Cam isn’t coming out of this slump

[RUBlackout]

Seems like every other team we play has one or more olayers against our vaunted defense have breakout 3 point games. Why can we have Cam doing the same. ?
One reason is other teams have fast crisp passing around the perimeter and some run the old time weave and eventually someone gets open enough to shoot or drive to hoop. We over dribble into trouble or do lazy passing or force a pass into a double team .
Today in first half we were getting into the paint and scoring. Then after the subs, we totally loss that approach.

We went away from what was working in the 2nd half. Some might say that Illinois adjusted but to me we were just settling for outside jumpers which is our kryptonite. For many different stretches of time this season we see our offense become stagnant it is due to this as well as too much dribbling by PM/CM rather than moving the ball.
Our offense was actually a thing of beauty in that first half all around. A few lapses here and there where we would have pulled away more but we responded anytime they started to make a run.

2nd half concerns:
>Caleb - must have got into his head bc he went away from driving and even pulling up for quick jumpers (both are within his range of offensive skills and a great fit)--only had 2pts in 2nd half
>Simpson - nothing more to say but he is forcing everything and takes some ill advised shots. He does a better job of trying to create his own shots but when he touches the ball it is very limited ball movement
>Cam - no plays run for him expecting him to create his own shots and that is not his game. We need to get him more shots
>Oskar - really can shoot but is completely one dimensional. I am not even sure what he does out there as he seems to stand around a lot like a spectator...look at the one rebound on offense that went right through his hands. Another was his help side defense to allow such an easy layup for Illinois rather than stepping up to defend almost as if it was a "geez, I will get them next time"
>Hyatt - outside of the missed fast break dunk which was a killer, i actually felt he played well outside of his defense which at best is always spotty(good rebounder) but he is always a step slow in covering his man.
>PM - dribbles WAY too much and slows down the offense flow. While I know we are not a high powered offense, I feel when we move the ball faster(rebound transitions or turnovers) we are much better team to score. The faster we move the less time for the defense to settle in. This creates more options for us because we don't have the best off the ball movement nor run set plays for people like Cam to get them open. The pick n roll with him and cliff is great but we seem to go away from him very often and its just odd. That is PMs strength and if he is in the game that should be the play every time down if we settle in the half court offense

 

[WPUknight]

You guys are probably right. His entire career up to this point is an anomaly. He’s had a few tough games and now is completely ****ed forever. This makes perfect sense. You are very smart

You guys are probably right. His entire career up to this point is an anomaly. He’s had a few tough games and now is completely ****ed forever. This makes perfect sense. You are very smar

Some people are to sensitive on this board. I made a pretty obvious statement that he’s not coming out of his current slump. Of course he can come back better than ever next year… buts he’s not coming out of this slump for the reminder of this season.

 

[rudad02]

He is overrated. Cant create his own shots.

He's passing up good looks. Lost confidence.

 

[rudad02]

We went away from what was working in the 2nd half. Some might say that Illinois adjusted but to me we were just settling for outside jumpers which is our kryptonite. For many different stretches of time this season we see our offense become stagnant it is due to this as well as too much dribbling by PM/CM rather than moving the ball.
Our offense was actually a thing of beauty in that first half all around. A few lapses here and there where we would have pulled away more but we responded anytime they started to make a run.

2nd half concerns:
>Caleb - must have got into his head bc he went away from driving and even pulling up for quick jumpers (both are within his range of offensive skills and a great fit)--only had 2pts in 2nd half
>Simpson - nothing more to say but he is forcing everything and takes some ill advised shots. He does a better job of trying to create his own shots but when he touches the ball it is very limited ball movement
>Cam - no plays run for him expecting him to create his own shots and that is not his game. We need to get him more shots
>Oskar - really can shoot but is completely one dimensional. I am not even sure what he does out there as he seems to stand around a lot like a spectator...look at the one rebound on offense that went right through his hands. Another was his help side defense to allow such an easy layup for Illinois rather than stepping up to defend almost as if it was a "geez, I will get them next time"
>Hyatt - outside of the missed fast break dunk which was a killer, i actually felt he played well outside of his defense which at best is always spotty(good rebounder) but he is always a step slow in covering his man.
>PM - dribbles WAY too much and slows down the offense flow. While I know we are not a high powered offense, I feel when we move the ball faster(rebound transitions or turnovers) we are much better team to score. The faster we move the less time for the defense to settle in. This creates more options for us because we don't have the best off the ball movement nor run set plays for people like Cam to get them open. The pick n roll with him and cliff is great but we seem to go away from him very often and its just odd. That is PMs strength and if he is in the game that should be the play every time down if we settle in the half court offense

Very good points.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Nobody else on the team is a true three point threat other than him. Defenses can sag off everyone else and just focus on him as a perimeter threat. It's like our football team, the opposing defenses are only concerned about stopping the run. I was hoping Derek would be a threat but looks like not this year. And Palmquist is a liability in so many other areas.

Paul is 15 - 36 for 41.7% is is now .2% ahead of cam. Problem is Paul won't shoot which helps overall scoring and gets some pressure off Cam.

 

[Knightmoves]

Some people are to sensitive on this board. I made a pretty obvious statement that he’s not coming out of his current slump. Of course he can come back better than ever next year… buts he’s not coming out of this slump for the reminder of this season.

How do you know this?

And what was the highest level of basketball where you coached?

 

[BigEastPhil]

Paul is 15 - 36 for 41.7% is is now .2% ahead of cam. Problem is Paul won't shoot which helps overall scoring and gets some pressure off Cam.

Paul needs to be selfish throughout the game especially when team is in a funk

 

[DHajekRC84]

Some people are to sensitive on this board. I made a pretty obvious statement that he’s not coming out of his current slump. Of course he can come back better than ever next year… buts he’s not coming out of this slump for the reminder of this season.

not getting how this is "so obvious"? Scorers need one good game. he needs to get to foul line. half the board thought Mag sucked earlier in year now were "doomed" without him. .

We need coach to put on his offensive brain gear and get this offense figured out and start doing things that are more productive and efficient

 

[Rutger2001]

Paul's 41.7% is a little deceiving because he only takes WIDE open threes like Reiber did last year.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Paul's 41.7% is a little deceiving because he only takes WIDE open threes like Reiber did last year.

 

[Scangg]

Lack of ball movement and player movement is killing us on offense. Can't just stand around and wait for something to happen and we don't have players who are very strong at creating one on one off the dribble

 

[red sail]

Lack of ball movement and player movement is killing us on offense. Can't just stand around and wait for something to happen and we don't have players who are very strong at creating one on one off the dribble

This! %

 

[rob kight]

And the same on out of bounds plays. We struggle more than most teams getting the ball in. Main reason is our team players aren’t moving and helping the inbounder. We did actually run one nice inbound play that led to a layup for Derek.So we can do it.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Lack of ball movement and player movement is killing us on offense. Can't just stand around and wait for something to happen and we don't have players who are very strong at creating one on one off the dribble

not to mention the disadvantage of playing point while having your back turned to half the court. I know Paul's got eyes in the back of his head and protecting the ball but this method isn't too hard to defend.

 

[mikeyoc]

Had excellent games against MN and IU, but really struggled against MSU and IL out of our last 4. Certainly inconsistent.

For what it's worth, played an excellent floor game at MSG. More to basketball than chucking threes. Just ask Penn State

 

[fluoxetine]

Some people are to sensitive on this board. I made a pretty obvious statement that he’s not coming out of his current slump. Of course he can come back better than ever next year… buts he’s not coming out of this slump for the reminder of this season.

(1) that’s absurd
(2) even if somehow you are right, if he comes back and plays well next year that is still coming out of the slump

Have people already forgotten the epic RHJ slump of 2021? He recovered

 

[fluoxetine]

Paul is 15 - 36 for 41.7% is is now .2% ahead of cam. Problem is Paul won't shoot which helps overall scoring and gets some pressure off Cam.

Paul needs to be selfish throughout the game especially when team is in a funk

Paul's 41.7% is a little deceiving because he only takes WIDE open threes like Reiber did last year.

Paul’s percentage will likely drop a bit if he shoots more. That’s fine. Any three pointer over 33.3% is likely a good shot for us

 

[fluoxetine]

Bottom line Mulcahy must shoot!

There was one play yesterday where they just left him alone at the top of the 3 point line and he didn’t shoot it. That’s not a winning play

 

[cm_13]

(1) that’s absurd
(2) even if somehow you are right, if he comes back and plays well next year that is still coming out of the slump

Have people already forgotten the epic RHJ slump of 2021? He recovered

He may never make a shot ever again

 

[red sail]

He may never make a shot ever again

Never Ever ? It’s not too late to join a corn hole league

 

[DHajekRC84]

Never Ever ? It’s not too late to join a corn hole league

I heard he's given up college basketball and changing his name to Sam Censor.

 

[motorb54]

Teams have adjusted and no longer sag off Cam. He had one clean open look and it bounced out.
We don't run enough plays to get him open. Also, Cliff is a poor passer so when he is doubled it is more likely a turnover than him finding the open man.

 

[RUBlackout]

And the same on out of bounds plays. We struggle more than most teams getting the ball in. Main reason is our team players aren’t moving and helping the inbounder. We did actually run one nice inbound play that led to a layup for Derek.So we can do it.

I think it’s actually PM when he inbounds. He is waiting for all the screens to develop to try and get the number one option instead of just getting the ball in. Go back and watch the plays—he is hesitant to just throw to the open player and then creates confusion with 5sec rule in play that he just throws it in and causes issues. Happens every game this year and dates back to last year.
Crazy for someone who creates so many assists

 

[WPUknight]

(1) that’s absurd
(2) even if somehow you are right, if he comes back and plays well next year that is still coming out of the slump

Have people already forgotten the epic RHJ slump of 2021? He recovered

Of course I meant for this season. .

And how do I know? Have you been watching any games? His confidence is SHOT! He passes up wide open looks now and when he actually shoots they all come up short so you know he is hesitant to shoot the ball.

Obviously hope I'm wrong but I would shocked if we see the Nov/Dec Cam Spencer again this season.

 

[fluoxetine]

Of course I meant for this season. .

And how do I know? Have you been watching any games? His confidence is SHOT! He passes up wide open looks now and when he actually shoots they all come up short so you know he is hesitant to shoot the ball.

Obviously hope I'm wrong but I would shocked if we see the Nov/Dec Cam Spencer again this season.

You have no idea what you're talking about lol.

 

[WPUknight]

You have no idea what you're talking about lol.

Okay lets hear it...what am I so wrong about?

 

[JavaDunk18]

Need to set up “Shooter’s” Picket Fence for Cam.
Wisconsin did it all the time for those annoying, pesky guards. Purdue & Iowa too.

 

[MiloTalon13]

Need to set up “Shooter’s” Picket Fence for Cam.
Wisconsin did it all the time for those annoying, pesky guards. Purdue & Iowa too.

Now boys don't get caught watchin' the paint dry

 

[rudad02]

This! %

This also!

 

[fluoxetine]

Okay lets hear it...what am I so wrong about?

You have no idea when Cam Spencer will or will not start shooting better. You’re just a guy who’s apparently dumb enough to watch someone have a few bad games and think it will continue forever. Your posts on the subject offer absolutely nothing of value.

 

[RUDiddy777]

You have no idea what you're talking about lol.

Yeah. Cams incredibly mentally tough. He will be fine. Seems like he’s had an incredibly high number of in and outs with his misses.

For the 1000th time, I would really would like to see Paul step it up on offense. He’s more than capable…

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

This thread did not age well - at all!

Scarlet Jerry

 

[S.W.A.I.N]

This thread did not age well - at all!

Scarlet Jerry

So many experts.

 

[mugrat86]

His confidence is shot right now.

Great post

 

[RUJMM78]

Spencer with 17 points in the first half.

 

[Scarletnut]

Might as well lock/delete this thread. Slump is over

 

[Scangg]

Only a complete moron would think Cam somehow forgot how to shoot. There is no coherent logical argument to be made supporting such an absurd take

 

[ScarletDave]

Only a complete moron would think Cam somehow forgot how to shoot. There is no coherent logical argument to be made supporting such an absurd take

Caleb was in a “slump” because he was getting 3 shots a game and Caleb was getting 24

 

[fluoxetine]

Of course I meant for this season. .

And how do I know? Have you been watching any games? His confidence is SHOT! He passes up wide open looks now and when he actually shoots they all come up short so you know he is hesitant to shoot the ball.

Obviously hope I'm wrong but I would shocked if we see the Nov/Dec Cam Spencer again this season.

Lol idiot

 

[Scarlet Shack]

His confidence is shot right now.

The OP is usually good …but this another one of the ridic oosts we have seen on this forum this week