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Shelby65

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Most FCS opponents would be pick’em games against RU, not according to Vegas but in reality. This is why we host Wagner again. If Wagner replaced football players with its baseball players, no one would notice the game day difference.

So, the first 3 FBS games are pick’em games, as is the away Indiana game. Rutgers splits those 4, beats Wagner, and loses the rest. 3 wins.

A few lucky bounces and we could go 3-1 in the pick’ems OR beat MSU at home for a 4 win season and the Schiano-suckers will be thrilled the rebuild is ahead of schedule.
 
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RUforlife said:
Is your point it was the first game of the year against a favored Nebraska team? If so, I agree, that is why I would take a one-point win and move on to Temple, it would be nice to win by multiple touchdowns, but a win is a win.
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NickRU714 said:
Yup. That's accurate.
We actually only scored 209 points all season (over 12 games - including 66 against Wagner).
Scored over 20pts twice all season (BC 22, Nebraska 24).
And Nebraska shouldn't even count - we scored a pick 6.
The offense only scored 17pts.
Removing Wagner (66-7) and we scored 13ppg for the season.

9 Big Ten games:
outscored total points 309-105
outscored by average of 34.3 to 11.7
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Defensive TD against Temple too IIRC, the reason we won.
 
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Shelby65 said:
Most FCS opponents would be pick’em games against RU, not according to Vegas but in reality. This is why we host Wagner again. If Wagner replaced football players with its baseball players, no one would notice the game day difference.

So, the first 3 games are pick’em games, as is the away Indiana game. Rutgers splits those 4, beats Wagner, and loses the rest. 3 wins.

A few lucky bounces and we could go 3-1 in the pick’ems OR beat MSU at home for a 4 win season and the Schiano-suckers will be thrilled the rebuild is ahead of schedule.
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before season starts:
Sept. 3 vs. Northwestern* at Noon (CBS) RU should be favored
Sept. 9 vs. Temple at 7:30 p.m. (Big Ten Network) (RU favored)
Sept. 16 vs. Virginia Tech at 3:30 p.m. (Big Ten Network) * RU favored
Sept. 23 at Michigan* at Noon (TBD) Michigan giving points
Sept. 30 vs. Wagner no line, Rutgers expected to roll
Oct. 7 at Wisconsin* at Noon or 3:30/4 p.m. (TBD) Wisk giving points
Oct. 14 (Homecoming) vs. Michigan State* at Noon (TBD) for now a pick-em
Oct. 21 at Indiana* at Noon (TBD) Indiana should be a slight favorite
Nov. 4 vs. Ohio State* > no comment
Nov. 11 at Iowa* >Iowa should be favored
Nov. 18 at Penn State*> wishing don't bring wins, but hope springs enteral
( no comment)

Nov. 25 vs. Maryland* > home cooking will help , but the Turtles right now must be considered the favorites
 
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MADHAT1 said:
before season starts:
Sept. 3 vs. Northwestern* at Noon (CBS) RU should be favored
Sept. 9 vs. Temple at 7:30 p.m. (Big Ten Network) (RU favored)
Sept. 16 vs. Virginia Tech at 3:30 p.m. (Big Ten Network) * RU favored
Sept. 23 at Michigan* at Noon (TBD) Michigan giving points
Sept. 30 vs. Wagner no line, Rutgers expected to roll
Oct. 7 at Wisconsin* at Noon or 3:30/4 p.m. (TBD) Wisk giving points
Oct. 14 (Homecoming) vs. Michigan State* at Noon (TBD) for now a pick-em
Oct. 21 at Indiana* at Noon (TBD) Indiana should be a slight favorite
Nov. 4 vs. Ohio State* > no comment
Nov. 11 at Iowa* >Iowa should be favored
Nov. 18 at Penn State*> wishing don't bring wins, but hope springs enteral
( no comment)

Nov. 25 vs. Maryland* > home cooking will help , but the Turtles right now must be considered the favorites
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There’s a difference betw Vegas favorites and reality, I am sure you realize.
 
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ESPN just released some preseason SP+ ratings --- overall, offense, defense

It's paywall but some notable rankings I posted below.

Disclaimer from the article:

Below are my final SP+ projections for the 2023 college football season. As covered in previous pieces, these are based on three primary factors: returning production (final rankings for which you can find at the bottom of this piece), recent recruiting and recent history. How good have you been recently? Whom do you have coming back? How good are the players replacing those you don't have coming back? That's loosely what we ask when we're setting expectations for a team; it's also what these projections attempt to do objectively, albeit with recent formula changes to account for college football's transfer explosion

As always: SP+ is a tempo- and opponent-adjusted measure of college football efficiency. It is a predictive measure of the most sustainable and predictable aspects of football, not a résumé ranking, and, along those same lines, these projections aren't intended to be a guess at what the AP Top 25 will look like at the end of the year. These are simply early offseason power rankings based on the information we have been able to gather to date.

Rutgers 77 overall, offense 99, defense 60

NW 85 overall, offense 124, defense 29

VT 72 overall, offense 88, defense 51

Temple 103 overall, offense 103, defense 91

Maryland 41 overall, offense 41, defense 27

Michigan St 46 overall, offense 62, defense 30

www.espn.com

Final preseason SP+ rankings for all 133 teams and why the polls like USC and Texas more

With barely two weeks before the 2023 season begins, it's time to look at the updated SP+ rankings for all 133 teams.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
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Shelby65 said:
Didn’t say Wagner was a pick’em. Read much ?
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Know Vegas ?? You posted like you do
The Dunes doesn't exist anymore, so you can bet your FCS reality there. :WooHoo:
That's the reality of my reply
 
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Shelby65 said:
Most FCS opponents would be pick’em games against RU, not according to Vegas but in reality. This is why we host Wagner again. If Wagner replaced football players with its baseball players, no one would notice the game day difference.

So, the first 3 FBS games are pick’em games, as is the away Indiana game. Rutgers splits those 4, beats Wagner, and loses the rest. 3 wins.

A few lucky bounces and we could go 3-1 in the pick’ems OR beat MSU at home for a 4 win season and the Schiano-suckers will be thrilled the rebuild is ahead of schedule.
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Why do you say we? This thread isn’t about Cuse..,
 
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RUforlife said:
That would be nice, but I would take a 1 pt win and move on to Temple, which I believe will be the toughest of the first three due to their QB.
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If we walk out with a one point win, I would be of course be happy we won, but start to feel we are in for a 3 or 4 win season

You can get a feel for what we can and cannot do after playing a,team like NW

It would be nice to have a season opener where we roll over the other team, not against.a Wagner, but a team near our level like NW

Here's hoping
 
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colbert17 said:
Most FCS opponents would be pick’em games against RU

Shelby has become the Bizarro World Rutgersal.
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again, not saying Vegas pick'ems. Actual probabilities. Straight up, how sure are you RU would beat any top 150 team ? Enough to wager significant money ? If the schedule was made by throwing darts at the complete Sagarin list including FCS...we're at best a 5 win team even if we didn't play all of OSU,PSU,UM, etc.
 
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Shelby65 said:
again, not saying Vegas pick'ems. Actual probabilities. Straight up, how sure are you RU would beat any top 150 team ? Enough to wager significant money ? If the schedule was made by throwing darts at the complete Sagarin list including FCS...we're at best a 5 win team even if we didn't play all of OSU,PSU,UM, etc.
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Based on Sagarin's final ratings you have UConn, Holy Cross, Colorado pre-transfers, Rice and Nevada between 130 and 150. And I would bet significant money. Not the house, as I watched App. St. beat Michigan in the Big House a few years ago.
 
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wheezer said:
If we walk out with a one point win, I would be of course be happy we won, but start to feel we are in for a 3 or 4 win season

You can get a feel for what we can and cannot do after playing a,team like NW

It would be nice to have a season opener where we roll over the other team, not against.a Wagner, but a team near our level like NW

Here's hoping
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This. Until we roll teams like NW (or BC, SU, and Temple), any talk of bowl games and winning seasons is just that... all talk.
 
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mdk01 said:
Based on Sagarin's final ratings you have UConn, Holy Cross, Colorado pre-transfers, Rice and Nevada between 130 and 150. And I would bet significant money. Not the house, as I watched App. St. beat Michigan in the Big House a few years ago.
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What it is they say about a fool and his money ? I don't think those opponents are anything more than pick'ems, especially UCONN.
 
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Shelby65 said:
What it is they say about a fool and his money ? I don't think those opponents are anything more than pick'ems, especially UCONN.
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UConn. You mean a 6-6 season against a schedule pre-bowl that Rutgers would have finished 9-3 or 10-2?
 
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The fact that we really have no good sense how the team will fare against three wrecked programs says a lot.
MADHAT1 said:
before season starts:
Sept. 3 vs. Northwestern* at Noon (CBS) RU should be favored
Sept. 9 vs. Temple at 7:30 p.m. (Big Ten Network) (RU favored)
Sept. 16 vs. Virginia Tech at 3:30 p.m. (Big Ten Network) * RU favored
Sept. 23 at Michigan* at Noon (TBD) Michigan giving points
Sept. 30 vs. Wagner no line, Rutgers expected to roll
Oct. 7 at Wisconsin* at Noon or 3:30/4 p.m. (TBD) Wisk giving points
Oct. 14 (Homecoming) vs. Michigan State* at Noon (TBD) for now a pick-em
Oct. 21 at Indiana* at Noon (TBD) Indiana should be a slight favorite
Nov. 4 vs. Ohio State* > no comment
Nov. 11 at Iowa* >Iowa should be favored
Nov. 18 at Penn State*> wishing don't bring wins, but hope springs enteral
( no comment)

Nov. 25 vs. Maryland* > home cooking will help , but the Turtles right now must be considered the favorites
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Based on last year's play, which is all we have to go on currently, all you can really say is: easy favorite for Wagner, slight favorite or favorite for Temple and probably Indiana, pick em for Northwestern and VA Tech, all the rest underdog anywhere from 7 to 70 points.
 
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vic_torre42 said:
UConn has a better coach than Schiano?
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Absolutely. Not even a question. Night and day difference.

I have no doubt, even with the overall talent edge to RU, the game would be a toss up. In today’s game, Schiano is an anchor (philosophy).
 
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I wouldn't be so quick to say that Jim Mora is a better Coach than Greg Schiano, and I am not Schiano cultist. Aside from NC State and Michigan, UConn's 2022 schedule was not very challenging to say the least, and they still managed to lose to Utah State, Ball State, Army, Marshall, and get blown out by Syracuse. Rutgers with that same schedule gets 8 or 9 wins minimum. Mora is an average G5 coach, and I would not want him to be my P5 head coach under any circumstances.
 
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Rokodesh said:
Lock Shelby and Al in a room together for 48 hours and record it for a tv show
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Plum Street said:
Yes. Close game to late 3rd or 4th quarter . We pound the rock in the 4th and get a late score to win by two scores.
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Yes and it will only be close if RU continues with the undisciplined player from last year { 2nd most Penalized team in the B1G}. If play under control and get sloppy it will be 2 score lead going into the 4th Qtr.
 
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