From the Daily Mississippian circa 1987 (Hurdle, p.2)

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Carry a rebel flag to the game. The Rebel flag is still the official flag of Ole Miss as far as the students are concerned, and it always will be. . . . If you are against the flag, go to hell.Dress up for the game. Wear some decent clothes, which means a sport coat and tie. <font color="#000000">For those of you who may not have a coat and tie, the university provides a special service. It is called the radio.</font> (Hurdle, 1987, p. 2)

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This is from an article "Wave a flag, drink a pint, yell a cheer". It isnt a reason to hate someone.But it's not hard to understand the gulf between our fanbases. The editor of the paper felt justified enough to publish it as a sentiment that many would agree with. Funny though. I think the attitude of it has dwindled a good bit. </p></dir></dir></font>
 

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Carry a rebel flag to the game. The Rebel flag is still the official flag of Ole Miss as far as the students are concerned, and it always will be. . . . If you are against the flag, go to hell.Dress up for the game. Wear some decent clothes, which means a sport coat and tie. <font color="#000000">For those of you who may not have a coat and tie, the university provides a special service. It is called the radio.</font> (Hurdle, 1987, p. 2)

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This is from an article "Wave a flag, drink a pint, yell a cheer". It isnt a reason to hate someone.But it's not hard to understand the gulf between our fanbases. The editor of the paper felt justified enough to publish it as a sentiment that many would agree with. Funny though. I think the attitude of it has dwindled a good bit. </p></dir></dir></font>
 

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If you don't like tailgating in the Grove, the university provides a special service. It's called an awful football game at the stadium.
 

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The flag has dwindled. In time ColReb will dwindle. Then Rebels. They are on a long term plan to change their whole image.
 
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not 1957, not 1977. This is relatively recently. That's the sad part. What's worse than that is that I actually know people who stopped pulling for Ole Miss when they gave up the colonel. Tell me what that was about.
 

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There are still people living right now that were breathing during the civil rights movement. You're just not going to erase that type of mindset over night or even a few decades.
 

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They have been forced to move past that one for the most part.

What is most telling is this little nugget:<font size="3"> "Dress up for the game. Wear some decent clothes, which means a sport coat and tie. <font color="#000000">For those of you who may not have a coat and tie, the university provides a special service. It is called the radio.</font> (Hurdle, 1987, p. 2)"

This highlights the pervasive snobby, elitist attitude that still defines the UM culture and is a large part of the divide between 'us' and 'them'.
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Sauron said:
not 1957, not 1977. This is relatively recently. That's the sad part. What's worse than that is that I actually know people who stopped pulling for Ole Miss when they gave up the colonel. Tell me what that was about.

And we are better off without those fans. I'm not normally one of those that says we have room to be running off fans, but honestly, the fans that like us for our symbols can hit the road. Those that have a hard time letting go of the symbols but won't quit the school over them will eventually get over it, and we'll be better off in the long run.
 

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Also right when came out with the 'M' flag I believe. They banned sticks to prevent people from bringing in Rebel flags, but you could buy an 'M' flag on a stick at the Bookstore and at the Stadium. They've been trying to seperate themselves from the 'Rebel/Confederate' image for a while. It's just so hard for them because the heyday of Rebel Flag paraphenalia coincides with the one period they were dominate in college football.
 

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And gaining some in the long run. That's the point. I really don't think there are that many fans that are that hung up on the symbols that they'd quit over them. There are a lot that will claim they're quitting over a symbol. Some will protest, but very few will actually quit over it. Ultimately the vast majority care way more about winning than they do about symbols.
 

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Eavdog wrote:

It's just so hard for them because the heyday of Rebel Flag paraphenalia coincides with the one period they were dominate in college football.

I spit fruity pebbles when I read this ****. Dominant in the late 80's? Now that's funny
 

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At least some movement on it. I started at State in 93. My Sister went to Ole Miss beginning in 89. I used to go up there a lot in High School to hit on her Sorority Sisters and generally party and think I was a cool High Schooler. Regardless the Administration has been making these changes little by little for quite some time. Can't say that I disagree with the not bringing in 'Confederate Flags'. I could only imagine how ESPN would go apoplectic if your Stadium was full of 60k waving rebel flags on game day!
 

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Then they could have at least kept that part of the tradition alive and it would have still been unique. Of course that would have never worked as evidenced by their failure to keep FDWL alive. Heck, we still have our own small group of selfish idiots that insist its their God given right to ring a cowbell anytime they darn well please despite it hurting the university they claim to love and support.
 

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There was a huge resurgence of 'Confederate' pride coinciding with the 100 year anniversary of the Civil War. That is the time period when Georgia changed their State flag to incorporate the Confederat Battle flag into their design. The 'Johnny Reb'cannon was one ofthe most popular selling toys at the time. Even had a great commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53mADuA5aM8
 

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Found the story on the ESPN site. Interesting reading and this excerpt kind of sums up the situation nicely.

"Mississippi in the fall of 1962 is a doomed civilization at its
apogee. Enrollment at Ole Miss stands at an all-time high. The football
team has been to five consecutive bowl games, won three SEC
championships in the past decade, and gone 27-2-1 in the past three
years. In 1959 and 1960, Ole Miss coeds won back-to-back Miss America
crowns. Pageant moms around the country send their daughters to Oxford,
an invasion of leggy blondes whose influence can still be seen in the
state's gene pool.</p>

Of course, that's just half of the story. To be an African-American
in this world isn't much different than it was in 1861, and the
Mississippi of 1962 has been forming in earnest for 14 years, with
segregation becoming more and more formalized. In 1948, President Harry
Truman signed the first civil rights legislation. That year, something
new popped up at Ole Miss football games: Confederate battle flags. The
band started playing "Dixie." Someone commissioned the largest Rebel
flag ever for the band to carry onto the field. Vaught, in his second
season as coach, gave fans something to cheer about. The football team
might not have intended it, but to people in the state, the squad became
the last Confederate soldiers. "You see them moving away from this
larger national narrative," says D. Gorton, an Ole Miss student who
witnessed the Meredith riots and later became a photographer for the New
York Times. "They're no longer part of the United States. They really
saw themselves as an archipelago. That led to their great football. What
else would explain it?"</p>

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You know it was really unfortunate for mississippi that their only era of football prominence happened to coincide with the south's ugly era of push-back on integration/civil rights because it led to a voluntary association of the two that still haunts UM to this very day.
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I think the point is that the article (OP) was written during the late 80's and the attitude still remained on the bear's campus. I would love to say State has been and will continue to be progressive in diversity but I know bumps will come our way, but State does not have a "tradition" like ole miss where all that college's identity lies in the "old south" and all the nastiness that went with it. If we can get anything out of this it's that the South lost the war and had it's butt kicked and it seems the same thing is happening to ole miss today, because they started out in glory (60's) but are now a relic of their past and have nothing to hold on to but their past while we State fans look to the future.
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I really don't see too many people flocking to your new PC sanitized organization. I see Bear Nation as a huge net loser of fans in the long run because the vast majority of Bear fans I know were outraged over the new mascot and several sidewalk alums i know stopped supporting altogether. Also, with the resurgence and success of so many SEC programs, I don't see enough people jumping on the Bear bandwagon to offset your losses. Just my $.02. I could be wrong. Regardless, I'm sure you will let me know.
 

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My parents were witnesses to that era as well, and I don't really see them as such either, but as far as MSU being just as racist, that only makes sense. While I attend MSU I can honestly say it feels a lot more welcoming now especially from what I have heard in the past. Sure, there will always be those bigots among us almost everywhere you go, I don't see that changing any time soon, but it's still impressive to see how far things have come in such little time.
 

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We're losing more in that regard from these past two seasons than we are from the mascot thing. That said, I was still impressed with some of our crowds this year at times, considering the product we put on the field. I was shocked we had so many people still showing up and getting loud to start the LSU game. Obviously none of them were there late in the game, but people still drove to town and made the effort to come to the stadium.

Success brings people and support period. The symbols are just a side bar. Every week I was there, I saw a group tailgating with a sign that said "No Bears Allowed", but those people were still there and still went to the game.

People protested the removal of Col. Reb when he was removed from the sidelines nearly a decade ago, but we still had our largest crowd in stadium history when we played LSU in 2003, not long after that whole deal. People were wearing "Bring Back Col. Reb" stickers to all the games, but they were still there at the games in large numbers all year.

Point being, very few people actually will quit over symbols. Most will get over the change with time and still be there.
 

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put the bumper stickers on ONLY when one of the teams is winning.

What Ole Miss is suffering from now is a branding trainwreck.

Frankly, it's easy for the media who is like a drug addict wanting a hitto take the side against the old antebellum image of the south because with all of it's glory comes the embarassment of the way non whites were treated in it. I know you say you dont mind seeing the people who hold on to those images walk away because they are a detriment to the purpose of the school, but the name Ole Miss, and the image of the confederate army still hold the negative attachments of the sentiment.

In 1955 it was the in thing. In 1965 it was the 'side' whites who opposedthe civil rights movement took. In 1975 it was the way kids whos parents experienced integration wanted to hold onto family traditions. in 1985 it became something of a paradox because preppy was in, but winning was harder without the best athletes. In 1995 Jackie had been, for a number of years, reminding recruits that the image of Ole Miss was not representative of their culture because he wasnt recruiting the children of lawyers. In 2005, a poor coach still managed to recruit on par with Ole Miss simply because of the idea he wasnt old south. So we are coming into 2015 in a couple of years.

The disney suited image is gone. The flag is gone. The band can barely get out a version of dixie. But still, the image lives.

And so do the opinions.
 

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My GGrandfather graduated from TSUN in 1878, and he was indeed born the son of a plantation owner that had slaves, so the shoe fits.

And that was certainly true of the majority of his peers.
 
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....and the perception of The Mississippi State University was as the island of racial sanity in a sea of total, complete Hickotry. After all, we were the ones who snuck out of Mississippi to play an integrated team while police guarded the borders. We're the ones who's D-back intercepted the final pass that beat the #4 University of Ole Miss, we're the ones with the first black head coach in the SEC, the only school whose traditions haven't been banned by the 14th amendment, the 1965 Civil Rights Act, or the Hague Convention on Treatment of Enemy Combatants.

Hey, it is what it is.
 

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You just reasoned that your school is looked upon as a sea of racial tranquility because once, when it was still segregated, it played an integrated school in the NCAA tournament.<div>
</div><div>The other reasons you list are an interception (??!!?), Sly Croom (possibly legit reason, I guess) and then not being Ole Miss. The leaps in reason here are truly profound. I don't know why I even point this **** out though. I've deleted this twice because I know it will be met with more DURP, but seriously, do you honestly think anyone any place outside the space between your ears thinks "Hmm, MSU, racial utopia!"</div>
 
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...just like people have a perception ofMississippi State as hard-working, intelligent, salt-of-the-earth people who you'd want in your foxhole when the enemy comes charging the hill, people who don't need political or family connections to get a job or get ahead in life, the type of men Ole Miss women want to marry because they want to know what it's like to be with a real man.

but, hey, there are exceptions to every rule.