In Stoops era the last 7 games of each season, Stoops is 0-18 against power 5 programs.
Thats all that needs to be said.
Thats all that needs to be said.
Can Stoops finally beat someone in the last 7 games in year 4?
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Would he even have a job at any SEC school not named Kentucky or Vanderbilt? No.
he said p5. not peay5.
No coach is handed a program as bad as Stoops was handed either.
There is absolutely no reason to lose to Vanderbilt.
There are many here that see tremendous improvement and Vandy is the game to prove it.
I'm still not sure that USCjr is just really bad and that Bama toyed with us - although the energy level on defense was very much improved.
There are many here that see tremendous improvement and Vandy is the game to prove it.
I'm still not sure that USCjr is just really bad and that Bama toyed with us - although the energy level on defense was very much improved.
Vandy had back to back 2-10 seasons prior to hiring Franklin ( 9 win seasons in year 2 and 3)
4 years ago Southern Miss was 0-12 and then 1-11 the next season
2 years ago Troy was 3-9
Western wasn't even D1 until 2009
Just sayin'
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Scanning the threads earlier quite a few on this board seem to be chalking up the Vandy game as an automatic win for some odd reason. If you ask me it's a toss-up at best. It's going to be really really tough for Stoops and Co to get another P5 win this season. That Vandy game will be a dog fight and at this point I would give them the slight edge.
....Signed
____________________ Bill Snyder, Kansas St
____________________ James Franklin, Vandy
____________________ Dave Cutcliffe, Duke
____________________ Jim Grobe, Wake Forest
____________________ Gary Barnett, Northwestern
____________________ Art Briles, Baylor
____________________ Art Briles, Houston
____________________ June Jones, Hawaii
____________________ Dennis Franchione, TCU
____________________ Dennis Franchione, New Mexico
____________________ Mark Mangino, Kansas
____________________ Paul Johnson, Navy
____________________ Al Golden, Temple
____________________ Willie Taggart, WKU
____________________ George O'Leary, UCF
____________________ Ralph Friedgen, Maryland
____________________ Mike Leach, Washington St
If he cant beat Vandy with all the players he recuited then he needs to go
How does that excuse losing to Southern Miss in year 4 in an opener? Taking EKU to OT? Blowing a 21-0 lead at home to our arch rival foe bowl eligibility? Failing to convert a game winning score at 1st and goal v Vanderbilt?
I hate agreeing with Matt Jones on football but he nailed it today. He HAS to beat Vandy. There is no scenario that results in him winning more than 3 or 4 and being let go if he cant beat Vandy. 100% no way we make a bowl.
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Save vandy, those teams don't play close to the same strength of schedule as us.
What Franklin did at vandy was fantastic, doesn't mean it's a good standard to judge our coach by/other coaches in a comparable situation
That's pretty funny....considering he was responding to a post that did exactly that:
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BARRYBLUE1 said:
"No coach is handed a program as bad as Stoops was handed either."
And? Just because one coach did it doesn't mean it's the right standard to judge everyone by. I'm not saying brooks was a juggernaut here but he did enjoy some success. If we'd measured him against franklin, he would've been let go.
One coach? Do you honestly think a 3-4 year turn around has occurred only once at Vandy?
Here are a few more to chew on: Bill Snyder, Kansas St; Dave Cutcliffe, Duke; Jim Grobe, Wake Forest; Gary Barnett, Northwestern; Art Briles, Baylor; Artt Briles, Houston; June Jones, Hawaii; Dennis Franchione, TCU; Dennis Franchione, New Mexico; Mark Mangino, Kansas; Paul Johnson, Navy; Al Golden, Temple; Willie Taggart, WKU; George O'Leary, UCF; Ralph Friedgen, Maryland; Mike Leach, Washington St.
For those who say "But they're not facing a SEC Schedule!".....News flash. Alabama is a GREAT SEC team. A&M a strong team. Three fourths of our conference ranges from pedestrian (UF, UGA) to terrible (Vandy, UK, SC). The SEC East has been down for years, and we squandered the opportunity to climb the ladder with our AD's coaches-on-training-wheels strategy.
Regardless, SEC affiliation and schedule have NOTHING to do with us losing to the likes of So Miss and WKU......barely escaping EKU. We certainly weren't beaten down by our SEC wars when we played and lost to So Miss in the first game of the season.
The SEC excuse is worn thin. Doesn't apply because all coaches face near-peer competition in their conferences. Some get it done. Others fail. We're not getting it done.
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Thank you. Finally some logic and common sense in this den of pantywasting and excuse making.
I don't want to go through every one of these, but many of them are bad examples. Take cutcliffe; through 4 years at duke, he didn't have much to show for it. Come to think of it, how in the world do you think that his record supports your point?
You can call it an excuse if you want, but we play in the most competitive conference in college football. Fact.
None of the teams listed are in the SEC. The SEC is a different animal than the weak teams you mentioned.
Of course being in the SEC is a excuse. The SEC teams have home grown recruiting that Kentucky will never have no matter who the coach is. Look at T A&M, I would bet that 70 percent of their players come from Texas.
I can remember a time when ole miss was our *****. Homecoming game, almost every year.
I get the competiveness of the SEC argument to a degree but what's that have to do with not being able to beat SMU, EKU, WKU, playing point for point with NMSU, etc.
Cutcliff was 3-9 at duke his fourth year and didn't obtain a bowl bid till year five (finished 6-7).
Bill Snyder did not reach a bowl bid till year five at Kansas state first time around. (Did won seven games year three, but fell below 500 following yea
Jim grobe record in year 4 and five was 4-7.
Gary Barnett had great years in years 3 and four, but year 5 and 6 fell too 5-7 and then 3-9
Briles and Franklin had success at their first job, but Franklin at penn state hasn't been great.
The rest of the list was comprised of mostly non power five schools. So what you are saying is most good coaches down turn it around into year 5? If that is it, stoops deserves another year.
Bill Snyder did not reach a bowl bid till year five at Kansas state first time around. (Did won seven games year three, but fell below 500 following yea
Jim grobe record in year 4 and five was 4-7.
Gary Barnett had great years in years 3 and four, but year 5 and 6 fell too 5-7 and then 3-9
Briles and Franklin had success at their first job, but Franklin at penn state hasn't been great.
The rest of the list was comprised of mostly non power five schools. So what you are saying is most good coaches down turn it around into year 5? If that is it, stoops deserves another year.
First: Vandy is on the list.
Second: Only a few teams in the SEC are elite, and they are in the SECW....the rest are on par with other P5 teams or worse. Either way....SEC East is/has been down, and our permanent SECW foe is MSU--not a world beater. We don't play Bama, LSU, A&M, Auburn, Ole Miss and Arkansas annually.
Also, "SEC" has nothing to do underwhelming performances Vs So Miss, WKU, EKU, etc, etc, etc.
The "weak" teams on the list are mentioned because they are traditional bottom feeders who have AD's who hired good coaches who turned them from "weak" to winners in their respective tenures.
Try again.
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Wow! Talk about cherry picking!
--Grobe won 6 games in season one and 7 in season two, and you choose to focus on a back slide in year 4 & 5. You forgot to mention he went to the Orange bowl as ACC champs in year 6. Regardless, I think season 1 and 2 performance proved my point.
--Barnett took lowly Northwestern to the Rose Bowl in season four (I'll take it) which proves my point.
--Snyder won 7 games in year 3 which proves my point.
--Briles and Franklin had great success quickly at traditional bottom feeder schools which proves my point.
--Correct that it took Cutcliffe 5 years to get above .500 but he was an established HC at Ole Miss going to four bowls in six years including a SECW division crown. An experienced hand may get some extra time (because he earned it)...especially considering Duke was in worse shape than UK.
This is funny how the AD/HC apologists hold successful coaches at other schools to standards that they would NEVER apply to UK. If some think these coaches didn't meet the mark, they must have an untreatable case Big Blue amnesia when evaluating the hometown team.
Maybe we just just quit then . It's not like we live in a hotbed of football talent like Louisville. Hmmmm
It did take Cutcliffe 5 years to get above .500 but he was an established HC at Ole Miss going to four bowls in six years including a SECW division crown. An experienced hand may get some extra time (because of his track record, he earned it). Cutcliffe shows no matter how bad your team is, a good coaching hire can turn it around. Duke was in worse shape IMO than UK. Now they can beat ND at South Bend. I'd take that.
As far as SEC being the most competitive conference...maybe but we don't play be toughest teams with great frequency. If you exclude the six teams we don't play annually out of the SECW--our task is not nearly daunting as if we had to play bama, ole miss, LSU, auburn, Arkansas, and A&M every year (as does our permanent SECW opponent--MSU).
Those are very ugly blemishes you listed.
I am really hoping Coach Stoops is a better head coach today and we get to 6 wins....
You cant be serious...I would explain all of the cases of equally worse or worse programs coaches were handed but others already have. All of these players on this team were Stoops doing. How do you explain losing to CUSA in year 4 with all players you receuited for your style of ball. Just plain ridiculous.
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Beating Vandy is anything but a monumental task. UK should handle Vandy with ease! This is not a battle of two of the top coaches in the game. Cats by at least a touchdown if they have any moxie at all.
Everyone keeps mentioning we are in year four. Those schools might of had success with one year (those coaches didn't build those rosters of upperclassman on years 2 and 3. But showed in the year you keep using stoops can't get it done, that those coaches struggled into also.
Cutcliff "deserves" an extra year at duke because he was successful at ole miss. But was ran out of town, he got lucky that a super bowl winning qb had very loyal ties to the program and committed there. You give stoops a russell Wilson, Eli manning, Aaron Rogers or any other Super Bowl winning qb and I promise you we will look ten times better.
Grobe won with a team that was handed to him in first two years, but when his players became upper class man he struggled in years three and four. Before turning it around in year five. Did stoops have a roster that should of won 6 and seven games in years one and two? I would bet nick saban wasn't going to win six with those teams that spoosed be sec.
Barnett went to a rose bowl in year four. Yes. But if he couldn't build on that team and go winless in the big ten just two years after tells me maybe he wasn't the coach to lead a team to the promise land. , but struck gold with a team that had a lot of talent. He also got out of town before the fire under his seat got to much to handle. He ended up with a losing record overall. With 10 and nine win seasons. The other five he was 16-30-1.
If you want to use a list of coaches just giving you the other facts that makes them a good coach. The argument is in year four. But these guys have listed might of won at schools that was accustomed to losing. It took a while to maintain success
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