Anybody still want Jeff Brohm?

[Woodrow24]

Houston thumped FSU in a bowl last year and manhandled OU this year. Houston of a non-P5 variety. Houston.

I do not know whether WKU has more or less talent than UK. Never claimed to know. But, I do know that your assumption that WKU should never have more talent is false and ridiculous.

Comparing Houston to Western Kentucky is odd. Western wasn't even playing d-1 football program until 2009. Before that they were a 1-AA school. They were a good 1-AA school though. Houston was a member of the Southwest conference until it was broken up. Same conference as Arkansas, Texas, Texas a and m, etc. Last ten years Houston is 20th in wins. Texas is a hot bed for football talent. Had Art Briles, Kevin sumlin and currently have a good coach in Tom Herman.

Considering WKU didn't start playing D-1 football until 2009, Kentucky should have more talent then them, including since we are a SEC team and they are a conference USA team. That's not always the case as we have seen but Kentucky hasn't been a good program. Hope that changes from this point on.

 

[NavyCat88]

Petrino was 8-4 at WKU.
Brohm 8-5, 12-2, and 3-3 so far.

Good career numbers leading a fairly recent entrant to the FBS.

IMO, If we fail to get 6 wins and/or take a third successive nosedive such that we find ourselves in the market for a new HC this year....Coach Brohm will look like a pretty good candidate.

 

[andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK]

I'd take brohm over stoops everyday. Brohm has at least proven something, stoops on the other hand hasn't proven a damn thing as far as coaching ability goes after 4 years,

 

[BlueBallz_rivals30790]

If their last name doesn't end in iles I'm not interested at this point. I'd like to see a proven winner hired as coach if it comes to that.

 

[Blue_White_KY]

Their moral victory was better than ours I guess. He's waiting for the UL job. 0% chance he would ever come here.

That's not true at all. I know for a fact he would come to UK. In a second.

 

[merrimanm]

Not questioning what you are saying, but interested in your take of what resources we lack in.

I have been visiting other SEC venues and one reason was to see what they have that we don't.

Our venue is FINALLY as good as any. But remember, even those were just completely finished this year.

Resources I am talking about is recruiting bases, cost of living stipends, tradition. There are other things I am sure I am missing, but those are the things off the top if my head, and all 3 are huge disadvantages.

 

[Crankdatmustard_rivals66299]

WKU defense has been atrocious under Brohm.

 

[Mr Schwump]

WKU defense has been atrocious under Brohm.

And I think that was why he was passed over for better jobs last year. That and what can he do without his high performing 6th year QB? His QB has good numbers this year but wins aren't matching those numbers.

 

[Tskware]

I would look at Western Michigan's coach first.

Also, maybe a long shot, but have always thought Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern would be a damn good hire for UK or another program with higher profile/resources than NU.

But Brohm would be on my short list, for sure.

 

[TBCat]

Their moral victory was better than ours I guess. He's waiting for the UL job. 0% chance he would ever come here.

Disagree on both accounts. I don't think Bobby leaves UL anytime soon. Plus even if he were waiting for UL he would still take the UK job in the mean time.

To answer the OP Brohm wouldn't be option #1 for me but he would be a good hire.

 

[yoshukai]

Our venue is FINALLY as good as any. But remember, even those were just completely finished this year.

Resources I am talking about is recruiting bases, cost of living stipends, tradition. There are other things I am sure I am missing, but those are the things off the top if my head, and all 3 are huge disadvantages.

Faucilities maybe, but our atmosphere is still lacking. And a BIG part of that is on us .

 

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

WKU is now 3-3.

Absolutely

 

[tluck28]

I dont want Jeff Brohm. We need to push hard for Leach or even Les Miles.

 

[51stFan]

Faucilities maybe, but our atmosphere is still lacking. And a BIG part of that is on us .

Not being competitive against quality opponents doesn't help that. Bama didn't even have a great atmosphere last week playing a bad UK team. Do you really expect a great atmosphere when you are rarely are competitive against a name team?

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

And I think that was why he was passed over for better jobs last year. That and what can he do without his high performing 6th year QB? His QB has good numbers this year but wins aren't matching those numbers.

+ what kind of recruiter is he/would he be at UK?

related, how will he do when the last guy's recruits are all gone?

 

[Longtrip]

Their moral victory was better than ours I guess. He's waiting for the UL job. 0% chance he would ever come here.

Wrong; a competent AD could hire him for UK. Besides BP is not going anywhere for a long time. Why should he; everything he needs to play for a title is at Louisville. Only a fool would prefer to coach against Saban every season.

 

[Chuckinden]

Our venue is FINALLY as good as any. But remember, even those were just completely finished this year.

Resources I am talking about is recruiting bases, cost of living stipends, tradition. There are other things I am sure I am missing, but those are the things off the top if my head, and all 3 are huge disadvantages.

OK, I agree with that.

 

[yoshukai]

Not being competitive against quality opponents doesn't help that. Bama didn't even have a great atmosphere last week playing a bad UK team. Do you really expect a great atmosphere when you are rarely are competitive against a name team?

I do agree with you , it's tough . Kinda like the chicken or the egg thing . But it was disappointing to see how many ( mostly students) people left at halftime of the SoMiss game . Of course in retrospect, they didn't miss much. lol

 

[yoshukai]

Disagree on both accounts. I don't think Bobby leaves UL anytime soon. Plus even if he were waiting for UL he would still take the UK job in the mean time.

To answer the OP Brohm wouldn't be option #1 for me but he would be a good hire.

I think you are spot on . Both accounts.

 

[CatsPaws270]

He's 3-3 this year, 2 of his 3 losses coming to Vandy and Alabama.

The loss last night was one thing, but I mean do you expect him to go 12-0 every single season? He is working with CUSA talent and he's not in a very talent rich area. It is not his talent though..

He went 8-5 and then 12-2. Lets see how he finishes this season before judging him after a loss or two.

 

[JDHoss]

He's 3-3 this year, 2 of his 3 losses coming to Vandy and Alabama.

The loss last night was one thing, but I mean do you expect him to go 12-0 every single season? He is working with CUSA talent and he's not in a very talent rich area. It is not his talent though..

He went 8-5 and then 12-2. Lets see how he finishes this season before judging him after a loss or two.

OTOH, his 3 wins have came against Rice, Miami, Oh (a 7 point win I might add), and FCS Houston Bab-tist. Those three have a combined 2-13 record, with Houston Bab-tist providing the 2 wins. I actually like Brohm, but I thought it was odd with all of the openings last year that he never got more than a glance for any of them.

 

[jcmc225]

I don't want him yet. hes won primarily with the players Petrino left him over the last few years. I want to see him sustain some success before I crown him a great coach.

 

[JDHoss]

I don't want him yet. hes won primarily with the players Petrino left him over the last few years. I want to see him sustain some success before I crown him a great coach.

He's had primarily players that Willie Taggart recruited. Bobby Neckbrace wasn't there long enough to even scope out the volleyball players, let alone recruit.

 

[Woodrow24]

I don't want him yet. hes won primarily with the players Petrino left him over the last few years. I want to see him sustain some success before I crown him a great coach.

That's a good point that many aren't mentioning.

 

[gamalielkid]

I like Neil. But the counter point of his players, is 26 on the two deep are jr or above. They are a very experienced team. But he has done a great job this year

Yes reflaine, but Brohm is not playing STILL with players HE recruited. He has 12 senior starters - that he didn't recruit. That was my point on Brohm. Now that he is playing with over half the players HE recruited the team is not doing as well. Brohm has NOT proved he can recruit the way Taggart or Petrino did YET.

Go Big Blue!

 

[yoshukai]

OTOH, his 3 wins have came against Rice, Miami, Oh (a 7 point win I might add), and FCS Houston Bab-tist. Those three have a combined 2-13 record, with Houston Bab-tist providing the 2 wins. I actually like Brohm, but I thought it was odd with all of the openings last year that he never got more than a glance for any of them.

I like Brohm and I like Neal Brown . I would like them to be a little more "seasoned" though . But if you wait on them , they may not be available. Hopefully Stoops will "season " by then .

 

[willievic]

He gave Alabama more of a game at WKU than we did with a 12 million dollar buyouts worth of recruiting classes. If he had our raw, ridiculously still undeveloped talent down there in BG he'd be 5-1

Jon, how do you know that? We can do better then Brohm, and there are a lot better coaches out there then Brohm. If we fire Coach Stoops, let's get someone who has recruited his own players, and been successful with them. I don't want someone who has not recruited his own players.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[CatsFanGG24]

What will happen if UK loses to Vandy tomorrow? All I'm saying, the OP wants to act like WKU being 3-3 at this point is some kind of failure on Jeff Brohm and we should run the other way from him. He left out that tidbit of information that 2 of those losses are to SEC schools. WKU shouldn't even be in those games what so ever. And Stoops and UK are losing to Southern Miss. Come on dude. Stoops has 7 games to prove he needs to stay the head coach here. I don't think he proves it at the end of the year and UK is moving on. They need to look at Jeff Brohm when that happens.

Newflash....UK probbaly has already spoke to his agent and gauged interest as well as a few other coaches..

Not wanting Brohm =/= a Stoops endorsement. IF we have to hire a new coach, I hope the comparison bar isn't set at "fired" Mark Stoops and how he did at UK.

 

[CatsPaws270]

FYI, Brohm was the OC and Assistant Head Coach at WKU during Bobby's 1 season. Bobby was basically grooming him to take over for him, so I assume he had a lot of input during his 1st year under Bobby. So you really could say that this team is more or less...his team. This is his 4th season at WKU in my book.

Also, look at Louisville under Kragthorpe and Arkansas under John L Smith. Both teams returned just about everyone from successful Petrino coached teams...and they both collapsed after Bobby left...Brohm did not collapse.

I still say its too early to say if he's ready for the big time yet..but his results have been solid for a Group of 5 coach so far in his career.

 

[Woodrow24]

FYI, Brohm was the OC and Assistant Head Coach at WKU during Bobby's 1 season. Bobby was basically grooming him to take over for him, so I assume he had a lot of input during his 1st year under Bobby. So you really could say that this team is more or less...his team. This is his 4th season at WKU in my book.

Also, look at Louisville under Kragthorpe and Arkansas under John L Smith. Both teams returned just about everyone from successful Petrino coached teams...and they both collapsed after Bobby left...Brohm did not collapse.

I still say its too early to say if he's ready for the big time yet..but his results have been solid for a Group of 5 coach so far in his career.

You make some good points.

 

[jcmc225]

He's had primarily players that Willie Taggart recruited. Bobby Neckbrace wasn't there long enough to even scope out the volleyball players, let alone recruit.

sorry, youre right. slipped my ming taggart was there for a bit in between.

 

[Beatle Bum]

He's 3-3 this year, 2 of his 3 losses coming to Vandy and Alabama.

The loss last night was one thing, but I mean do you expect him to go 12-0 every single season? He is working with CUSA talent and he's not in a very talent rich area. It is not his talent though..

He went 8-5 and then 12-2. Lets see how he finishes this season before judging him after a loss or two.

I think Brohm is a good OC. I suspect he is a good HC. I do not know if he is a good recruiter. The 8-5 and 12-2 records were chiefly with other coach's recruits. His transition to HC was easy on his team, because they did not have to learn a new system and had many of the same coaches. The 12-2 was an experienced team of talented players with a really good QB. Those Jucos he had in year one were a lot better in year two. I thought Jeff was a wonderful talent and like him as an OC, but I the jury is still out on whether he would be a good hire. I certainly don't think there is evidence he would be a slam dunk hire.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Anyone who thinks that the WKU team under Bobby was Jeff's team does not know Bobby. That was Bobby's team. There was a lot of pressure on Bobby to succeed so he could get that next job.

 

[CatsPaws270]

Anyone who thinks that the WKU team under Bobby was Jeff's team does not know Bobby. That was Bobby's team. There was a lot of pressure on Bobby to succeed so he could get that next job.

I think you severely misread what I was saying.

Brohm took a pay cut to come to WKU and Coach for Bobby. He was OC and AHC for a program with a coach that probably was heading out after 1 or 2 years for a bigger job. Jeff was not calling the shots, but it really looks like Bobby was grooming him to take over after he left WKU. It was Bobby's team, but also Bobby really did not get to recruit the players he wanted before he started and was out the door the next offseason.

I think a younger offensive coordinator and assistant head coach probably had a big role in recruiting the players and evaluating them for that year.

Bobby was calling the shots, but don't act like Jeff was not being groomed by Bobby because he knew a bigger opening was coming. I suspect Bobby knew Strong leaving was only a matter of time, and he knew Jurich would hire him immediately.

 

[C.W.1]

When Brohm took over for Petrino, WKU moved up from the Sun Belt to the C-USA. And the offense and team got better. Just look at their offensive stats the year Petrino coached them in Sun Belt and the year Brohm took over in C-USA. WKU's QB was strongly criticized the year he was under Petrino.

Brohm played quite a few years in the NFL and was exposed to some pretty good offensive minds, George Seifert, Norv Turner, Bobby Ross, Steve Mariucci, etc. He played college under Howard Schnellenberger and was an assistant under Petrino. He has the pedigree to be a great offensive coach.

 

[billoliver40]

Of the ones mentioned, Brown would be my pick. He's done great work at Troy. Having a lot of juniors and seniors doesn't always help...it's what you do with them and if you can get them to buy in and perform in your system. He has.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I think you severely misread what I was saying.

Brohm took a pay cut to come to WKU and Coach for Bobby. He was OC and AHC for a program with a coach that probably was heading out after 1 or 2 years for a bigger job. Jeff was not calling the shots, but it really looks like Bobby was grooming him to take over after he left WKU. It was Bobby's team, but also Bobby really did not get to recruit the players he wanted before he started and was out the door the next offseason.

I think a younger offensive coordinator and assistant head coach probably had a big role in recruiting the players and evaluating them for that year.

Bobby was calling the shots, but don't act like Jeff was not being groomed by Bobby because he knew a bigger opening was coming. I suspect Bobby knew Strong leaving was only a matter of time, and he knew Jurich would hire him immediately.

I think BP had his class before he exited. I don't think Jeff gets credit for that first class. I do believe that WKU knew Bobby was not long for that job and Jeff knew the same thing. That fact does not create for Jeff any credit, other than being a BP OC, that year Bobby was there.

 

[Beatle Bum]

When Brohm took over for Petrino, WKU moved up from the Sun Belt to the C-USA. And the offense and team got better. Just look at their offensive stats the year Petrino coached them in Sun Belt and the year Brohm took over in C-USA. WKU's QB was strongly criticized the year he was under Petrino.

Brohm played quite a few years in the NFL and was exposed to some pretty good offensive minds, George Seifert, Norv Turner, Bobby Ross, Steve Mariucci, etc. He played college under Howard Schnellenberger and was an assistant under Petrino. He has the pedigree to be a great offensive coach.

Funny, I don't remember the QB being slammed. There was a transition for him, but Jeff was his OC, so saying he did better under Jeff as the HC does not make much sense.

 

[Woodrow24]

Funny, I don't remember the QB being slammed. There was a transition for him, but Jeff was his OC, so saying he did better under Jeff as the HC does not make much sense.

He's right actually. He was criticized because he thew 14 interceptions that season under Petrino.

2013: 2857 yards passing 14 td's and 14 int's

2014: 4830 yards passing 49 td's and 10 int's

2015: 5055 yards passing 48 td's and 9 int's

 

[Beatle Bum]

He's right actually. He was criticized because he thew 14 interceptions that season under Petrino.

2013: 2857 yards passing 14 td's and 14 int's

2014: 4830 yards passing 49 td's and 10 int's

2015: 5055 yards passing 48 td's and 9 int's

Coming into 2014, Dougherty was praised. Jeff was his freaking OC in 2013 and, I believe, QB coach under BP. How in the world does anyone hang a first year QB's transition year on the HC and not his OC and position coach? SMH