Eustahcy calls win over Bears one of his Top 3 Ever...

[fishwater99]

"I'd have to put this in my top three in terms of best non-conference
wins in my career," Southern Miss coach Larry Eustachy said. "Beating
Iowa was huge (at Iowa State), but I'd have to think hard of another
game that meant more."

I didn't know that the bears were a perennial power in basketball....

 

[fishwater99]

"I'd have to put this in my top three in terms of best non-conference
wins in my career," Southern Miss coach Larry Eustachy said. "Beating
Iowa was huge (at Iowa State), but I'd have to think hard of another
game that meant more."

I didn't know that the bears were a perennial power in basketball....

 

[fishwater99]

"I'd have to put this in my top three in terms of best non-conference
wins in my career," Southern Miss coach Larry Eustachy said. "Beating
Iowa was huge (at Iowa State), but I'd have to think hard of another
game that meant more."

I didn't know that the bears were a perennial power in basketball....

 

[Shmuley]

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[MadDawg.sixpack]

and we've all heard the argument before, but here you see it verified:

Beat them and it's just a game you should have won. Lose to the Eagles, and it's their biggest win of the season, and according to Eustachy, top 3 of his career. Applies to football and basketball, probably not so much in baseball.

 

[DirtyLopez]

I was talking to an eagle friend the other day and we were discussing byrne and how bad templeton was and such. He always thought templeton was a good AD until i started telling him about all of templeton's transgressions. Anyway we were discussing byrne and he made a statement basically saying that byrne was good b/c he was the one that agreed to play usm. I didn't want to tell him that was the ONE bad decision that byrne made in my eyes. You folks that want to play usm have no idea what this game means to them. If you come to hattiesburg, be prepared to fight win or lose, but especially if we lose.

 

[GloryDawg]

I say play them bastards and beat their asses and not be scared to go toe to toe with anyone.

 

[RebelBruiser]

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[GloryDawg]

Look to be the top dog in the State you have to be the top dog and not hop on the porch when the little wiener dog comes barking. You bite his *** in half. What you bears have to understand isthis is not the 1970's or the 1980's anymore. It's not like they are Texas or some other power house football team. They lost to UAB in the year of their best football season ever. Hell State won the last two they played. I am sick and tired of hearing about it from the Eagles and I am sick and tired of hearing Miss State fans be scared to play them and hind behind the theory that it helps their recruiting. That is BS. Play them and beat them.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Right now they aren't even allowed in the house. If they go against Ole Miss or MSU for a prospect either of us want, they don't land the player.

If you play them, you let them in the house. Even if you're proving you aren't scared and you beat them, you still let them in the house, which is a step in the direction to them having a chance to get a player or two from you.

This state is hard enough to recruit even with USM as a non-factor, and they are a non-factor. If you play them, you give them a chance to be a factor. USM knows that, which is why they push the need for the game so much. They know it can only help them, while it can only hurt us.

Playing USM and beating USM does nothing more for your program than playing and beating UAB. Losing to USM hurts you a whole lot more than losing to UAB. It's simply a business decision. Why take a risk that doesn't have potential to give you any reward?

 

[Orpheus]

Eustachy is just a total ahole. He is disliked by the vast majority of USM fans. He knew he couldn't get another job after his coed hunting days, so USM has been his bloodline to retirement. If you ever went to one of his practices, you would know why so many players have left his team. It does look like somehow he might have lucked up and put together a good team this year. It is only 8 years into his sham as HC at USM, so maybe we will actually get a little return on our money, but I doubt it. The guy is just a jerk. I realize that USM is probably one of the worst basketball coaching jobs in the country, but letting this guy collect his checks, while not giving a **** about USM, has been hard to watch.

 

[GloryDawg]

That's bull ****. Ole Miss and Miss State are in the SEC. That means bigger bowls and TV every Saturday. That alone gives MSU and Ole Miss advantages over USM in recruiting. That game doesn't mean **** when it comes to recruiting. Under your theory we should not even play UAB or Memphis. Hell we go up against them more in recruiting then we do USM.

 

[Orpheus]

Right now they aren't even allowed in the house. If they go against Ole Miss or MSU for a prospect either of us want, they don't land the player.

If you play them, you let them in the house. Even if you're proving you aren't scared and you beat them, you still let them in the house, which is a step in the direction to them having a chance to get a player or two from you.

This state is hard enough to recruit even with USM as a non-factor, and they are a non-factor. If you play them, you give them a chance to be a factor. USM knows that, which is why they push the need for the game so much. They know it can only help them, while it can only hurt us.

Playing USM and beating USM does nothing more for your program than playing and beating UAB. Losing to USM hurts you a whole lot more than losing to UAB. It's simply a business decision. Why take a risk that doesn't have potential to give you any reward?

Yea, losing to USM, who has 18 straight winning seasons and been to ten straight bowls is far worse than losing to Jacksonville State and LaTech.

 

[GloryDawg]

Both Miss State and Ole Miss would have 18 straight winning seasons with you schedule. By the way what is USM's record out side Con USA since Con USA was formed? Better yet how many BCS schools have you beaten?

 

[RebelBruiser]

Yea, losing to USM, who has 18 straight winning seasons and been to ten straight bowls is far worse than losing to Jacksonville State and LaTech.

It is. We've taken bad losses for sure, so has MSU, but not once in the last 30 years has USM claimed a victory over either program.

You can win all the games you want in CUSA and go to all the ****** bowls in CUSA that you want, but recruits don't consider USM if they get a look from Ole Miss or MSU, because we're in the SEC.

Maybe Big D is right that even playing USM wouldn't change that, but I feel like it opens things up to where players would actually consider USM if they knew they were going to play Ole Miss and MSU.

 

[Orpheus]

Both Miss State and Ole Miss would have 18 straight winning seasons with you schedule. By the way what is USM's record out side Con USA since Con USA was formed

USM plays in its universe and OM /MSU play in their universe.

 

[EAVdog]

you haven't looked at recruiting rankings lately have you? If they get Alford, R. Brown, and AJ Jefferson they're almost assured of having a better class than Ole Miss. And there is a strong chance that happens. Sure would be nice to be able to tell recruits "well we had a bad year but we can still beat USM"? Every once in a while the pecking order needs to be reinforced with action. Not saying we play every year, why give away money every year on ticket sales.

 

[Orpheus]

Yea, losing to USM, who has 18 straight winning seasons and been to ten straight bowls is far worse than losing to Jacksonville State and LaTech

You can win all the games you want in CUSA and go to all the ****** bowls in CUSA that you want, but recruits don't consider USM if they get a look from Ole Miss or MSU, because we're in the SEC.

Maybe Big D is right that even playing USM wouldn't change that, but I feel like it opens things up to where players would actually consider USM if they knew they were going to play Ole Miss and MSU.

"but not once in the last 30 years has USM claimed a victory over either program."

1983... USM 27 OM 7
1984... USM 13 OM 10

You just aren't real bright, are you?

 

[fishwater99]

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[GloryDawg]

The only thing it helps USM is home attendance count when the game is played in Hatisburg. You do have a point about it being a big game for them in fact when Miss State goes to Hattisburg in a few years to play them, it will be the biggest game played in their stadium ever however when they come to starkville, it will be like playing Memphis or UAB to us.

 

[GerryBertier]

I'm tired of people saying "OM and MSU would go undefeated in CUSA". Fact is, that's not relevant at all. You are in the SEC. You get SEC money. You are supposed to get SEC recruits. Your program is not a CUSA program. If you were in CUSA, you would not have the money or resources you have now. And you'd likely be no better than USM or most other CUSA teams. Same goes for USM, if we had been in the SEC for all these years. It's really not comparable. The fact that USM has one of the lowest athletic revenues in D1 and has accomplished what we have over the last couple of decades is pretty impressive in my opinion. I really don't see the need to play the two SEC schools for several reasons. But it would keep revenue in state and be good from an economic standpoint.

And $++* Eustacy.

 

[Orpheus]

Is that supposed to be a surprise. The SEC has six straight national championships and more money than any other conference. CUSA is a non bcs conference with not a lot of money. I would think the bowl tie ins for the SEC would be vastly superior. Not exactly hard to figure.

 

[Mutt the Hoople.buhoops]

I'm tired of people saying "OM and MSU would go undefeated in CUSA".

State would undefeated in CUSA....and we'd feed our mascot.

 

[EAVdog]

And 600 hundred were bought to be given to Military Families or something like that. So only 70 fans bought tickets. I know it's Hawaii and all but damn 70 tickets... Bowl Commitees will avoid USM like the plague if that's true. You got to butts in seats to get bowl invites.

Eventually someone is going to ask why put a product on the field if noone is going to pay to watch. Ole Miss and State would both benefit greatly if USM gave up football. It'll never happen but would be nice.

 

[TheCosmoKramer]

They've apparently bought 60 more tickets than Nevada fans. According to this article, Nevada has only sold 10 tickets to the Hawaii Bowl.

 

[MidTNDawg]

said many years ago that playing umiss or MSU would help his recruiting. Maybe he did not know what he was talking about. Maybe?

 

[MedDawg]

...but the Liberty Bowl didn't want the CUSA champion this year.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[GerryBertier]

...but the Liberty Bowl didn't want the CUSA champion this year.

It was a contractual issue. A representative of the Liberty Bowl said they tried to work around the contract but neither the BE or SEC would agree to it. He said they wanted Vandy vs USM.

I don't think anyone expected us to send many to Hawaii. Not only are plane tickets $1,500 but its on Christmas Eve. Most are not going to skip Christmas with the family to see a bowl game....especially one 5000 miles away against Nevada.

 

[Yawyawfootball]

So 7? 8? Be specific.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Whether we beat them or not. Seriously, how many people (other than USM fans) think of any aspect of their school in a positive manner? Ill give them Polymer Science but that's it. Every single aspect of their school is sub par.

 

[Sauron]

At least Stans doesn't have to hang his hat on beating OM. He hung his hat on winning worthless SEC West Championships.

 

[fishwater99]

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[drt7891]

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[QB1MattSaracen]

So 7? 8? Be specific.

#hailsouthernmissattendancejokes

But to answer you question: Yes, USM fans hate Eustachy. Giannini giving him an extension was strike two (hundred) and was likely one of the major causes of his incompetent *** getting kicked into early retirement.

The Ole Miss win was easily the best of LE's career at USM....topping even the epic moral victories over Memphis over the last several years.

 

[Faustdog]

Given your dozen or less fans, the Reed Green Coliseum, and the number of D1 quality basketball recruits in this state, he has done as well as anyone could have done.You guys should be thrilled that you have the second best basketball team in the state and move on. You got a quality coach solely because of his past indiscretions. You should be happy with that and let him do what he does.<div id="isChromeWebToolbarDiv" style="display:none"></div>

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

Bottom line is that Bruiser is right. I'd love to play them from a personal perspective, but it will only hurt us and help them, and it cannot work the other way around. It's a shame, but that's how it is. And they will beat us if we play them enough. probably one out of three or one out of four. I know it's already set up, but let's not make it worse and extend it.

 

[RebelBruiser]

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[RebelBruiser]

Forgive me. For once I didn't look it up, and honestly the USM series history isn't one of the ones I have memorized. Call it not once in the last 25+ years then. Point still stands.

Regardless of whatever argument is made, the overall point is that if Ole Miss or MSU plays USM, win or lose, the benefit to the programs is a one directional benefit. That's why USM fans want the series so bad.

And yes, that's part of the reason we dropped the Memphis series. They made their entire season ticket revenue off our game. Beating them didn't do us any more than beating Fresno State. Losing to them hurt us, and we did actually lose the occasional recruit to Memphis. Not often, but it did happen.

 

[BiscuitEater]

I'm tired of people saying "OM and MSU would go undefeated in CUSA". Fact is, that's not relevant at all. You are in the SEC. You get SEC money. You are supposed to get SEC recruits. Your program is not a CUSA program.

and that is 'why' most MSU fans understand that the USM mantra of 'anytime, anyplace' was allways pure BS. Since '95, USM has played SEC teams 18 times, lost everytime but once and played ZERO of these games in Hattisburg.


We should never, ever play in Hattisburg ... period.


Last I looked, USM hasn't beaten a ranked team since TCU in '03 and hasn't beaten a BCS school that finished with a winning record since 1991.