Fear TWD 8/30

[Been Jammin]

I thought the 2nd episode was better than the pilot. At least we saw someone sick in bed, with a fever and a bite wound. I still feel like this show is not in tune with the rules laid out in the original show, and this bothers me as I watch.

There seems to be far too many people with bite wounds/getting ill as compared to the number of walkers that seem to exist.

There does not seem to be enough people talking about how a crazed person bit them and they had to run away to prevent the crazed person from eating part of them. The boyfriend was sick in bed, and the family noticed a bite on him. Why didn't they ask how it happened? Why didn't he tell them about how he got bit?

The principal was locked in the school and had turned into a walker. He had blood on his back (likely from a bite wound) At the beginning of the episode, we saw him patrolling the school. We are left to assume that he came upon a walker while on patrol and was bitten. What happened to that walker? Wouldn't it be more likely that if he got bit, and escaped, there would be a day that he was too sick to come to work and died at home in bed? Or maybe he went to the hospital to get the bite treated and developed a fever while there?

Why aren't more people sharing videos/stories of walkers on social media?

With those complaints out of the way, here are some things I liked about the episode.

I really liked the scene with the cop loading water into the trunk of his patrol car. I think it is very realistic that the cops would figure out what is going on before the general public. I could see them not sharing what they know to prevent panic, and some of them going into survival mode before the public does.

I liked that the mom couldn't get in touch with her doctor and thought to go raid the school drug cabinet to get what she needed.

I liked that the kid who has things figured out went to the school to load up on canned food.

I thought the demonstration and riot was kind of silly, but did like how it progressed to the family being forced to seek refuge in the barber shop.

 

[OSUDirt]

At this point I think I'm basically ignoring the inconsistencies of how people are turning.

Agreed this episode was better than the 1st. I'm wondering when the daughter is going to wake up and realize something bad is going on.

 

[Been Jammin]

At this point I think I'm basically ignoring the inconsistencies of how people are turning.

Agreed this episode was better than the 1st. I'm wondering when the daughter is going to wake up and realize something bad is going on.

That was another question I had. Why not try to explain it to her?

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

On the school drug cabinet: my wife, the nurse, said there is now way the school would have those drugs.

I thought this episode was better too. After having watched the original, the incocnsistencies are somewhat annoying. But, you basically just have to go with it or quit watching.

 

[Been Jammin]

On the school drug cabinet: my wife, the nurse, said there is now way the school would have those drugs.

I thought this episode was better too. After having watched the original, the incocnsistencies are somewhat annoying. But, you basically just have to go with it or quit watching.

Your wife makes a good point. Oxycontin would be pretty unlikely to be kept in the school drug cabinet. But, what if some kid was returning to school after major surgery? Let's say back surgery. If he was weaning off his pain meds? Maybe he is far enough out of surgery that he can attend school but still needs something to take the edge off. I don't think it is unrealistic that his meds would be kept locked up and he would have to come to the school nurse for his doses. My daughter takes prescription ADD medication. My wife has to take the pills to school once a month and leave it with the nurse. My daughter has to go to the nurse's office once a day to get her medication dose. It is against school rules for her to bring the pill with her and take it herself every day.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Just don't believe they'd allow any kid to take Schedule II drugs and be in school.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Although, I guess I should abridge that to say, other than for ADHD. Because I think Ritalin and related are schedule II.

 

[hollywood]

If you have a disorder/disease/medical problem that requires the use of a prescription drug, and your required dosage schedule requires that you have to take it during school hours, I don't think a public school could refuse to make some reasonable accommodation to allow for the usage. And keeping it in a locked facility with a licensed medical professional would certainly be the logical place for the school to keep it.

I just looked up the Rules and Regs on Cal public schools and YES, the recommended procedures for any student who is taking prescription medicines (and needs to do so during school hours) is for the parent to deliver such meds in their original pharmacy provided container with the patients's name and dosage printed on it, to the school nurse who then provides that dosage to the student during the school day. The nurse is actually required to keep a daily log and an inventory of the amount of the drug on hand at all times.

So, in as large a high school as the one which is featured is, I would not think it unreasonable for at least a dozen or so packages of prescription drugs to be found under lock and key in the nurses office.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

Of course they'd be locked up. No dispute about that. I'm still skeptical there be any OxyContin, especially in quantity.

 

[CowboyPhil]

I think the writers are being lazy by not explaining the biting. They know the audience already knows the answer so no reason to explain. It looks bad on the TV as we all are sitting there waiting for them to explain it to the daughter. Even the father's explanation to his ex was half-hearted and not very detailed. And she just soaked it all up and had no questions or WTF? looks. Just weird writing.

As far as the drugs. Doesn't everyone have oxycotin at their house? I have Oxy, ms contin, percocet, diazepamn and all sorts of good stuff.

 

[Chillwell]

I like the show so far and will almost certainly watch all the episodes. But I agree with you guys on the point about "no explanation" from the family members. Ok...I get the drugged out brother not being able to explain it or even being a very credible source, but I can't understand why the mother/girlfriend & father/boyfriend don't just explain what they've seen. Seriously, if you want to protect your children, especially that daughter with the sick b/f, why not explain it to her? That's just a stupid; anybody in "real life" would tell their kid about personally seeing people rise from the dead. That's pretty irritating.

 

[zthiel]

Have they seen anyone rise from the dead? The son said he shot a guy, left him there, and he was gone. If you are the parents what do you think about it in a way that you could explain what's going on? I witnessed your brother run over a guy with a truck 2 times, and he wouldn't die so your sick boyfriend is unsafe to be around. She told the Hispanic neighbors across the street and it didn't do them a bit of good.

 

[hollywood]

Actually, we don't know what the mom told the neighbors do we? I seem to recall her being shown in the background walking over to the neighbor's house as dad took the truck to look for his son.

But even my 14 yr old was kind of pointing out how this plot device has been overused and really isn't believable. This isn't a 6 yr old girl we're talking about who the parents may be trying to shield from the hard cold, horrible reality of the situation. They're TEACHERS, who if anyone in the world understands the fact that too much factual information never hurt anyone, but keeping key facts away from those who should be made completely apprised of the facts is the worst thing you can do. Keeping the daughter in the dark serves zero useful purpose and could very well have lead her into putting her life in danger, simply because they wouldn't offer up what they knew?

But, I would also say that the same thing applies to Dad who's now cooped up with ex and son at the barber shop downtown. What possible valid reason would he have not to share the info with the people surrounding them there, so that they at least might be better prepared to deal with whatever may come their way. I give you shelter and you have key information and choose not to share it with me, putting my family's lives in danger? I might put a round in your head just on principle (and I don't think I would be too far out of line doing so.)

 

[MegaPoke]

You guys need to give it at least 5 episodes before overthinking it to this degree.

 

[Been Jammin]

You guys need to give it at least 5 episodes before overthinking it to this degree.

I think we all agree that it has suffered from poor writing to this point. Obviously, the concept of zombies doesn't make sense, but if we suspend that part of reality, there are just a lot of things, that have happened in the first 2 episodes, that defy logic.

@hollywood I can actually defend the writing on what is going on in the barbershop. I think it is somewhat realistic for the Dad to not share what he knows. The main reason he might keep quiet is that he is worried that the family who owns the place will think he is crazy and force him to leave rather than continue giving him shelter. In addition, he has a contentious relationship with his ex, and son, and knows that trying to explain will end with them thinking he is insane and with a big argument.

Remember...when the druggie son told the dad what he saw in the church, the dad thought it was the drugs talking. He went to the church and still didn't believe the kid. Not until he saw the unkillable drug dealer did he accept that something very effed up is going on. We have to assume that this is a world where zombie movies/stories do not exist. Therefore, it is a situation where either someone has to completely trust you to believe what you are telling them, or you have to see it yourself before you believe.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I took the drugs as being confiscated.

 

[JonnyVito]

I took the drugs as being confiscated.

I did also it even looked like they were in evidence bags.

 

[hollywood]

Confiscated drugs would be held by, or turned over to the police (remember there are police at the schools as shown) not by the school nurse.

You're overthinking this one. Oxy is approved for use by kids ages 11 yrs up. It IS prescribed for kids to manage long term pain issues. With a school of 1500 kids, it would not be out of the question for at least 4 to 5 of them to have Oxy prescriptions. (Woodrow Wilson High, where it was filmed as 1,500 students enrolled.)

It is my understanding that some school districts also require that faculty members who require prescription drugs may also need to place the "custody" of those medicines with the school nurse to reduce the likelihood the teacher is up to no good (providing or selling them) and/or to help prevent students from stealing them.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/NewsEvents/ucm456973.htm

 

[JonnyVito]

That stuff is approved for 11 year olds? Yet they fuse about pot wow. That stuff is very dangerous can't believe a doctor can prescribe that to an 11 year old. I under stand they might have bad pain and what not but wow that seems crazy. I learn something on here every day. Also you are right I forget they have cops in the schools now and if they had that it would go with the kid to jail or lock up.

 

[mseabolt]

That stuff is approved for 11 year olds? Yet they fuse about pot wow. That stuff is very dangerous can't believe a doctor can prescribe that to an 11 year old. I under stand they might have bad pain and what not but wow that seems crazy. I learn something on here every day. Also you are right I forget they have cops in the schools now and if they had that it would go with the kid to jail or lock up.

Nobody claimed the FDA as too smart with decisions like this