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johnson86-1

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He’d probably only leave for a top 5 college job, LSU was a top 5 job prior to the governor’s crazy rant. If i was an OM fan, i’d be most worried about him leaving for the Giants.
He'd leave for 5 jobs in the SEC alone. LSU, UF, UGA, UTex, & A&M can all offer him NIL support and a ceiling that UM can't. And that's assuming he doesn't want to deal with Bama crazy and rules them out. I don't know how he feels about coaching in a place like OSU or FSU. There's also the possibility he would go to a place like Miami even though it's not necessarily a better place to win.
 
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johnson86-1

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Like most things, the reality lies somewhere in the middle. Ole Miss is not a bad job and they will be willing to pay him more to stay, so it is not a foregone conclusion that he leaves (despite what some on here think). At the same time, there are numerous current job openings (with more to come) at schools that are better jobs than Ole Miss (despite what some folks in Powder Blue think), so there is a good chance he leaves as well if he can convice a school to pay him big. But is Lane Kiffin really worth a 10 year / $150 million type contract? I don't know if anyone not named Nick Saban is worth that kind of scratch.
They are in the same position we were in with Mullen before he got pissed about whatever (whether it was dealing with Cohen or Cannizaro or what). There are a handful of jobs he'd definitely leave for but those type jobs don't come up often. He at least has his sights on a true blue blood and not an almost blue blood type Auburn, so that helps. Not sure he'd go to say UTenn (ignoring the history) or Oklahoma as they are not really the top but are high enough that you basically don't leave for a better job (again, ignoring that Lane did just that to UT; that was him having ties to USC and the area).

If Ole Miss were to make it through this season, they'd have a couple of seasons of reprieve because most of the schools he'd leave for are set for the next two years (you'd think) after this, either because they just made a hire or because the current coach probalbyu have two years more or less guaranteed based on the current temperature of his seat. Their problem is Lane probably knows that also. If he doesn't leave this year, he's going to have to wait for these type jobs to come up again and who knows if he'll be the hottest name after a couple of years of a more typical SEC schedule.
 

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Serious here - If he leaves, the gentleman's thing to do is to get them through the playoffs, assuming they go (theoretically, they could lose to both us and Florida and miss out). I know it's OM, but he shouldn't just leave them high and dry (although Mullen did ....). Then he should take the Florida job. Penn State's too cold, and Baton Rouge is just not a nice place.
It would be interesting to see what, if anything, the NCAA and the conferences would do if a coach bailed out on a team before the playoffs to take another job. Would they move signing day and/or the portal window?
 

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It would be interesting to see what, if anything, the NCAA and the conferences would do if a coach bailed out on a team before the playoffs to take another job. Would they move signing day and/or the portal window?
They should treat it like they did with Florida State and Jordan Travis' injury. Without Kiffin - they aren't a playoff team. I wouldn't invite them.

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I have been of the opinion that he stays at OM strictly for the son to graduate high school. However, sure seems to be a lot of smoke things are going on. Possibly meeting with UF next week during the bye. Several OM fans are starting to concede. I haven't changed my mind yet, but, it is entertaining.
 
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patdog

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I have been of the opinion that he stays at OM strictly for the son to graduate high school. However, sure seems to be a lot of smoke things are going on. Possibly meeting with UF next week during the bye. Several OM fans are starting to concede. I haven't changed my mind yet, but, it is entertaining.
It’s kind of now or never for him. These opportunities don’t come along often &
He's at the peak of his marketability. There are good high schools in Baton Rouge & Gainesville.
 
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He'd leave for 5 jobs in the SEC alone. LSU, UF, UGA, UTex, & A&M can all offer him NIL support and a ceiling that UM can't. And that's assuming he doesn't want to deal with Bama crazy and rules them out. I don't know how he feels about coaching in a place like OSU or FSU. There's also the possibility he would go to a place like Miami even though it's not necessarily a better place to win.
Let's break this down:

LSU - after that crazy rant by the governor and the mess they made of firing BK, no wanted P2 sitting coach is going there.

UF - possible, but coaching there has been a train wreck since Urban left. With the portal, their HS recruiting advantage is not as great an asset as it was pre portal. Lane saw what happened to Mullen.

Texas/UGA/TOSU - yes any coach in the country will take these jobs, but none are coming open.

Bama - he left on bad terms, and after Saban, Mr. all football all the time, I doubt they want an childish coach who constantly feels the need to draw attention to himself and troll people online. They would never offer him.

Texas AM - possible, but ain't coming open.

Miami - he's not leaving for the U, maybe for the Fins though.

FSU - I think he would be a great fit and kill it there, don't know if he'd take it.

Were I an OM fan, the Giants would most concern me.

What Lane has in Oxford - he's bigger than the program and everyone is pulling in the same direction (Bama had the same deal under Saban), Lane is more powerful than the AD and likely the President. Apparently his family likes it there, his son is a raising star at OHS and they seem to be well funded NIL wise. He's a huge fish in a tiny pond.
 
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Let's break this down:

LSU - after that crazy rant by the governor and the mess they made of firing BK, no wanted P2 sitting coach is going there.

UF - possible, but coaching there has been a train wreck since Urban left. With the portal, their HS recruiting advantage is not as great an asset as it was pre portal. Lane saw what happened to Mullen.

Texas/UGA/TOSU - yes any coach in the country will take these jobs, but none are coming open.

Bama - he left on bad terms, and after Saban, Mr. all football all the time, I doubt they want an childish coach who constantly feels the need to draw attention to himself and troll people online. They would never offer him.

Texas AM - possible, but ain't coming open.

Miami - he's not leaving for the U, maybe for the Fins though.

FSU - I think he would be a great fit and kill it there, don't know if he'd take it.

Were I an OM fan, the Giants would most concern me.

What Lane has in Oxford - he's bigger than the program and everyone is pulling in the same direction (Bama had the same deal under Saban), Lane is more powerful than the AD and likely the President. Apparently his family likes it there, his son is a raising star at OHS and they seem to be well funded NIL wise. He's a huge fish in a tiny pond.
Florida is a good situation, LSU has lost some luster. He Can win a title at Florida, he can’t at Ole Miss
 

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What Lane has in Oxford - he's bigger than the program and everyone is pulling in the same direction (Bama had the same deal under Saban), Lane is more powerful than the AD and likely the President. Apparently his family likes it there, his son is a raising star at OHS and they seem to be well funded NIL wise. He's a huge fish in a tiny pond.
None of that matters to him if another school is willing to stuff his pockets with more cash and no telling how much more cash for NIL. And every head coach's family likes it wherever they are at the time. What else are they supposed to say?
 

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Let's break this down:

LSU - after that crazy rant by the governor and the mess they made of firing BK, no wanted P2 sitting coach is going there.

UF - possible, but coaching there has been a train wreck since Urban left. With the portal, their HS recruiting advantage is not as great an asset as it was pre portal. Lane saw what happened to Mullen.

Texas/UGA/TOSU - yes any coach in the country will take these jobs, but none are coming open.

Bama - he left on bad terms, and after Saban, Mr. all football all the time, I doubt they want an childish coach who constantly feels the need to draw attention to himself and troll people online. They would never offer him.

Texas AM - possible, but ain't coming open.

Miami - he's not leaving for the U, maybe for the Fins though.

FSU - I think he would be a great fit and kill it there, don't know if he'd take it.

Were I an OM fan, the Giants would most concern me.

What Lane has in Oxford - he's bigger than the program and everyone is pulling in the same direction (Bama had the same deal under Saban), Lane is more powerful than the AD and likely the President. Apparently his family likes it there, his son is a raising star at OHS and they seem to be well funded NIL wise. He's a huge fish in a tiny pond.
LSU is still going to get a good coach if they will pay. You can win a national championship there.
For the other big name schools, yes, there are lots of people that would choose the lack of pressure at UM. Those type people mostly aren’t desirable college football coaches. They want to win.
 
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He could put it all to rest with a simple statement I am not leaving, and Florida is ****** state with ****** football players and ****** schools.
 
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LSU is still going to get a good coach if they will pay. You can win a national championship there.
For the other big name schools, yes, there are lots of people that would choose the lack of pressure at UM. Those type people mostly aren’t desirable college football coaches. They want to win.
Until this last debacle, LSU was a top 5 job, it's not at the current time. It was right there behind, UGA/TX/TOSU. The governor did much more damage than he intended.
 
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greenbean.sixpack

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He could put it all to rest with a simple statement I am not leaving, and Florida is ****** state with ****** football players and ****** schools.
He would lose all leverage if he did that.

Likely, just as important to him, he’d lose all the attention he is getting. He’s a narcissist, ego maniac of the highest order, he loves the attention. If he comes out and commits to OM, all the attention goes away.
 

GloryDawg

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He would lose all leverage if he did that.

Likely, just as important to him, he’d lose all the attention he is getting. He’s a narcissist, ego maniac of the highest order, he loves the attention. If he comes out and commits to OM, all the attention goes away.
This attention he is wanting is probably having an effect on the fan base and the locker room. He needs to shut it down if he intends on staying at ole miss with them trying to get into the play off.
 

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Until this last debacle, LSU was a top 5 job, it's not at the current time. It was right there behind, UGA/TX/TOSU. The governor did much more damage than he intended.
He hurt them, but he hurt them in a way that probably put Florida ahead of them this cycle and that will probably make them offer a sweeter contract (particularly on language regarding guaranteed payout, so his outburst and the subsequent litigation with Kelly has basically ensured what he was complaining about will be worse).

But if they will pay $10M and guarantee $20M+ in NIL, they will still be one of the top jobs.

You have probably:
UF,
PSU (I don't know how to rank this; I think you rank it high if you're from Big 10 country and lower if not),
LSU/FSU if open (not sure how to rank FSU; are they seen as a sleeping giant? Still, ease of getting to the playoff plus historical success I think puts them near hear; LSU would clearly be ahead if not for the dysfunction),
Auburn/Arkansas (Auburn would be clearly higher without their disfunction; they could be competitive with LSU this cycle if they had good leadership and relatively sane boosters)
Va Tech/Ok St./Stanford (no clue how to rank Stanford; can you still win there? Or has the current landscape left them behind?)
Ucla (another one I don't know how to rank; you'd think it would be a way better program than it is; ),

No coach that wants to win a championship is going to put LSU lower than 4th this cycle out of known jobs. I don't think any of the likely openings will change that. So it hurt, but they are still going to be in a strong position even in a bad cycle to be looking for a coach.
 

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I have been of the opinion that he stays at OM strictly for the son to graduate high school. However, sure seems to be a lot of smoke things are going on. Possibly meeting with UF next week during the bye. Several OM fans are starting to concede. I haven't changed my mind yet, but, it is entertaining.

It’s kind of now or never for him. These opportunities don’t come along often &
He's at the peak of his marketability. There are good high schools in Baton Rouge & Gainesville.
I think this is it. He probably would have been fine to stay until his son graduated. But UF and LSU are about to be off the market for at least two years. UGA is stable. Bama if that's an option seems to be righting the ship although things could change. Utex and A&M seem to be as stable as they can be. OSU seems stable. If he doesn't leave this year, it could be three years before he has a comparable opportunity.
 
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They should treat it like they did with Florida State and Jordan Travis' injury. Without Kiffin - they aren't a playoff team. I wouldn't invite them.
In our heart of hearts we all know they (like FSU) would not win but it's total horseshit to leave both of those teams out, if the season resume dictated that they be in. That's the true definition of 'best', or at least what it should be. If you just say best then it's always going to be subjective.

FSU being left out in 2023 was one of the biggest travesties in the history of college football.
 

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This attention he is wanting is probably having an effect on the fan base and the locker room. He needs to shut it down if he intends on staying at ole miss with them trying to get into the play off.
If he stays, this will have zero effect on the fan base, they’ll be just an enamored with him. We have no idea of how/if it will effect the locker room. He could be create a “us against the world” mentality for his players. I think for many players today it’s more about the bag than loyalty to a coach/school, but who knows?
 

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Let's break this down:

LSU - after that crazy rant by the governor and the mess they made of firing BK, no wanted P2 sitting coach is going there.

UF - possible, but coaching there has been a train wreck since Urban left. With the portal, their HS recruiting advantage is not as great an asset as it was pre portal. Lane saw what happened to Mullen.

Texas/UGA/TOSU - yes any coach in the country will take these jobs, but none are coming open.

Bama - he left on bad terms, and after Saban, Mr. all football all the time, I doubt they want an childish coach who constantly feels the need to draw attention to himself and troll people online. They would never offer him.

Texas AM - possible, but ain't coming open.

Miami - he's not leaving for the U, maybe for the Fins though.

FSU - I think he would be a great fit and kill it there, don't know if he'd take it.

Were I an OM fan, the Giants would most concern me.

What Lane has in Oxford - he's bigger than the program and everyone is pulling in the same direction (Bama had the same deal under Saban), Lane is more powerful than the AD and likely the President. Apparently his family likes it there, his son is a raising star at OHS and they seem to be well funded NIL wise. He's a huge fish in a tiny pond.
I agree with your last paragraph and think he stays because he can field a regular playoff contending team, maybe teasing the natty and winning one with a bit of luck, have fun, be king of the hill, and make a ****-ton of money, especially for living in MS.

He ain't going nowhere.
 
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I have it on good authority that Lane has met with most of his starters to let them know they will be going with him. So, he'll keep the locker room through the playoffs and the talent when he lands the new gig.***

Ask a reb if I'm doing this rival coaching rumor thing correctly.
 
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If he stays, this will have zero effect on the fan base, they’ll be just an enamored with him. We have no idea of how/if it will effect the locker room. He could be create a “us against the world” mentality for his players. I think for many players today it’s more about the bag than loyalty to a coach/school, but who knows?
I am talking about now, today, tonight, tomorrow and next week. Not if he leaves or not. He needs to shut this down, or it could cost them on the field.
 
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Until he signs a contract where he pays full contract amount if he leaves early, he’s always a flight risk.
 
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