collierville coach forced to resign for yelling/cussing

[tommyboy1520]

http://www.wmctv.com/stor...-audio-posted-to-youtube

What this story doesn't mention is that this all came about because of 3 kids who were butthurt that they weren't getting enough playing time. So one of them, encouraged by his parents, uses his phone to record the rant and then posted it to youtube. From there, the school forced him to resign.

I'd like to think that the rest of the team would take care of these 3 for doing that, but it sounds like the Collierville High football team is full of pussies. I'm so sick of political correctness.

 

[tommyboy1520]

http://www.wmctv.com/stor...-audio-posted-to-youtube

What this story doesn't mention is that this all came about because of 3 kids who were butthurt that they weren't getting enough playing time. So one of them, encouraged by his parents, uses his phone to record the rant and then posted it to youtube. From there, the school forced him to resign.

I'd like to think that the rest of the team would take care of these 3 for doing that, but it sounds like the Collierville High football team is full of pussies. I'm so sick of political correctness.

 

[tommyboy1520]

http://www.wmctv.com/stor...-audio-posted-to-youtube

What this story doesn't mention is that this all came about because of 3 kids who were butthurt that they weren't getting enough playing time. So one of them, encouraged by his parents, uses his phone to record the rant and then posted it to youtube. From there, the school forced him to resign.

I'd like to think that the rest of the team would take care of these 3 for doing that, but it sounds like the Collierville High football team is full of pussies. I'm so sick of political correctness.

 

[KurtRambis4]

him should kick that kid off the team. That is ridiculous. Nice parents, by the way.

 

[BehrDawg]

These players are pussies if they can't handle that. There's no room for softness in football. If you don't have thick skin, stay your *** at home. I wonder what these little **** do when they get their skulls rocked in practice...probably cry. Bitches.

 

[Incognegro]

it's easier to tolerate things whenever you win. From the sounds of it...this team was the furthest thing from a power house. That could lead to players that just do not enjoy the game any more which could lead to situations like that. Although I think it's weak, I have a hard time feeling sympathetic for either side. As a high school coach, you have to already have some sort of understanding that the school board doesn't tolerate profanity or any hostile behavior. So he shouldn't be surprised by the outcome since he put himself in a situation that one of his players could use against him if they wanted it gone. I wonder if it was more of the kid wanting him gone instead of him not being able to tolerate it.<div>
</div><div>Sucks, but that's just how it is.</div>

 

[Dental Dawg]

But can he coach?

 

[abitadawg]

That yelling and cussing and kicking the garbage can **** motivates me. After listening to that I'm about to DESTROY some spreadsheets.

 

[coach66]

that the times they have changed. I find it difficult to coach 9 and 10 years old kids without yelling at some of them because you simply can't get their attention otherwise. It does hurt some of their feelings and that of the parents and I can feel the retina burns from the parents when little Johnny gets called out for not doing his job. In the old days the coach was accepted as a tough guy that had free reign to motivate kids to get the most out of them that he possibly could. It was also accepted back then that it was part of maturing and becoming a better player and person. Getting your *** chewed out by the coach was just part of the deal.<div>
</div><div>Parents are always the worst part of coaching. Most parents all think their kid is special and deserves special treatment. The coach that gets the parents and the kid to understand otherwise has put that kid on a path to success and has played an important part in the "it takes a village to raise a kid" mantra. I really hate having to put some kids at QB and RB in a game just to prove to them and their parents that this isn't his future, just have fun and play hard where the coach puts you, 99% of the time the coach has it right. I must admit it is sort of fun to watch them get their *** busted though and to see the look on their face and the parents.</div>

 

[wcvet.sixpack]

all kids are different and figuring out how to motivate them is a difficult part of a coaches job. If this bothered the kids I wonder how they would react when Bubba from county high knocks their teeth out. It sounded like this was a situation where the team wanted him gone and this was just the avenue they choose to get rid of him.

 

[blackjackdog2]

Not every kid responds to being cussed. There are some kids that come from an environment where they think there name is mother17er but most kids still don't appreciate being talked to like this. The coach I had in high school used very similar language to this coach but it only made me despise him. It also made most of our players talk and act like animals, much like our coach. I have been in the locker rooms of two different SEC programs on multiple occasions and yes the coaches do go on rants at times but these kids are receiving scholarships. Also I would expect professional football players to expect this type of rant due to them being paid. If I was the parent of one of these players I would not want my child exposed to this type of behavior. If this was an isolated one time rant I might excuse it but from the comments posted about the man this was more the norm. I am sure that the coach would not want another person to talk to any of his family like this either. I hope more coaches will take notice of this on the high school level. I am all for motivating young men by encouraging them and teaching and yes sometimes you have to get loud in order to emphasize what you are saying but there is no place for the verbal abuse these young men had to take from this raging lunatic. Good riddance.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

As expected, the SPS Al Bundys are lining up to support this coach. "If you can't handle that.....blah blah blah." "I heard much worse." "Back when I played, that was nothing..." Uhhhh...OK.

Here's the bottom line. If you have to yell and scream and cuss to try and make a point like that to a group of high schoolers, then they never believed in you in the first place. That tirade was doomed from the start and proved to not only be ineffectual, but also his ultimate undoing. Probably best that fella moves on.

 

[EAVdog]

The only way anyone can side with the players in this situation is they are either: currently a High School kid, never been around current High School kids, or are the parents of these types of High School kids.
I've had the pleasure (or displeasure) of giving project reviews to a number of Architecture students at a few Universities since I've graduated. And I have a number of friends who are professors (hence the guest crit role). I can tell you students are just different than they were when I was in school. There are certainly exceptions to the rule but Universally the students are incapable of thinking for themselves when they first get to College. They simply cannot take independent initiative, yet they all think they are going to be "starArchitects". As soon as you give them constructive criticism, even in a positive way, they immediately become extremely defensive and abrasive. I truly have come to the opinion that for many of them it's the first time they've ever been told that their poop in fact does smell bad. And so much of that comes down to the parents, you'd be shocked if you knew how many College age parents will call professors and argue that their little Johnny or Suzie deserves a better grade. I mean damn, they are in College! I would have been too embarassed to show up to class the following semester if my Mommy ever called one of my professors.
Sneaking around and getting the Coach fired, over a pretty mild rant to be honest, will do nothing but reinforce the mindset that nothing is these kids fault. I guarantee that the next Coach will have a losing record with that bunch of sniveling brats.

*and before anyone calls me an old fart, I'm not that old. I don't know when it happened but it seems like in just 10 years time our countries youth have been massively wussified*

**Also add, I know plenty of exceptions to my argument. Definitely generalizing here**

 

[MrHooch]

and I am not being sarcastic... with a lot (most) teenagers and especially ones that 'make the cut' to be an athlete, there comes a point when you HAVE TO YELL at them. They are to young/dumb/self-centered to take notice any other way. 17 these crybaby kids, 17 their crybaby parents, and 17 anybody who disagrees with me... yeah, you too!

(I'm sorry for yelling)

 

[Buford T. Justice]

I think high school sports should be about teaching points. Kids need to learn how to win and also how to lose. They should learn about hard work and the rewards that come with it (the government is trying to destroy this principal). They also should learn toughness, both physical and mental. Our coach would dog-cuss us. I was mentally tough enough to handle it, as were my teammates. If I were to mention it to my parents, they would have said, "Suck it up. Life isn't always fair. You chose to play. Prove something to the coach. Etc." The fact that some kids today can't take a good ole' fashioned ***-chewing shows a lack of mental toughness. Take your cussing like a man, then go prove to that coach that you aren't the worthless s.o.b. he says you are.

Parents protect their kids way too much. Kids need to learn life skills. Getting along with authority and survival in adverse situations is something that many lack. It is why kids get out of college in May, and in June mommy and daddy are still paying their car payment, heath insurance, etc. Pitiful.

I'll give you an example. My kid was in third grade and he got in trouble. Apparently when everyone went to the bathroom, he stayed in there too long because he had an upset stomach and needed a bowel movement (which was true because he had an upset stomach when we sent him to school). Because of the length of time he was in there, he got in trouble because the teacher assumed he was in there just playing around like 3rd graders do. She made him sit out recess. When he told me how the teacher had punished him, I also punished him. I know he did nothing wrong. Hell, he had to take a dump. However, the bottom line that I told him was this, "I send you to school to learn and stay out of trouble. You had better figure out how to do that. You didn't do that and I don't give a crap whose fault it is. You got in trouble". I punished him at home because he got in trouble. Period. I think he thought I was going to straighten the teacher out. He was wrong.

 

[dawgoneyall]

other than hop-scotch?

 

[seshomoru]

The best coach I ever had actually apologized to the team when he let the word "****" slip out once. He wasn't some pansy, let's all be happy guy. He could get stern when he thought your effort wasn't where he expected it to be. Most of the time that was in the form of having the pleasure of not playing in the next game. In practice, you got some extra one on one assistance until you put in the effort he wanted. But I honestly never heard the guy raise his voice. The team loved playing for him. We loved practice, and we all got much better as the season went on. We respected him because he came across as authentic and coached as if he truly wanted to help us.

The worst coach I ever had completely lost the team beforeone game. He went on some profanity laced rant about how we were all a bunch of pussies and nobody cared. (Wasn't the first such rant). He had half the team laughing at how stupid he looked. We never got the sense that he actually wanted to coach us, but that he envisioned himself as sometough as nailsmotivator that could fire you up with a bunch of cuss words and threats. Our starting pictcher that game actually walked up to me and said, "Screw this, I'm walking as many batters in a row until he takes me out. I want to see him completley lose it."

I'm certainly guilty of letting a little profane language slip out occasionaly, but I do try to check myself. Some say it has it's purpose. I just say it makes you look unintelligent and ineffective at what you do.

 

[Buford T. Justice]

Our starting pictcher that game actually walked up to me and said, "Screw this, I'm walking as many batters in a row until he takes me out. I want to see him completley lose it."

This is part of the problem. This is why some people need to toughen up. You had a guy actually trying to lose on purpose. That's unreal. You've got a guy who would walk people on purpose to make a point, even if it means losing. This is the kind of individual who "picks up his ball and goes home" because he doesn't get what he wanted. The fact that he would tell you this and you let him get away with it is also pretty bad. I can't imagine a teammate coming up to me in a game and saying, "I'm going to fumble this ball on purpose in a tie game so coach will take me out". I would never stand for that. Never! This mentality is where the problem occurs. <font size="4"><span style="font-weight: bold;">"Screw this, I'm walking as many batters in a row until he takes me out."</span></font> Unbelievable.

 

[hulkbuster]

I'm a D line coach at high school football team in my area and I have a perspective on this subject. I was a DE for a back 2 back state championship team when I was in high school. My HC was hard but he was fair (main reason he left my high school was politics & stuff). But football w/ him helped prepare me for my military career & taught me about being fair. He cussed like a sailor and rode us hard but when we got our rings it was all worth it. Now that i'm a coach I understand why he was somewhat angry. Kids just "going through the motions" to "slide by". Lying, disrespectful glares and looks, parents whispers one minute the next they are patting u on the back. The list goes on, I don't cuss my kids as I havr devoted my life recently to Jesus my Lord & Saviour...but it doesn't mean I don't yell or get VERY vocal when I see one of my DE's "titty fighting" instead of ripping through, or one of my DT's being slow "out of the blocks" and not using thier hands. I feel sorry for our nations youth, not only is the no father at home issue a problem but now you have kids doing thibgs like this too. Like "Boys of Fall" says, being a coach is a SPECIAL job. He's a mentor, a father & a friend. I'm glad I had the coaches I had when I was a kid. It taught me a LOT of stuff & prepared me. But I don't do EVERYTHING the way they did it. It's kinda like being a dad. I want better for my son & daughter than I had ..and that includes being a better dad & coach.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..didn't one of the delicate young flowers on the baseball team get his feelings hurt over Cohen cussing? Or was that a fan? Too lazy to look it up. Funny how after Cohen got within 9 outs of the CWS, all that nonsense was suddenly forgotten.

Bottom line is everybody in society cusses these days: Even PG-13 movies are full of F bombs.


To expect a coach to break from a societal norm & keep the language clean while trying to inspire a bunch of youngsters to reach their maximum limit physically...it's ********.

 

[EAVdog]

That rant was pretty weak and seemed to list a few items that he was directly responding to. I'm not for a whole lot of cussing but serisouly I've heard way worse on HBO, way worse. You know these kids have to.

 

[Buford T. Justice]

I am not saying that "all coaches should cuss" or "cussing helps you be a better coach". However, I think kids need to learn to deal with all manner of situations. If a coach raises hell, you need to learn something from it. You can learn mental toughness and perseverance. Crying to mama just teaches kids that somebody will always take care of them when they think they aren't treated exactly the way they think they should be treated. When they become 20-somethings, they still have their parents powdering their rear-ends for them. The sayings "life isn't always fair" and "life isn't always a fairy tale" are valid, and kids need to learn that.

 

[seshomoru]

He had a scholly to a D1 school wrapped up because of the way he performed in the summer ball circuit. He didn't care at all about playing for our high school coach, and neither did any of us. We ended up simply playing just to hang out with each other and get out of class occasionally. At the age of 15 to 18, you can't expect them to run through a brick wall because you call them pussies every day. High school ball turned into a joke because he was. The title of coach doesn't mean a thing if you don't act like one. You don't get effort and respect just because you've lived longer.

 

[Buford T. Justice]

Not liking or respecting a coach is one thing. Purposely tanking a game is another. I might not respect the coach, but I respect myself, the game, and my teammates enough to give an effort.

 

[BehrDawg]

All of mine, were like this guy. And this what my teams did
10th Grade-Class 5A State Champions-FL
12th Grade-Class 4A State Champions-MS
JUCO-National Champs

My coaches all yelled and screamed and dog cussed us...when we DESERVED it. Not one player on any of these teams ever whined and bitched about it. Everyone respected the coach. If you didn't, you did not have a place on the team. We don't know the whole story on this guy or the team. But if all he did was yell at them for acting like a bunch of pussies, then they deserved it and this guy got screwed.

It's just the way it is.

 

[Mutt the Hoople.buhoops]

Our coaches always made a point of never cussing us, nor calling us out individually and humiliating us. It was all about respect. We were expected to respect our coaches- "Yes sirs" and "No sirs" all around. In return, the coaches also respected us. That didn't keep the coaches from working our asses until they dragged, nor did it keep us from going 23-1 my last two seasons. It was just that when we were worked to within an inch of our lives, we knew it was so we'd be fresh in the 4th quarter and would be mentally tough. You don't have to be R. Lee Ermey to do that.<div>
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[hulkbuster]

Behrdawg is right. It's like what I heard Bill Curry say once; "there's no nice way to learn to olay football. Only sweating it out in 100 degree heat, after yoyr legs are shot, your arms are burning, your feet have blisters and knowing the guy across from you feels the same exact way. And the competitive nature deep inside you wants the guy across from you to fall while your the one still standing. Only then can you know what's like. Not riding around the car in the A/C eating twinkies." We won back 2 back state championships and the last year didn't know what defeat tasted like. I played w/ 4 guys who high level D1 football. 2 were LBs for Sherrill, 1 went 2 Notre Dame & another to Clemson. All these guys were on the same defense w/ me. 2 of those 4 played in the NFL. Top tier players performing because of these "cussing football" coaches. We were blessed to have them and thier knowledge of the game. I wouldn't have traded my experience for anything. Blessed is what I was & am.

 

[seshomoru]

High school baseball is pretty unimportant. I have taken absolutely zero positive life lessons from my experiences there. Summer circuit? Absolutely. It's where scholarships are earned, and it's where you learned more about the game. High school baseball is nothing like high school football in that regard.

Perhaps if our highschool coach had showed some interest in helping us compete instead of just berating us incessantly, it would have changed our attitude. I'm not saying some well placed intensity has no merit. As I mentioned earlier, the best coach I ever had was intense. But he was intense with respect and an attitude that earned effort. My high school coach was an overly intense caricature of a coach who appeared to enjoy cussing at teenagers because he knew we couldn't talk back. Coaches lose teams all the time, and he lost us bad. Maybe if we were playing for a salary we would have gutted up. But this was high school baseball, and it became a game to us to see how bad we could make him lose it. He had no respect for us or the game, so what the heck.

I'll give a specific example of how rotten the guy was:

Short stop short hops a throw the first. Scoopable probably, but the first baseman missed. First words are "Godamnit, (redacted)! Can you not catch a 17ing baseball!!!!" Assistant coach notices our first baseman is rolling on the ground holding his ankle and says, "I think the runner stepped on him, he looks hurt."

Our coaches response? "He deserves it if he's gonna keep 17ing up like that."

Our assistant coaches had to pretty much plead us out of the locker room for the next practice. When I'm saying he lost the team, I mean the entire team almost quit.

One of our favorites was to ignore steal and bunt signs just to see how long he would make us stay after the game to "learn" them. I don't feel bad about any of it whatsoever. The guy was awful, and a bunch of teenagers found a way to get through it. The funny thing was that we became a pretty close team and actually ended up winning a lot of games and going deep in the playoffs.

 

[gtowndawg]

personally, all the yelling and screaming did nothing for me. I just didn't respond to that for some reason. The very best coach(s) I had in football, basketball and baseball were all super calm and would yell once in a while. But when they yelled it got my attention...they used it when appropriate. And for those type coaches we went:

-Undefeated in football
-Won our district in basketball
-Won our summer league in baseball.

Like I say, I just think it depends on the coach and how the players react.

 

[midnightrambler]

Being freshly removed from the high school and collegiate baseball scene I understand this pretty well. Had two coaches in high school and one in college all of which cussed the dog **** out of us, but it was the timing of the chewings that either pissed you off or motivated you. My first HS coach was an *** and always looked for a reason to call out each of the players and embarrass them dropping uncalled for F bombs that did nothing but make the team hate him. Win or lose, all year long, it was always a f*ck here a f*ck you there and no one could comprehend why he was such an *******, needless to say he was fired after that year, hated by the community as well. After he was fired it led him and his cronies to say (as some people here have already stated) that this whole generation was a bunch of "pussies" and the whole back in my day we were a different breed and that's how we liked it, which isn't even believable. Same coach cried to his mom after games according to the ones who used to play with him.

Next coach comes in who is a respectable guy but, still cusses us regularly but only when we as a team or a player played with no energy or "give a ****" and truly needed it. I can say that a few of the "pussies" did quit because some people can't handle it, but all of the real ball players understood it and used it to grow from and for motivation with a much better season than the previous (30-7 or so). With several D-1 signees.

College leads to the worst cussing you could imagine, but at the same time it was to make the him a better player as well as person. Few people still couldn't handle it and led them to transfer which happens everywhere. But these transfers consist of the **** heads who had the attitude of "he's gonna talk to me like that then f*ck this". The rest of the team still respected it.

Cursing and yelling will always have a place in athletics everywhere and this generation is no different from yours (about cussing and yelling, obviously many other differences), it motivated us just as much as you claim it did for you. As for what happened in Collierville that is pretty ridiculous and really the parents should receive a great deal of the blame for telling the kid to do such a thing, regardless the kid was a joke for doing it.

 

[Todd4State]

and apparently they couldn't take Cohen's cussing- which is highly up for debate. It's pretty much hearsay on their part from people that were butt hurt that Polk didn't get his way- my opinion about the people being butt hurt.

My question always was- why are you at a baseball game trying to listen to what is being said in the dugout instead of watching- you know, the game?

Sometimes people look for ways to try to destroy people or gain control. In the South, saying someone has a potty mouth is one way of doing that.

Personally, I don't think cussing is right or good, but at the same time I would be willing to bet that 100% of people- including the holier than thou's- have cussed at some point in their life. I do agree that cussing all the time loses its effectiveness. I also think that in certain situations it can be effective at getting someone's attention, but should be done in moderation.

I don't think there is a coorelation between winning/being a good coach and cussing.

Bobby Knight- cussed a lot. Won a lot of championships and games. Threw chairs at officials.

John Wooden- hardly ever cussed. Won a lot of championships.

I think the important thing is that a coach is himself whether they cuss or not.

Cohen is very tough on our players. He cusses. I will freely admit that, as he would to as well probably. That said, what a lot of people don't know or realize about him is how much he cares about our players. Look at Ryan Duffy. Look at Jarrod Parks signing a pro contract and tracking Cohen down and hugging him. One time I made a comment about Jet Butler to him privately and he defended Jet- this was last year amidst a season ending collapse when he could have run down every player on the team.

I imagine that there are a lot of coaches like Cohen and some that are like Polk. Both were successful.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

As for yelling at the kids, I've got no beef with that when the coach has the teams respect but Coach Abel had turned the whole team against him over the last year.

 

[DerHntr]

Cooking raccoons is apparently suspicious behavior. There would be some Warren County folks under suspicion.

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He looks like a meth head, raccoon eatin son of a ***** to me.

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[paindonthurt_]

if you'd purposely lose anything. I have zero respect for you.

 

[jackstefano]

In the old days the coach was accepted as a tough guy that had free reign to motivate kids to get the most out of them that he possibly could. It was also accepted back then that it was part of maturing and becoming a better player and person.

The old days are long gone. For better or for worse, probably a little of both. Let's face it, when you were growing up there was little tolerance for anything out of the norm, and now it's like a complete 360 (I know).

 

[seshomoru]

You should have read more.

/and I didn't realize 14 years ago how sacred some of you would hold a high school baseball game. Geez. If that's how you feel about a game played by teenagers, you must be a real joy to work with.

 

[patdog]

if you'd purposely lose anything. I have zero respect for you.

It would be interesting tolearn how the I-A scholarship player he played with did in college. I suspect not very well. I don't care how much of a dick your coach is, if you're intentionallytanking a game, you have no character whatsoever.

 

[seshomoru]

I repeat... He said a guy that got hurt deserved it.

There was no letting the team down. The entire team had turned. We all loved it.

He played four years in the Big 12.

Y'all must have been some intense dudes in your teenage years. Highschool baseball was for cutting class and getting the seniors to buy us dip.

 

[Dawg4Life]

You should have read more.

/and I didn't realize 14 years ago how sacred some of you would hold a high school baseball game. Geez. If that's how you feel about a game played by teenagers, you must be a real joy to work with.

If that guy and you had been on my team ... and I heard him say that ... he and I would have been fighting. If you agreed with him, we would have been fighting too.

Around my way, we took baseball very seriously. Every pitch. Every play. We were trying to win. I can't imagine any of my teammates even thinking such a thing, much less purposely tanking a game. In all likelihood, the players would have kicked y'all off the team. The coach wouldn't have had to say anything.

With that said, I agree on the cursing thing. Todd4State gave a great example. Bobby Knight cursed. John Wooden didn't. Cursing has absolutely nothing to do with winning. I'm amused at the people who get on here and act like getting cursed out made them tougher, better players or made them win games. That's utter bull. Cursing doesn't make you strong. Cursing doesn't make you win. It just makes you ignore people who are poor communicators. Coaches who can't get a point across without cursing, for example. And then latter in life you get on a message board and try to tie cursing and winning together like it's some magical victory formula without realizing how ridiculous you sound.

 

[seshomoru]

You would have been the only one taking that side on that team. You'd have just been too intense and awesome for us.