I didn't want him benched, I just don't want him standing in the pocket and fumbling all the time
Can't believe some folks wanted Johnson benched
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546 total yards is pretty good offense. He has some fumbling issues but it's not the first time a new QB starting in the SEC needed to figure stuff like that out. Asking the kid to be Peyton Manning isn't fair and the guy behind him isn't either. If 546 yards of offense isn't good enough for you then you are expecting Peyton Manning.
But again it's only a bad play if he fumbles. If he would listen on what to do with the ball, he wouldn't be doing it as much. He has to be a threat to run the ball in this offense so he has to learn securing the ball.
If 564 yards of offense and 295 through the air with a passer rating of 145.5 isn't good enough, then you do.
I never asked him to be Peyton Manning, 8 fumbles in 5 games is all :chairshot:
I know right. At the half so many posts calling for Hoak. We don't know what he can do. We do know he has never taken a college snap. People need to get real, if Johnson and/or Barker stays healthy we will not see Hoak
I see this as an easy thing to understand because coaches want to win more then anything I think. First talent may be the least of Hoak's problems. Maybe he hasn't grasped the playbook yet, or his decision making and accuracy is off. We know he's not being hit in practice so he's not going to be ready for that. We have accused Brooks, Joker, and Stoops with the same question and yet not one of those QBs ever came forward and were an instant success. Usually HCs sees how their guy does in practice and expects it to happen on the field and when it doesn't they do seem to allow more tolerance.
I was sick about his inaccuracy at the half, and later livid with the fumble scoop 6, but I give up. The kid is a competitor, even if inconsistent, and I am just going live and die with him the rest of the way. Other than the fumble (yes, huge) he was lights out the 2nd half.
He's not a great QB by any means, but he's serviceable. He played much better in the second half but he's got to limit the fumbles.
How would you know if he is a fumble factory or not until he is given the chance, that is a coaching decision.
Still trying to figure out where you are going with this one.
Is getting better each game...if he can whip the fumbling bugaboo I don't think DP gets the job back.
The fumbles are obnoxious, but I don't know how I'd feel about benching SJ at this point in the season. I didn't like the call to bench Towles so late in the season last year, although I realize we were already broken down by the time Stoops did. Really wanted to beat UL, and kind of feel like that ruined that. SJ actually appears to be gaining momentum.
There old saying is the best player on the team is the backup. Until we get him.
The team plays for him. They didn't respond as well for Barker. I don't know why, they just didn't.
He showed a heck of a lot of guys on that last drive. Pretty good make up after the fumble and the penalty.
He's the guy barring injury. The coaches would have already pulled How's red shirt if they thought he could do this. If there's an injury, we are likely to see wildcat with Kemp or Snell from then on.
The team plays for him. They didn't respond as well for Barker. I don't know why, they just didn't.
He showed a heck of a lot of guys on that last drive. Pretty good make up after the fumble and the penalty.
He's the guy barring injury. The coaches would have already pulled How's red shirt if they thought he could do this. If there's an injury, we are likely to see wildcat with Kemp or Snell from then on.
This thought process that Hoak isn't being played simply bc Stoops doesn't want to burn a redshirt has got to stop. If Hoak was the better option, based on seeing him in practice for the past 3 months, he would be in the game. Stoops is going to play who he feels gives us the best chance to win. In this case, it's Johnson.
And 2 fumbles. He played just fine, but he does this every game. It almost killed us this time. We were literally 4 yards from icing the game, and he gives up a 95 yard fumble return. It can't keep happening.
I never thought that he should be benched but he has shown a propensity of losing the ball. Last week alone, he had two fumbles and both resulted in TD’s for Miss St.
None of you can tell me that when he losses the ball that you don’t get a kick in the gut. Be honest, that last fumble when we’re inside the 10, getting ready to go up by 17 points and put the game away. But instead the ball is knocked out and Miss St scoops and scores and we need a heroic effort to kick a field goal in the last three seconds. Got to give him credit as well. We would not have been in a position to score if he didn’t make the 18 yard pass competition at the end.
None of you can tell me that when he losses the ball that you don’t get a kick in the gut. Be honest, that last fumble when we’re inside the 10, getting ready to go up by 17 points and put the game away. But instead the ball is knocked out and Miss St scoops and scores and we need a heroic effort to kick a field goal in the last three seconds. Got to give him credit as well. We would not have been in a position to score if he didn’t make the 18 yard pass competition at the end.
This. The old saying winning cures all ills is alive and well when discussing Johnson. Hes serviceable. At times, good. But his ball security is atrocious. His fumbles must stop. Hes had 2 I can think of that went for scoop and scores. The last one against MSU almost cost us the game. Anything besides a scoop and score, and we almost surely blow them out.
Our margin for error is so slim, we cant afford to just keep giving the ball away. Especially when it results in defensive TDs. More especially when the rest of the team has been very secure carrying the ball all season.
To make matters worse, every single team will try to hold him up and strip him on every run. So he either corrects it, or we're in for more of the same.
He had 2 possible TDs that were as much bad throws as they were drops. They shouldve been TDs for sure. But his poor throw put the receiver in a position to have to go up and make a much more difficult catch than required. They still shouldve caught it though.
I feel like we need a montage for SJ like first take had for Tebow...
All he does is win baby...it may be ugly and it may not be because of nice, pretty, cookie cutter passing, he may even turn the ball over at the most inopportune times, but by god the team is winning.
Folks, SJ is the starter going forward. The team, specifically the offense, needs to be designed around him and his abilities.
For the first time Since Woodson and the peak of the Brooks era we have a team and offense with an identity and the squad seems have some confidence in what they are doing.
There appears to be some chemistry and confidence with them and they are clicking.
All he does is win baby...it may be ugly and it may not be because of nice, pretty, cookie cutter passing, he may even turn the ball over at the most inopportune times, but by god the team is winning.
Folks, SJ is the starter going forward. The team, specifically the offense, needs to be designed around him and his abilities.
For the first time Since Woodson and the peak of the Brooks era we have a team and offense with an identity and the squad seems have some confidence in what they are doing.
There appears to be some chemistry and confidence with them and they are clicking.
The fumble against MSU though wasn't a sack situation, it was a read option play and he pulled the ball then followed Snell through the hole and got stood up and stripped. I believe Johnson's fumble problem has to do with his overall strength in general, he is not a big guy and just not very strong, that's just my two cents.
I wasn't referring to his run fumble , he has several fumbles in the pocket this year . He fumbles in general and the run you speak of is another example of how he doesn't keep the ball close to his body . He's not strong , so he needs better technique to compensate for that .
Agree, has t cover the with both hands and take the sack instead of trying to make something happen with his legs once he is in the grasp. I just assumed we were talking about the scoop and score against MSU since that was his latest TO. We all know what assuming does. lol
Not hard. Being on a team that's successful isn't absolute proof that you're the best option at your position
I don't want him benched because he's likely our best option. But let's not pretend he's perfect.
For every great play he makes, he makes 5 or 6 awful ones.
For every great play he makes, he makes 5 or 6 awful ones.
That horrible pick he just threw is one reason people remain skeptical. He shouldve had two more picks they dropped. No matter the stats Johnson lives on the edge and is always a play away from helping the other team. He lives dangerously at the least.
Not a great QB throwing the ball. Wish we had someone else at QB. JMO. Been following since 1966. GBB
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