gaines a top 50 recruit. Three transfers Daisha Bradford played for them last year and averaged 10ppg. Ale’jah Douglas was 1st All American in JUCO last year. PG Brie Perpignan played for Elon last year, 16.6 ppg and led her conference in assists 7apg. She actually had a good game against us last year. Maddie Ott is a 3 pt specialist.

I think they stick around for a quarter or so on D and determination. But eventually they crumble. I want to see Whitehorn play she appears to be the real deal. Also I think will be telling to see how our Fr. and bench play and it helps DS decide rotation Sunday against Stanford.
 

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According to ESPN we have the #2 class.

I think most scouts would agree that Fulwiley and Kitts are better offensively than defensively. Same could probably be said about Johnson, but I haven't followed her recruiting as closely. Jah seems like the designated defender/rebounder (Lele comes to mind.) I can't name many players under Dawn that were better on the offensive end than the defensive. We can't even say that about the legends -- Aja & Aliyah. Some names that come to mind: Destanni, Kiki. Saxton, since she's so good at offensive rebounding. Of course, the 2020-21 team with all three of those players was Dawn's most balanced. I foresee a more balanced team in a couple of years.

As I said before, I don't care how we win as long as we win. Just pointing out we may win in a different way in a few years.
 

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Dunk was incredible! Questions for after the game, is Johnson OK after leaving the game early, and why didn’t Feagin get minutes outside if the 4th quarter?
 

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Dunk was incredible! Questions for after the game, is Johnson OK after leaving the game early, and why didn’t Feagin get minutes outside if the 4th quarter?
I am stressing about Feagin not getting minutes! I love her game and do not want her to feel the need to transfer ❤️❤️❤️
 
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Dunk was incredible! Questions for after the game, is Johnson OK after leaving the game early, and why didn’t Feagin get minutes outside if the 4th quarter?
I didn't get the impression Johnson left early. She played 20 minutes. 2nd most on team. 12 more than Fletcher.

Unfortunate about Feagin, but Watkins seems to have passed her in the rotation. There are only so many post minutes to go around. LA is already exclusively playing on the perimeter. Watkins is delivering.

Once we get past Stanford, the noncon schedule gets a lot easier. I would expect to see more of Feagin then. Right now I get the impression Dawn has been prepping for Stanford and she doesn't see Feagin being a factor in that game.
 

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Can’t wait to see the 11 freshmen that are better than Ashlyn Watkins
I was thinking the exact same thing!

Saw some of Janiah Barker against Duke and thought she looked good but wasn't blown away. To be fair, Watkins plays with much better players around her. At the same time, Ashlynn would be a double-double machine on almost any team, given 30+ minutes of play.
 

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Just saw where #4 Iowa lost last night to K-State 84-83.
Also Caitlin Clark was hurt (ankle?) on last play of the game and had to helped off the court.
 

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A little early but here it is

Stanford preview

Stanford is one of the handful teams that have a chance against us. They are the only team that can match our height and frontcourt depth.

They start 6’4” Cameron Brink and 6’3” Kiki Iriafen (ear e ah fen)They bring off the bench 6’5” Ashton Prechtel, 6’7” Lauren Betts and 6’1” Dunking Fran Belibi. Brink is reigning DPOY in PAC12, Iriafen is a starter after being buried on the bench as a Fr. No one else in the country comes this close to us. Belibi is their version of Watkins. Prechtel is tough and a good 3 pt shooter. Betts is the National Top recruit.

They have a superstar in Haley Jones. A 3pt terror in Hannah Jump 58%. Point Guard.... as our Mr Wellbaum often and articulately reminds us, its all about PG!! They have started 2 Fr., Talana Lepolo and Agnes Emma Nnopu. Neither really score and Lepolo has an excellent 3:1 assists to turnover ratio. Doesn’t really matter, in crunch possessions the ball will in Haley Jones’ hands.

If you compare stats, we are pretty close to mirror images with a few notable exceptions. They shot better and more often from 3pt than we do. They have more 3pt shooters than we do. They only turn the ball over 11 times a game. We are at 20. WE GOTTA PROTECT THE EFFING BALL!!

Their schedule so far is very weak. Maryland is better than anyone they have played, shockingly I think Clemson is also(but that could be my east coast bias). Last year Stanford fell apart in the 3rd quarter. The CLA crowd was amazing!! Go fams. Maples will not be that intimidating.

Stanford runs an offense that is both difficult to master for its own players and difficult to defend. This is our third game in three years. I think DS has cracked the code.

I expect a close four quarter game. The game will be in the 60’s unless it is a surprise blowout. We are in my opinion better and more athletic but by a small margin. They are a better shooting team.

1. Protect the ball
2. Wear Haley Jones out. Make her work hard on D.
3. Rebound, rebound, rebound. Stanford out rebounded us solidly in the first half last year. Cannot let that happen
4. Go down low early and often. Brink is a good defender but cannot handle Boston or Cardoso’s heft and strength. She will have to have double team help and she is foul prone.
5. Deny their O access to the high post elbow. It is the spot on the floor from where they run the O most effectively
 

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Some observations from looking at the advanced stats:

-- Ashlyn Watkins' player efficiency rating (PER) is 7 points higher than Aliyah Boston (who led the nation in that stat last season) and over twice Saxton's PER. Watkins' defensive efficiency rating is higher than Beal's. Obviously, it's a small sample size and I don't expect her to maintain that all year. Nevertheless, coach can't ignore that a player is performing that well, no matter her age, and she has been rewarding Watkins with playing time. All the focus on her dunk shouldn't take away from her all-around game, especially defensively. Her ability to switch on to just about any opposing player on the court makes our team defense better.

-- Zia and Brea are play much better offensively, through 3 games anyway, than last year. I think Dawn said something about seniors playing like seniors. Right now they are performing like players who have started a gazillion college games.

-- The concern, not surprisingly, is Raven/Fletcher/Hall/Cooper. We knew it would take a while for them to settle into their roles. I think Dawn gave Thompson some run against Clemson to see if she could make a case for more playing time. Out of all the possibilities, the advance stats suggest Raven's defense makes her the best option. She played 20 minutes against Clemson. Had some ice on her knee at the end of the game. Nothing serious, I don't think. It just makes me wonder how much playing time she's get against Stanford, even if she plays well.

A little early but here it is

Stanford preview

Stanford is one of the handful teams that have a chance against us. They are the only team that can match our height and frontcourt depth.

They start 6’4” Cameron Brink and 6’3” Kiki Iriafen (ear e ah fen)They bring off the bench 6’5” Ashton Prechtel, 6’7” Lauren Betts and 6’1” Dunking Fran Belibi. Brink is reigning DPOY in PAC12, Iriafen is a starter after being buried on the bench as a Fr. No one else in the country comes this close to us. Belibi is their version of Watkins. Prechtel is tough and a good 3 pt shooter. Betts is the National Top recruit.

They have a superstar in Haley Jones. A 3pt terror in Hannah Jump 58%. Point Guard.... as our Mr Wellbaum often and articulately reminds us, its all about PG!! They have started 2 Fr., Talana Lepolo and Agnes Emma Nnopu. Neither really score and Lepolo has an excellent 3:1 assists to turnover ratio. Doesn’t really matter, in crunch possessions the ball will in Haley Jones’ hands.

If you compare stats, we are pretty close to mirror images with a few notable exceptions. They shot better and more often from 3pt than we do. They have more 3pt shooters than we do. They only turn the ball over 11 times a game. We are at 20. WE GOTTA PROTECT THE EFFING BALL!!

Their schedule so far is very weak. Maryland is better than anyone they have played, shockingly I think Clemson is also(but that could be my east coast bias). Last year Stanford fell apart in the 3rd quarter. The CLA crowd was amazing!! Go fams. Maples will not be that intimidating.

Stanford runs an offense that is both difficult to master for its own players and difficult to defend. This is our third game in three years. I think DS has cracked the code.

I expect a close four quarter game. The game will be in the 60’s unless it is a surprise blowout. We are in my opinion better and more athletic but by a small margin. They are a better shooting team.

1. Protect the ball
2. Wear Haley Jones out. Make her work hard on D.
3. Rebound, rebound, rebound. Stanford out rebounded us solidly in the first half last year. Cannot let that happen
4. Go down low early and often. Brink is a good defender but cannot handle Boston or Cardoso’s heft and strength. She will have to have double team help and she is foul prone.
5. Deny their O access to the high post elbow. It is the spot on the floor from where they run the O most effectively
Excellent analysis. I would add that Stanford had a hell of a time defending Zia when she was a sophomore and they had Kiana Williams and Anna Wilson. I have no idea how they match up against her Sunday. Tara doesn't like to play zone, but it might be her best option.

Haley Jones has been in a shooting slump and the competition hasn't been very stiff. She's only shooting 12% from 3. I'm guessing Brea gets the assignment in hopes of preventing Jones from muscling inside and getting shots close to the basket.

If Hannah Jump gets an open look and you hear a loud noise, that's me screaming at the TV. We just can't leave her alone. Ever. Normally, Zia gets the assignment against the opposing teams 3 point shooter. She has the ability to fight through screens. LA played some 2 guard against Clemson, so maybe the plan is to use her size against Jump. I'm sure the coaching staff has a plan. **fingers crossed**

A week ago I would have picked Stanford to win the game, tbh. I feel a bit better now with the way Zia and Brea are playing. The interior is probably going to be a wash, so the perimeter players may decide this game. Go Cocks!
 

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Some observations from looking at the advanced stats:

-- Ashlyn Watkins' player efficiency rating (PER) is 7 points higher than Aliyah Boston (who led the nation in that stat last season) and over twice Saxton's PER. Watkins' defensive efficiency rating is higher than Beal's. Obviously, it's a small sample size and I don't expect her to maintain that all year. Nevertheless, coach can't ignore that a player is performing that well, no matter her age, and she has been rewarding Watkins with playing time. All the focus on her dunk shouldn't take away from her all-around game, especially defensively. Her ability to switch on to just about any opposing player on the court makes our team defense better.

-- Zia and Brea are play much better offensively, through 3 games anyway, than last year. I think Dawn said something about seniors playing like seniors. Right now they are performing like players who have started a gazillion college games.

-- The concern, not surprisingly, is Raven/Fletcher/Hall/Cooper. We knew it would take a while for them to settle into their roles. I think Dawn gave Thompson some run against Clemson to see if she could make a case for more playing time. Out of all the possibilities, the advance stats suggest Raven's defense makes her the best option. She played 20 minutes against Clemson. Had some ice on her knee at the end of the game. Nothing serious, I don't think. It just makes me wonder how much playing time she's get against Stanford, even if she plays well.


Excellent analysis. I would add that Stanford had a hell of a time defending Zia when she was a sophomore and they had Kiana Williams and Anna Wilson. I have no idea how they match up against her Sunday. Tara doesn't like to play zone, but it might be her best option.

Haley Jones has been in a shooting slump and the competition hasn't been very stiff. She's only shooting 12% from 3. I'm guessing Brea gets the assignment in hopes of preventing Jones from muscling inside and getting shots close to the basket.

If Hannah Jump gets an open look and you hear a loud noise, that's me screaming at the TV. We just can't leave her alone. Ever. Normally, Zia gets the assignment against the opposing teams 3 point shooter. She has the ability to fight through screens. LA played some 2 guard against Clemson, so maybe the plan is to use her size against Jump. I'm sure the coaching staff has a plan. **fingers crossed**

A week ago I would have picked Stanford to win the game, tbh. I feel a bit better now with the way Zia and Brea are playing. The interior is probably going to be a wash, so the perimeter players may decide this game. Go Cocks!
As always enjoy your insights and sharing deep stats. I think Jones gets a full dose of Beal and Amihere. I don’t think they have the physical strength down low to hold up. Height yes, strength NO!
 
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Watching NC State - UConn and find it interesting that Wes Moore is basically utilizing Rivers exactly like we did. She is running the point when Johnson doesn’t have the ball. Didn’t she say her reason for leaving was bc she didn’t like how she was utilized here? 🤔
 

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Some observations on the Stanford game:

-- We won because of defense and depth. The Cardinal scored 7 points in the 4th quarter. SEVEN. Dawn moved Zia to the point. Breezy, Amihere and Brea bringing the ball pressure. Just a great defensive effort. Congrats to coach for finding the lineup that worked and sticking with them.

-- Haley Jones was 1-13 after the 1st half. I'm not sure how much of that was adjustments we made or simply fatigue on her part. They really ask her to do a lot. WIthout Lexi Hull, they don't have many players who can create their own shot; at least against us anyway.

-- Saxton played 18 minutes. She had ZERO rebounds. Watkins played 4 minutes and had 3 rebounds. Saxton started the game we went down 10. The team clawed it's way back to down 4 at the half. We were down 8 when Saxton left in the 3rd and she didn't return. Somehow Amihere, Feagin and Watkins need some more playing time. It's early. I guess we'll see how the rotation is at the end of the season, when it matters most.

-- Cardoso struggles defensively away from the basket. Just not a good matchup her for her today. She'll have better days.
 

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In one way it was pretty simple: Stanford collapsed on Boston, daring our guards to make them stop. We didn't in the first half, Boston got into foul trouble, and Cooke was invisible. Stanford had their way with us before halftime. In the 2nd half, they extended their lead to 10 pts by the start of the 4th period, but Boston scored 12 of her 14 pts and 10 of her 13 boards after halftime, and Cooke scored all of her 13 pts after halftime, and we clawed our way back into the game. Stanford shot 54% in the 1st half, but only shot 29% in regulation after the half, and 31% total for 2nd half + OT. We out-scored them 45-36 after halftime....

Turnovers and pts off turnovers played a huge role in the game, as it has for the now past 3 games we've played Stanford: in the 2021 NCAA Final Four, Stanford beat us by 1 pt, and won the pts off turnovers battle 11-10 - by 1 point. Interesting, isn't it?

In the last 2 games we've played Stanford - both wins for us - we've won the pts off turnovers battle 26-6 and 18-9.

We can match Stanford offensively, as long as our players are in the game. Defensively, we have the decided advantage over Stanford, and if so we should come out on top. But the last 3 games have been won by a total of 11 points, or an average of 3.7 ppg, so both teams are as evenly matched as two teams can be right now.

Our bench however were heroes in today's game, when we needed them to be with Boston and Cooke struggling in the 1st half: they out-scored Stanford's bench 34-9, with the majority of that coming before halftime. If it weren't for that production, there never would've been an overtime.....
 

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I said this last season, but these are the two best teams in the country when it comes to all phases of the game and composition. I will be surprised these two don't meet again in the Final Four or Title game. There will be no Paige to spoiler that this year. Because lets face it, we match up soo much better with Uconn. Stanford the last 3 years can not only match our physicality, but also our rebounding. It's a fun rivalry.
 

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Watching NC State - UConn and find it interesting that Wes Moore is basically utilizing Rivers exactly like we did. She is running the point when Johnson doesn’t have the ball. Didn’t she say her reason for leaving was bc she didn’t like how she was utilized here? 🤔
I may be way off base but I think Rivers left at least partially due to number 22. She wore that number in high school and now at NC State. Last year she wore number 44 for us. Just a theory.
 

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I may be way off base but I think Rivers left at least partially due to number 22. She wore that number in high school and now at NC State. Last year she wore number 44 for us. Just a theory.
I’m sure it was multiple things. I really think she just wanted more playing time but she would have gotten that here this year. Oh well I hate we lost her but it would be an even more crowded bench.
 
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Great insights!!!!

So much to learn and unpack from this game.

We won! Are we the better team?? Yes by about an inch but we got exposed in some ways I found worrisome and unexpected.

Questions/needs work
* Vandeveer makes better game plans than anybody in the country. Three games in a row she has knocked us on our *** in the first half. Not slowed us down, knocked us on our ***.
* As DarkCock noted Saxton was just nullified totally. We can live without her O but she has to rebound and play D. I was shocked by how physically overmatched she was by Iriafen. Brilliant strategy to put her on the block and Brink on the perimeter.
* We dump on Brink so much. Too whiny, too pretty, so dirty, so overrated. Well she kicked our *** yesterday. Showed why she is so highly regarded.
* 3pt shooting for us is always going to be, “Will it-show up today? And which shooter will it be?”.
We are better but NOBODY is game planning to stop our 3s.
* PG play. Raven and Kierra are really good BUT they are not physically or clutch game ready to direct a national championship game YET. They have 35 games to get ready. PLEASE EXPLAIN how we can go 45 minutes against Stanford with just 11 turnovers and turn it over 20 times against taters and terps.!!??
* Our Bench while best in the country has some weaknesses. This is situational not talent.
* HEY GUARDS, Stanford is tall and blocks shots!! They are not ETSU, Hampton or the taters. Don’t take that 5’7” weak *** crap on a wild foray down the lane.

Good news
* Yes, Tara May be the best game planner in the country, BUT dang if DS is not the best counterpuncher. She never panicked. She made adjustments, coached up her players and found what worked. She played the long game sitting Boston in the first half. Lots of coaches would have freaked and risked the third foul.
* We are really really mentally tough. Our mental toughness not just our depth and physicality wears teams out. Everybody was exhausted in OT, you saw it on the Stanford players faces, but not on ours. Only exception, REALLY V and Brea! Four free throws in a row. Stop that!
* Shocking, l know, yeah we got the best bench in the country.
LA is becoming a mad Kiki. She plays with determination, almost anger now. FIVE POSITIONS!!! She played all 5 positions yesterday! God I hope she comes back.
Watkins and Feagin are monsters. Both are stronger, taller, jump higher and better scorers than Saxton. Interesting to see how that position plays out over the season.
Bree Hall and Olivia T are fearless. “ HEY, last woman on the bench get in there! We are going to run a play for you first thing, knock down the three!” Got it coach! I mean what the..... Bree seems to get better in clutch situations.
* Boston and Cooke are killers.

Final note
Three games in a row Stanford has stepped in a fresh pile of steaming dog poo in the last 30 seconds of the game against us. What’s up with that?
Turn the ball over on the inbounds in the semi final
Lane violation and total brain cramp on the last inbounds play last year
5 second violation and time out call this year