Big East COY - Top 3

[Halldan]

Sure it's early, but what the hell something to talk about.

I'll post this every Sunday

1. Thad Matta

2 . Shaheen Holloway

3. Danny Hurley

 

[jack 1970]

Sha so far so good.

 

[Halldan]

At this point no other coach deserves mention.

Cooley would have been on the list but he had a disastrous holiday weekend. And Willard's schedule has been a joke so far. So the Top 3 are obvious with 1 & 2 being interchangeable.

 

[SPK145]

I'd have Willard third right now. The Villanova schedule hasn't been that difficult so far but overall it's been better than say Seton Hall's. And their close loss to BYU is better than anything on Butler's or Seton Hall's resume so far.

 

[Halldan]

You judge the 3 schedules & remember where the three schools were projected in the preseason.

Nova

Mon Nov 3	50	12	BYU	L, 71-66	68		Neutral	0-1
Sat Nov 8	50	209	Queens	W, 94-74	68		Home	1-1
Tue Nov 11	48	289	Sacred Heart	W, 94-60	66		Home	2-1
Sat Nov 15	42	132	Duquesne	W, 87-77	70		Home	3-1
Wed Nov 19	43	250	La Salle	W, 70-55	59		Away	4-1
Tue Nov 25	39	221	Old Dominion	W, 89-75	66		Home	5-1

 

[Halldan]

SHU

Mon Nov 3	93	332	Saint Peter's	W, 77-50	60		Home	1-0
Fri Nov 7	82	316	Wagner	W, 68-61	65		Home	2-0
Mon Nov 10	96	288	Fairfield	W, 82-59	69		Home	3-0
Thu Nov 13	89	211	Monmouth	W, 70-58	67		Home	4-0
Tue Nov 18	92	349	New Haven	W, 68-45	62		Home	5-0
Mon Nov 24	87	29	N.C. State	W, 85-74	74		Neutral	6-0
Tue Nov 25	73	25	USC	L, 83-81	69		Neutral	6-1
Wed Nov 26	67	169	Washington St.	W, 75-61	66		Neutral	7-1

 

[Halldan]

Butler

Wed Nov 5	72	295	Southern Indiana	W, 88-58	75		Home	1-0
Sat Nov 8	68	333	IU Indy	W, 112-80	90		Home	2-0
Tue Nov 11	69	357	Chicago St.	W, 98-66	73		Home	3-0
Sat Nov 15	70	41	SMU	L, 87-85	75		Away	3-1
Fri Nov 21	64	89	South Carolina	W, 79-72	69		Neutral	4-1
Sun Nov 23	55	38	Virginia	W, 80-73	69		Neutral	5-1
Fri Nov 28	46	152	Wright St.	W, 94-69	75		Home	6-1

 

[Halldan]

Coaches preseason poll

• 1. St. John's (7 first-place votes) - 97 points
• 2. UConn (4 first-place votes) - 94 points
• 3. Creighton - 80 points
• 4. Providence - 64 points
• 5. Marquette - 60 points
• 6. Georgetown - 57 points
• 7. Villanova - 50 points
• 8. Xavier - 33 points
• 9. DePaul - 29 points
• 10. Butler - 26 points
• 11. Seton Hall - 15 points

 

[Halldan]

Based on the above I strongly disagree with Steve.

 

[jklings99]

I'd have Willard third right now. The Villanova schedule hasn't been that difficult so far but overall it's been better than say Seton Hall's. And their close loss to BYU is better than anything on Butler's or Seton Hall's resume so far.

Yeah LaSalle and Old Dominion are better than NC State, USC, & Washington State. Cmon. These schedules are in different tiers right now.

 

[Halldan]

Steve's correct when he says that Nova's loss was better than ours. But our victory over NCS was better by far than anything Nova has done to date.

And again Butler and SHU were the two bottom teams in the poll so for now I have both ahead of Nova.

 

[sobo1]

Two quick points....

I've never liked COY discussions because seems like coaches are often penalized for being good coaches. For example, Coach K retired after the '21 season but hadn't won the award since '99-'00. Part of being a coach is building a roster that's capable of high expectations. I don't understand why that's discounted in the COY discussion.

Sidenote: I don't agree Nova's overall resume or SOS is materially better than Seton Hall's or Butler's. Virtually identical SOS, but Butler and The Hall have significantly better wins.

 

[SPK145]

Based on the above I strongly disagree with Steve.

I don't care about the coaches poll, I only care about what I thought preseason.

Therefore I stick with Willard third as of right now.

 

[SPK145]

Yeah LaSalle and Old Dominion are better than NC State, USC, & Washington State. Cmon. These schedules are in different tiers right now.

You forgot BYU for Villanova and that Queens, Sacred Heart, Duquesne, La Salle, and Old Dominion are better than Saint Peter's, Wagner, Fairfield, Monmouth, and New Haven.

Per KenPom, Villanova's schedule is ranked 260 vs. 331 for Seton Hall.

 

[sobo1]

You forgot BYU for Villanova and that Queens, Sacred Heart, Duquesne, La Salle, and Old Dominion are better than Saint Peter's, Wagner, Fairfield, Monmouth, and New Haven.

Per KenPom, Villanova's schedule is ranked 260 vs. 331 for Seton Hall.

It's subjective and depends on which metric you quote. From a NET perspective Wagner would be Nova's *best* win. From a NET perspective SH has clearly played the better schedule.

Nova:
Q1: 0-1
Q4: 5-0

The Hall
Q1: 1-1
Q4: 6-0

Team	NET
BYU	13​	Nova
USC	20​	SH
NC State	40​	SH
Wagner	198​	SH
Duquesne	202​	Nova
Fairfield	203​	SH
Monmouth	207​	SH
Washington St	225​	SH
Queens university	235​	Nova
Old Dominium	241​	Nova
La Salle	277​	Nova
Sacred Heart	295​	Nova
New Haven	315​	SH
St Peters	347​	SH