Call me a part of the problem
- Thread starter GG Allin
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If CMS is kept after going 4/8 or worse this year MB better have the best and most creative sales department in the history of football . I see a third year joker type revolt by the season ticket holders on the horizon as they vote with their feet again.
I emailed Mitch after Jokers last game of 2012 and asked him if he'd talked to Petrino.....didn't respond....but he did respond to an earlier email about the QB play that year! I'm with ya, should've hired Bobby.
The people who are the problem around this program are the ones who want to fire the head coach but arent smart enough to realize they are then trusting the same AD who hired ther last 2 failed coaches to hire yet another coach.
those people, and the other freaks & scumbags worried about who Mark Stoops is having sex with. if we could only eliminate those people from the fanbase things would be great!
those people, and the other freaks & scumbags worried about who Mark Stoops is having sex with. if we could only eliminate those people from the fanbase things would be great!
Sorry, I was quoting your points and for some reason, the text was hidden; my bad. Below is what I wrote...not sure what you mean by debate...most here know you are "ok" with football losses as long as basketball wins...but, you will be quick to come on this board and claim to be a die hard but your messages are simply punches to the faces of football fans who only want to win. Don't be impressed as I don't really care how many b-ball titles UK has...you just don't get it with those of us who want to see winning football.
Tell you what UKWildcats#8, you can ignore what I wrote below (and in the interest of diplomacy, I have edited the text) and if you are agreeable to meet to discuss the state of this crap and attend a game, I will drop my protest to never attend another UK football game again and will agree to invite you to the tailgate I vowed never to return to. After watching the debate tonight, I feel that diplomacy is the only remedy we the masses have with the two choices both parties have chosen. Oh, and Chad Rock will do, only my friends call me Chadwick.
What about my post was inaccurate? Next year's schedule is harder.
Maybe so. I thought LSU would be formidable this year...
I don't have you on ignore you dope.
I thought you did...at least you indicated several years ago when you chastised me for being a football only fan.
And what 8 win bs are you babbling about?
Your screen name...are you that ?
Prescription is this. 1. Get a coach who can win games aginst WKU, Southern Miss, beat Vandy more consistently, Missouri, SC, MSU, etc..
Do you really want this? Or are you sitting back snickering at the thousands of people who trudge into CWS each saturday in the fall only to see their team get whooped?
2. Get a real coach who can coach up the players (since we will never outrecruit UT, FL, etc).
Why not? basketball seems to get the best each and every year...and I am sure it's not just because of the coaches charm$$$$
3. Enjoy the 6-7 win Brooks type seasons on the regular and rejoice when we win 8 or 9 once or twice a decade. That is about as good as it is gonna get here unless we can get a Saban or Meyer type here.
How about listing all the other programs that interviewed BP. Shouldn't take more than a second or two. I give mitch more hell than anyone on here but that wasn't his worst move by about ten thousand.
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I hate sunshine pumpers like you. Please go root for another team. I won't root for losers
Someone holds a different opinion than you on a message board and you get ugly. It's as if you think something written on this board will influence the actual outcome.
CC, I go further back...I can't get past Schnellenburger:football::football:[roll]
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I do agree that we need to keep the head of the snake (Stoops) in place, but some of the parts (Elliot) may need to go. We just need to continue to work towards a more complete product without scrapping the whole thing again. We've seen that does not work at Ky.
The revisionist history of the Brooks era is amazing. Yes, the SEC East was a little more difficult, but the non-conference was much easier. Vandy isn't that much worse than they were back then. UT is better. Florida, this year, is worse, but not so much that they're at our level. GA is about the same and USC is worse. Brooks had ONE year with a 500 SEC record. Those bowls were built on Kragthorpe (what was UofL ranked at the end of that season, not when we played which was way early), the terrible 3 non-con games (nothing even at the level of Southern Miss) and then beating Vandy and finding another SEC win.
The one thing Brooks did was beat a very good LSU team, Stoops hasn't had a win close to that yet. I'm not saying Stoops is the guy, but if you're anti mediocrity then brooks isn't your guy. 4-8, 2-9, 3-8 - Brooks first 3 years. So if we tank this year then Stoops is one year behind him. Facts are your friend, not revisionist history.
So if I read that right, if we lose to those teams you are not going to be happy. If we beat Vandy and Mizzou, you are.... um, not going to be happy?
Why even compare who we would be in a hypothetical situation?
So our bad defense made SC's bad offense look bad? Not sure how anybody could complain about that. If their bad offense made our bad defense look bad, then yeah, I'd get it, but not the other way around.
Out of curiosity, how is somebody wrong in their opinion?
Wasn't that at Commonwealth with the two late TD's to Randall Cobb?
"how is someone wrong in their opinion?"
His opinion a few weeks ago was that we'd beat USM easily..... last year that UK would make the final four....... etc etc etc............... Pretty sure those were wrong opinions dont you?
his history of being wrong is now at legendary status
His opinion a few weeks ago was that we'd beat USM easily..... last year that UK would make the final four....... etc etc etc............... Pretty sure those were wrong opinions dont you?
his history of being wrong is now at legendary status
"Very good" LSU team" Christ. They won the national championship.
The SEC is significantly down from what it was while Brooks was in Lexington. It's not even close. The number of unranked SEC opponents Stoops has had the opportunity to face and still has managed to crap the bed is unreal.
Brooks managed to beat:
IN 2006 - Motor City Bowl Champs Central Michigan (Brian Kelly), Chick-Fil-A Bowl champs Georgia
IN 2007 - New Orleans Bowl Champs Florida Atlantic, Cotton Bowl champs Arkansas, NATIONAL CHAMPION LSU
IN 2009 - Outback Bowl Champs Auburn, Independence Bowl Champs Georgia
So, CMU and Florida Atlantic are most definitely on the level of the Southern Miss juggernaut.
Post again when your boy Stoops manages to beat a team that ends up with a winning record. Chances are incredibly strong that he will end up winless through 48 games.
Yeah, no doubt about that. But with the 113th ranked defense in the country, we should be pleased at stopping ANY offense, regardless. ;-)
"Legendary status." haha (Laughing at the statement itself; not at you.
Anyway, yeah, those opinions AFTER results were in were no longer "opinions." However, when he made them, they weren't wrong.... they were just his opinion.
Reading the post you were originally referring to, he was talking about next year. His opinion was that next year's schedule isn't as tough as some are making it out to be. No way to prove that or disprove it... so he can't be wrong. We don't know what will happen between now and then .... so I find nothing wrong with his opinion. If you think next year's schedule will be twice as difficult as this year's, I find nothing wrong with that way of thinking either.
That's all I'm trying to say.
What wins did he have in his first 3 years plus 4 games? In his first 4 full years he had one good win, GA. Do I think Stoops will have as good of a run here, it doesn't appear so. But I do I think that Brooks record should be the gold standard, hell no. He had one season where he was 500 in the SEC and none better than that.
If you put Kragthorpe at UofL then Stoops would have gone to a bowl in his 2nd and 3rd season. But he wasn't. So it's moot. But Brooks record through 3 years wasn't better and his overall record was the Webster's definition of mediocrity.
For context:
His (Brooks) first three years were a combined: 9-25
Stoops first three years: 12-24
I think it's fair to say both coaches took over a program that needed some serious rebuilding.
2006 was Brooks fourth year as well. I don't see this Stoops team in its fourth year beating anybody we're not supposed to, but at the same time, I am not saying that won't happen, either.
I understand that the SEC back then was better than it is now.
Also in 2006, Brooks' fourth year, we got waxed by LSU 49-0. That's when things changed for that team.
2007 would be Brooks' fifth year, and 2009 would be his seventh, so don't think we can quite compare those years just yet.
And the biggest factor of it all in my opinion? Brooks was a very experienced coach (18 seasons at Oregon from 1977-1994) when he took over. He was also experienced in rebuilding a program. Stoops was a first time coach.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, BTW. Just throwing more ideas out in the conversation. ;-)
Nobody is bad as Kragthorpe... Stoops is Saban x10 compared to Krags
Who cares what other programs are doing? I only care about UK and what WE need!
Mitch worst move was BCG obviously. The Petrino snub is definitely second. It can't be more obvious.
If we don't go to a bowl this year, how many consecutive years will that be for Mitch? And how many years total? Asking for a friend.
If we don't make it this year then it will be 6 straight years without a bowl game. He's been here 14 years and 9 of those years we have missed bowl games. Yet he keeps getting his contract extended. He should have been fired ages ago, yet UK higher-ups must be fine with us sucking at football.
The SEC as a whole is still outstanding. There are just peaks n valleys for certain teams. However, the teams residing in bottom always remain the same.
No other teams after Petrino, that makes it all the worse, he was ours for the asking, no competition. We won't have another opportunity to hire an elite coach in my lifetime
Brooks went 8-5 in year 4. Do you think Stoops is on pace for a similar record in year 4 as well? Always next year though, right?
You're exactly right. That'll prove to have been our program defining moment and we blew it. People can justify all they want calling BP a scumbag, cheater, loser etc but reality is...he's competing for a national title and we're praying for a 6 win that has about a 100-1 chance of even happening.
Ditch Rich, I think that is what he said was on the t-shirt. Yes, there is always next year but there are also 8 games left in this season.