I saw this on ESPN that this is the first week to enter the transfer portal and there are already 6000 transfers.
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The college football transfer portal window opened on December 5th, 2022 and closes 45 days later on January 18, 2023. There is also a 15-day period during the Spring, from May 1-15.
I saw it on ESPN Monday after you posted a reply I googled more information and that must be for all sports. That is still a lot of movement and not all of those athletes are finding a new home. I wonder if any of our transfers will end up following Scott Satterfield?
Let’s do the math. 130 FBS teams. 85 scholarship players per team. That’s 11,050 players. 6,000 have entered the portal. That’s almost 54% of all players. That’s crazy.
I am watching the ACC network this morning and they are reporting that 5,299 college football players have entered the transfer portal. They are also saying only 20% of them have found a new school. I guess that is good news for high school athletes.
Mack Brown of North Carolina says schools are paying players to leave schools for their schools He said they are being paid by the schools and the NCAA needs to on top of the situation. He said he also expects a lot of lawsuits in the near future.
This is what I saw as well, only about 1,000 have found new homes. That leaves about 4,000 hanging in limbo. Seems there could be some choice shopping opportunities there. Would be extremely interested to see what this looks like on the basketball side of things.
I’ve read that a few coaches are encouraging some of their own players to enter the Portal, knowing that there is a good chance they won’t be picked up by another team and then seeing their college sports careers basically end. The players aren’t told that their chances are limited, yet the coaches are seeing a way to open up their rosters for better athletes. The kids aren’t getting wise counsel in some cases, which is a shame.
I think that may have been in an article from the Indianapolis newspaper late last summer, don’t recall now.
I remember thinking that it seemed very unethical. The Portal is a ”pandora’s box” that wasn’t well-conceived before it was implemented.
I think that may have been in an article from the Indianapolis newspaper late last summer, don’t recall now.
I remember thinking that it seemed very unethical. The Portal is a ”pandora’s box” that wasn’t well-conceived before it was implemented.
I did this same exact calculation when I read the OP. Another way to look at it is 48 players per team transferring out on average.
Forty-eight (48!!!) per team! Truthfully this is hard to believe. I wonder if the 6000 includes FCS, Div II, Div III?
Since athletics grants-in-aid are only year to year, couldn’t they just not offer a GIA for the following year?
I think that would certainly be a possibility, Bean. Perhaps it’s an issue of “appearances” where a coach/staff feels it looks better if they “encourage“ a player to go into the Portal and see what happens?
My younger daughter was on a year-to-year scholarship for track and cross country a number of years ago at Samford. (Not Stanford) She knew she had to perform to be able to renew the scholarship each year and that served a useful purpose in motivating the team to excel both athletically and in the classroom.
My younger daughter was on a year-to-year scholarship for track and cross country a number of years ago at Samford. (Not Stanford) She knew she had to perform to be able to renew the scholarship each year and that served a useful purpose in motivating the team to excel both athletically and in the classroom.
The NCAA leadership (oxymoron) is 100% responsible for their negligence in allowing amateur status to evolve to where we are right now. On one hand, there was always UCLA, UK, UNLV and others who were literally paying cash to players and even buying tractors for the family of highly sought after recruits, something the enforcement and investigation arm of the NCAA was seldom capable of proving, much less punishing. On the other hand, the University Presidents refused to hold their organization responsible.
Not sure where all of this going, but as for me .... I quit contributing financially to my school (UL) several years ago, as I could see this going in an unacceptable direction. I still enjoy watching college as entertainment value, but sadly no where close to where I was a few decades ago. High School and AAU are heading in the same direction.
Not sure where all of this going, but as for me .... I quit contributing financially to my school (UL) several years ago, as I could see this going in an unacceptable direction. I still enjoy watching college as entertainment value, but sadly no where close to where I was a few decades ago. High School and AAU are heading in the same direction.
The genie isn’t going back in the bottle. I hate to tell you but everyone was handing money out not just UNLV, SMU or UK. It was all in the shadows. No one cared then so I am not sure why we care now.
The players in the main revenue generating sports have a legit claim. The NCAA held their position despite their revenues going through the roof. It was impossible to fairly regulate the payments in the shadows. It lead to uneven and unfair enforcement. Let’s be clear a level playing will never exist in the NCAA. Trying to regulate your way to be equal was stupid.
Look at college basketball parody has set in. The playing field as level as it has ever been. You can thank the NIL, transfer portal and the dysfunctional AAU system.
College football is next. The bigger the playoff the better. More access leads to more competition.
We claim Louisville is the only show in town. We need to start treating Louisville sports like a professional team.
The players in the main revenue generating sports have a legit claim. The NCAA held their position despite their revenues going through the roof. It was impossible to fairly regulate the payments in the shadows. It lead to uneven and unfair enforcement. Let’s be clear a level playing will never exist in the NCAA. Trying to regulate your way to be equal was stupid.
Look at college basketball parody has set in. The playing field as level as it has ever been. You can thank the NIL, transfer portal and the dysfunctional AAU system.
College football is next. The bigger the playoff the better. More access leads to more competition.
We claim Louisville is the only show in town. We need to start treating Louisville sports like a professional team.
I disagree, the amateur status provided kids a free education and did not deprive their opportunity to play professionally. Most demonstrated the ability to play 4 years of college without being paid during that process, and moved into careers in the NBA, NFL and MLB. Those like Moses Malone who were so mature physically were able to dismiss college all together and went directly into the NBA.
A college education can be expensive, depending on where the kids attended, and those who invested their 4 years enjoyed a valuable asset that served them well, regardless of playing professional sports beyond.
I agree, there is no going back, but my point was the progression that led away from amateur status was not a positive one. The vast majority of HS and College athletes do not play professionally, and there are still many who are not receiving NIL funds.
A college education can be expensive, depending on where the kids attended, and those who invested their 4 years enjoyed a valuable asset that served them well, regardless of playing professional sports beyond.
I agree, there is no going back, but my point was the progression that led away from amateur status was not a positive one. The vast majority of HS and College athletes do not play professionally, and there are still many who are not receiving NIL funds.
Free agency. The new model ain't fan friendly. It will be interesting to see what the market looks like in the distant future if we live long enough. What fans are seeing now is not what they grew to love in the prior eras.
You know they made the same comments about free agency in the Pro’s and it hasn’t killed any sport.
You either move with the times or get ran over. Louisville has a really good opportunity to take advantage of the new college landscape. Hopefully they find their niche and run with it.
The next move is making it nearly impossible to transfer 2 times. Since there are no player contracts that will slow some of this down.
You either move with the times or get ran over. Louisville has a really good opportunity to take advantage of the new college landscape. Hopefully they find their niche and run with it.
The next move is making it nearly impossible to transfer 2 times. Since there are no player contracts that will slow some of this down.
The model for this University has changed, at least for basketball. The donation and the ticket prices for the average fan is a real challenge, and I am not sure we will see a return to the time when the arena will be filled regardless of success. Football is different, as the limited number of home games and the costs are significantly more reasonable.
I do not keep up with NBA franchises, so I will not comment on how that is being affected one way or another; however, I question how UL is going to navigate past all of the distractions that fans have when considering season Basketball tickets. I hope I am wrong, but I see trouble obtaining support for basketball here.
I do not keep up with NBA franchises, so I will not comment on how that is being affected one way or another; however, I question how UL is going to navigate past all of the distractions that fans have when considering season Basketball tickets. I hope I am wrong, but I see trouble obtaining support for basketball here.
As a lifelong U of L fan, I never thought I’d see the day where this happened… it was simply inconceivable to me. Sadly, I fear you may be right… I hope we both are wrong!
Regarding basketball, we are reaching the point of no return, I'm afraid. If we haven't already.
Let’s say Louisville basketball can’t get fans back if they win. Does that say more about the state of college basketball than Louisville?
I think Louisville’s demise is being over dramatized. If the women’s team can fill up the lower bowl plus get people into the upper for a team that is 15-6 the men can do the same if they start winning again. People aren’t paying premium dollars but it does show there is still a huge level of interest.
When I talk NBA I am talking a smaller $$$ model in acquiring players. Louisville basketball should rarely lose player battles over $$$. KP better flip his attitude on NIL. He can’t make a strength a weakness.
I think Louisville’s demise is being over dramatized. If the women’s team can fill up the lower bowl plus get people into the upper for a team that is 15-6 the men can do the same if they start winning again. People aren’t paying premium dollars but it does show there is still a huge level of interest.
When I talk NBA I am talking a smaller $$$ model in acquiring players. Louisville basketball should rarely lose player battles over $$$. KP better flip his attitude on NIL. He can’t make a strength a weakness.
I have lost interest in the men’s team because of all the crap we’ve had to put up with before KP and now with KP. I have switched over to the women’s side because of less drama and fewer problems.
The difference between Men’s BB and Women’s BB in terms of season ticket costs is huge! I went to my first Women’s Volleyball game and it was reasonable costs and extremely entertaining ….. just like Women’s BB and Men’s Baseball!; worthy of support.
I plan to obtain season tickets for football, even if I do not have a chance to go myself ….. but Men’s BB is quite unlikely.
I plan to obtain season tickets for football, even if I do not have a chance to go myself ….. but Men’s BB is quite unlikely.
I get the price difference. I get football and baseball tickets. My point is there is still fan interest in men’s basketball just not in its current state.
What should have been a year on building on the momentum of the KP hire has turned into a coach that isn’t wanted. I think you are right KP has lost a big chunk on the fanbase. I will be surprised if he wins them back. Even someone like me that thinks he deserves another year can’t envision him winning enough games. It is the Satterfield situation on steroids in year 1.
What should have been a year on building on the momentum of the KP hire has turned into a coach that isn’t wanted. I think you are right KP has lost a big chunk on the fanbase. I will be surprised if he wins them back. Even someone like me that thinks he deserves another year can’t envision him winning enough games. It is the Satterfield situation on steroids in year 1.
Yes, the situation we have with KP is unprecedented, and clearly it accounts for the lack of interest and support for our BB Program. However, I believe that our good friend Zipp has provided statistics that reflect the decline in financial support for our Men’s basketball started even before the NCAA probation and the subsequent Mack era and hiring KP.
Honestly, the access to so many games covered on TV, and some of the inconveniences related to mid week evening games, helps explain why a lot of the perennial season ticket holders gave up their tickets. This new generation does not appear to have the same level of enthusiasm that we witnessed in the preceding decades.
Home games against UK, Duke, UVA, UNC, etc will always be attractive to the fans, but I fear that so many of the games are easier to watch at home.
Honestly, the access to so many games covered on TV, and some of the inconveniences related to mid week evening games, helps explain why a lot of the perennial season ticket holders gave up their tickets. This new generation does not appear to have the same level of enthusiasm that we witnessed in the preceding decades.
Home games against UK, Duke, UVA, UNC, etc will always be attractive to the fans, but I fear that so many of the games are easier to watch at home.
I don’t think it is a Louisville only issue. I think it is much bigger issue. Basketball is becoming stale and frankly not very fun to watch.
I really think college basketball regular season at a cross roads. It shares most of the season with college and pro football. It is mid February before college basketball becomes a thing nationally. Then it is over. They may want to consider moving it back to a January start and May finish. For example the Bengals-Bills game drew 45M people. Who the hell was watching college basketball?
I would also consider moving the NIT to the front of the season. Create a preseason tournament.
Basketball revenue-website so it may not be completely accurate.
Louisville down 59.7%-wow
Duke down 30.4%
Kentucky down 26%
Ohio State down 16.7%
UNC down 38%
Syracuse down 34%
While the amount for Louisville is staggering college basketball is showing signs of discontentment across the board. I think those number will continue to decline.
I really think college basketball regular season at a cross roads. It shares most of the season with college and pro football. It is mid February before college basketball becomes a thing nationally. Then it is over. They may want to consider moving it back to a January start and May finish. For example the Bengals-Bills game drew 45M people. Who the hell was watching college basketball?
I would also consider moving the NIT to the front of the season. Create a preseason tournament.
Basketball revenue-website so it may not be completely accurate.
Louisville down 59.7%-wow
Duke down 30.4%
Kentucky down 26%
Ohio State down 16.7%
UNC down 38%
Syracuse down 34%
While the amount for Louisville is staggering college basketball is showing signs of discontentment across the board. I think those number will continue to decline.
College basketball has created a lot of problems for themselves that has a negative effect on attendance. The one & done rule, the transfer portal and bad referee’s along with other rule changes has really caused fans to leave. I was flipping through channels this weekend and the Cincinnati men’s team was playing and their arena was only half full.
I think when your program like Louisville and Cincinnati become mediocre you will lose fans. Hopefully you get better and bring fans back. I think it will be based on how long it last, if it last to long you might never get them back. Bad decisions being made by administrators ( hiring the wrong coach )and NCAA ( rule changes ) are causing the problem. If the NCAA expands the field to 90 teams ( everybody gets a ribbon ) it would be so watered down it wouldn’t be worth watching.
I think when your program like Louisville and Cincinnati become mediocre you will lose fans. Hopefully you get better and bring fans back. I think it will be based on how long it last, if it last to long you might never get them back. Bad decisions being made by administrators ( hiring the wrong coach )and NCAA ( rule changes ) are causing the problem. If the NCAA expands the field to 90 teams ( everybody gets a ribbon ) it would be so watered down it wouldn’t be worth watching.