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camdenlawprof said:
As I read the story, he might have to serve more than six months with the plea bargain. I'm surprised he didn't take the offer, but maybe he really believes the state can't prove its case or that he's innocent.
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I'm not a criminal defense attorney, but I have watched a lot of them on TV :smiley:, and the evidence they had was a bunch of goofy stuff they found in his glovebox including chopped up tylenol. Seemed like kind of a flimsy case.
 
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Knight Shift said:
I'm not a criminal defense attorney, but I have watched a lot of them on TV :smiley:, and the evidence they had was a bunch of goofy stuff they found in his glovebox including chopped up tylenol. Seemed like kind of a flimsy case.
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But he’s a walk in Football player at RU so he’s guilty until proven innocent on our media.
 
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News12 somehow left off the “attempted” part when covering this.
 
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Knight Shift said:
I'm not a criminal defense attorney, but I have watched a lot of them on TV :smiley:, and the evidence they had was a bunch of goofy stuff they found in his glovebox including chopped up tylenol. Seemed like kind of a flimsy case.
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They have the testimony of a teammate who was asked to be a getaway driver. I sure hope camdenlawstheory is correct, because if he is found guilty, they are going to HAMMER him.
 
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camdenlawprof said:
As I read the story, he might have to serve more than six months with the plea bargain. I'm surprised he didn't take the offer, but maybe he really believes the state can't prove its case or that he's innocent.
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What's the NJ law on recording conversations? According to the story, the prospective get away driver had recorded the conversation. Is that admissible in a NJ Court or will it be he said - he said scenario?
 
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If memory serves (questionable, lol), the Middlesex County Prosecutors office seemed to overcharge the football players in the Sayreville Hazing incident about 5 years ago, and also overcharge the RU Credit Card players. In the Sayreville case the players went to trial and got convicted of next to nothing , if anything , and the RU guys all got very light sentences after a few rounds of negotiating plea agreements. Seems same might be happening in this case, although having a public defender probably a bad idea. You get what you pay for in most cases.
 
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Yeah Baby said:
But he’s a walk in Football player at RU so he’s guilty until proven innocent on our media.
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This is correct. The conspiracy theorist inside me says the SL is paying for his defense to keep the RU angle in the news. Waiting for the expose on how a sweet, innocent young man walks onto the RU football team and the staff turns him into an attempted murder suspect.
 
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He would be an idiot to accept that plea deal. This case is so weak. Searching the internet, having Tylenol and telling people he is going to kill his ex and share pictures of her, while under emotional stress of being dumped by his lover gets you 6 months in jail? Unless there is a lot more to it than what is reported, it is a pretty weak case in my opinion. I rather have that cop who basically tried to kill a patient, in jail for 20 years than a heart broken kid who doesn't have any criminal record.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/n...j-cop-beating-up-hospital-patient/3278641002/
 
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RU_PAYBACK said:
So what does chopped tylenol do?? Extra, extra pain relief?
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Tylenol (and the generic forms of it) are metabolized by the liver. If one takes too much, the liver is overwhelmed. That's why everyone should be careful to note what the bottle says about the daily maximum dose.
 
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It sounds as if he admitted to wanting to kill, just because he may have been incompetent doesn't mean it is a defense.
 
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Having said all of that if he goes near the girl against her wishes even one more time then hen he needs to go to prison. There is a fine line between a jilted ex and an ex that makes a really bad decision and does somethings we don’t even want to think about.
 
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Knight Shift said:
I'm not a criminal defense attorney, but I have watched a lot of them on TV :smiley:, and the evidence they had was a bunch of goofy stuff they found in his glovebox including chopped up tylenol. Seemed like kind of a flimsy case.
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Are you ignoring tge factb.c that he was taped by another player hevtried to recruit...it"s on tape
 
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Extra Point said:
He would be an idiot to accept that plea deal. This case is so weak. Searching the internet, having Tylenol and telling people he is going to kill his ex and share pictures of her, while under emotional stress of being dumped by his lover gets you 6 months in jail? Unless there is a lot more to it than what is reported, it is a pretty weak case in my opinion. I rather have that cop who basically tried to kill a patient, in jail for 20 years than a heart broken kid who doesn't have any criminal record.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/n...j-cop-beating-up-hospital-patient/3278641002/
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You know how many heart broken people out there with NO RECORD kill people
 
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Abro1975 said:
If memory serves (questionable, lol), the Middlesex County Prosecutors office seemed to overcharge the football players in the Sayreville Hazing incident about 5 years ago, and also overcharge the RU Credit Card players. In the Sayreville case the players went to trial and got convicted of next to nothing , if anything , and the RU guys all got very light sentences after a few rounds of negotiating plea agreements. Seems same might be happening in this case, although having a public defender probably a bad idea. You get what you pay for in most cases.
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I think prosecutors knowingly overcharging should be a crime. It is fraud designed to drive plea bargains.

And the worst part of it is that they do this to drive possibly false testimony against others. Threaten some connected tot he targeted party with worse crimes and mandatory sentences than they deserve.. but reduce or eliminate that risk if they "cooperate" and say the things you need them to say.

That kind of wheeling-dealing should be a crime.
 
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greenknight said:
You know how many heart broken people out there with NO RECORD kill people
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That's true. And I don't know his nature or if he physically abused her or if she has an intense fear of him. I am only going by the evidence the media reported. But he won't be in jail long either way, it is just the difference of having a criminal record vs not having a criminal record.
 
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mdk01 said:
Way too early to say that. As Yogi would be have said "It ain't over 'till it's over."
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IIRC, the biggest part of the case against Bullock were his incriminating statements made to the RU detective. Don' think they have much else against him. With the statements thrown out because Bullock was not properly Mirandized, the case against him may be pretty sketchy.

His attorney had this to say a few years ago when the trial court suppressed the improperly procured evidence:

“I don’t know how the state can proffer a way forward with respect to a count like attempted murder,” Petty said, according to the article. “We might be left with some of the lesser charges to potentially resolve or go forward to trial with. But my client says (the alleged threat) was bluster.”

Is that al on the left?

 
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rutgersal said:
We can only judge based on the available evidence. No one knew that he wasn’t properly mirandized. He’s getting off on a technicality.
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No, that's not correct. He is getting off because the police improperly elicited statements from him before he was made aware of his rights. While laypeople may view that as a technicality, every person is fundamentally entitled to be made aware of their rights before having statements made to police used against them in a criminal prosecution. You do believe in the safeguards provided by the Fifth Amendment and privilege against self-incrimination? If not, do you believe in all of your posts that have been flagged by Message Board Geniuses, or do you just enjoy the attention you get in making outlandish statements about what Rutgers will achieve?
 
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Knight Shift said:
No, that's not correct. He is getting off because the police improperly elicited statements from him before he was made aware of his rights. While laypeople may view that as a technicality, every person is fundamentally entitled to be made aware of their rights before having statements made to police used against them in a criminal prosecution. You do believe in the safeguards provided by the Fifth Amendment and privilege against self-incrimination? If not, do you believe in all of your posts that have been flagged by Message Board Geniuses, or do you just enjoy the attention you get in making outlandish statements about what Rutgers will achieve?
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that the case was based on evidence improperly obtained was something that came out later. This was not known previously.
 
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sherrane said:
What's the NJ law on recording conversations? According to the story, the prospective get away driver had recorded the conversation. Is that admissible in a NJ Court or will it be he said - he said scenario?
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I believe that in both NY and NJ- as long as 1 of the people on the recording is aware of it, it is legal. If you are taping a conversation between people and you are not a part of that conversation, then it would not be allowed without a warrant.
 
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Obviously, talking about murdering people is not great. But it would appear he was confessing to saying stupid things he had no intention of carrying out. He probably assumed no crime had been committed and he was trying to straighten things out.

What an unnecessary nightmare for him and his family.

Obviously, there could be more to the story, but maybe not.
 
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