Has any decent P4 program burned through more failed OCs in the last 10 years than us?

[18IsTheMan]

Serious question. Six OCs in 10 seasons. None lasting longer than 2 seasons. It's a remarkable track record of futility. Question: if you're a prospective OC, do you look at this list and say "Ahhh, no thanks"?:

Kurt Roper: OC 2016-2017
Bryan McClendon: OC 2018-2019
Mike Bobo: OC 2020
Marcus Satterfield: OC 2021-2022
Dowell Loggains: OC 2023-2024
Mike Shula: OC 2025 (partial)

 

[18IsTheMan]

FWIW, Kurt Roper is OC at NC State this season. They are averaging 29.5 ppg.

 

[sclawman77]

UK has had a ton under Stoops

 

[will110]

Serious question. Six OCs in 10 seasons. None lasting longer than 2 seasons. It's a remarkable track record of futility. Question: if you're a prospective OC, do you look at this list and say "Ahhh, no thanks"?:

Kurt Roper: OC 2016-2017
Bryan McClendon: OC 2018-2019
Mike Bobo: OC 2020
Marcus Satterfield: OC 2021-2022
Dowell Loggains: OC 2023-2024
Mike Shula: OC 2025 (partial)

Alabama's had 8 OCs in that time period.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Alabama's had 8 OCs in that time period.

I wouldn't exactly say they've been "burning" through them though. Replacing OCs who leave for HC gigs or NFL gigs is not quite the situation we have faced with our revolving door.

 

[18IsTheMan]

UK has had a ton under Stoops

More recently, yeah. Gran was their OC from 2016-2020, a pretty successful five-year run for the offense.

Liam Coen came in for the 2021 season from the NFL and UK's offense blew up to 32 ppg, then he promptly returned to the NFL as an OC, so that's not bad on UK or Stoops.

Coen came back in 2023 after the OC in 2022 destroyed the offense promptly returned an explosive offense to UK, then promptly returned to the NFL.

Not nearly as bad as our situation.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Don't blame me. I was lobbying for Kiffin for head coach back in the day.

He can cheat AND coach. I was on record saying we needed to follow Clemson's blueprint. I stand by that to this day. Kiffin is HC / OC in one package. All this discussion would have been moo...

 

[JohnnySolo]

I was turned off by Kiffin back in the day when he coached UT. I would welcome him with open arms and be willing to pay the money the University is asking of its club members.

 

[muscleknight]

Satterfield and Loggins got new jobs. Loggings would have been OC this year. We won't ever know how he would have done.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Don't blame me. I was lobbying for Kiffin for head coach back in the day.

He can cheat AND coach. I was on record saying we needed to follow Clemson's blueprint. I stand by that to this day. Kiffin is HC / OC in one package. All this discussion would have been moo...

Very much wanted Muschamp fired a year earlier and to pursue Kiffin. But that was never going to happen. Has a university's athletic department ever had such a turn of events like this one had of Tanner going from hero to villain?

 

[SouthernBelly]

Satterfield and Loggins got new jobs. Loggings would have been OC this year. We won't ever know how he would have done.

Satterfield definitely counts as a failed OC, and I have it on good authority that Loggains would have continued to suck.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

No.

 

[Piscis]

I still contend the OCs haven't been the real problem. Since Spurrier's great three year run, the talent hasn't been here. Sure, there have been some good players, but across the board talent with depth has been nonexistent.

South Carolina is, and always has been, difficult to recruit to. There are many reasons for this. The history of the program is mediocre, the program is the little brother to the other football program in the state, there are some pretty high profile programs in neighboring states or at least in the region, the campus is in the middle of a downtown area of a city that is not exactly known as a hotspot of excitement, the stadium is far from campus in an area that isn't exactly beautiful. Imagine you are a 5 star player in the state of Georgia. You have every team in the region recruiting you. What are the odds you decide South Carolina is the place that stands out above UGA, Bama, Tennessee, Clemson, UF, Auburn and FSU?

Yes, SC will sign a few top level HS players every year but not all of them will pan out in college and there won't be enough of them to fill the roster with talent that can win a lot of games.

 

[Gradstudent]

UF is close, but I dont see who was the 2021 OC

2016-17, Doug Nussmeier
2018-19, CO. Billy Gonzales, John Hevesy
2020, Brian Johnson
2021, ? Wiki doesnt say LOL
2022-23, Rob Sale
2024, Rob Sale/Russ Callaway
2025 Russ Callaway

 

[Gradstudent]

Auburn has burned through 10 during that time period, and one guy was actually named Burns,

2016, Laslee/Burns
2017, Lindsey/Burns
2018, Lindsey
2019, Dillingham
2020, Chad Morris
2021, Mike Bobo
2022, Eric Kiesau for 8 games then Ike Hilliard for 4 games
2023 Phillip Montgomery
2024 Derrick Nix
2025 Derrick Nix

I bet there is bunch more teams with more than us, but it takes time to flip through wiki, so I started with some dysfunctional SEC programs and found one on my second try.

My guess would be 20 P4 teams+ with 6 or more during that time frame, 2016 season through 2025,

 

[18IsTheMan]

Auburn has burned through 10 during that time period, and one guy was actually named Burns,

2016, Laslee/Burns
2017, Lindsey/Burns
2018, Lindsey
2019, Dillingham
2020, Chad Morris
2021, Mike Bobo
2022, Eric Kiesau for 8 games then Ike Hilliard for 4 games
2023 Phillip Montgomery
2024 Derrick Nix
2025 Derrick Nix

I bet there is bunch more teams with more than us, but it takes time to flip through wiki, so I started with some dysfunctional SEC programs and found one on my second try.

My guess would be 20 P4 teams+ with 6 or more during that time frame, 2016 season through 2025,

A couple caveats there.

Lashlee had been OC since 2013, so he was OC for 4 years up through 2016. He was doing a fine job but left to get more autonomy as an OC and try to develop into a HC.

Dillingham left, not b/c he was fired or doing poorly...he actually coached Bo Nix up to be one of the better QBs in the SEC and had one of the most improved offenses in the SEC. He just left to follow Mike Norvell to FSU when he was hired there as head coach.

Lindsey was OC in 2017 and 2018 and led successful offenses, scoring 34.6 and 28.4 ppg. He left to become HC at Troy.

They at least had 3 good OCs who left for other opportunities. In our 10 years, aside from one brief 6-game stretch last year, we haven't experienced a successful OC. If we were churning through OCs because they were doing well enough to leave for other opportunities, that'd be a different story.

 

[18IsTheMan]

UF is close, but I dont see who was the 2021 OC

2016-17, Doug Nussmeier
2018-19, CO. Billy Gonzales, John Hevesy
2020, Brian Johnson
2021, ? Wiki doesnt say LOL
2022-23, Rob Sale
2024, Rob Sale/Russ Callaway
2025 Russ Callaway

And they have largely struggled during that time frame, like us.

I guess the pattern is: bad teams churn through lousy OCs.

 

[Gradstudent]

They at least had 3 good OCs who left for other opportunities. In our 10 years, aside from one brief 6-game stretch last year, we haven't experienced a successful OC. If we were churning through OCs because they were doing well enough to leave for other opportunities, that'd be a different story.

Dillingham left and became part of the churn at FSU, they have had 6 as well from 2016-2025

FSU is another program with 6 from 2016 -2025

Loggains left for HC gig at App State, and Bobo left to go be OC at Auburn and contribute to the turnover there, not everyone leaves with their tail between their legs

A lot of the same guys keep moving around, and 6 OC's form 2016-2025 is not uncommon at all for P4.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Has any P4 program burned through more failed OCs in the last 10 years than us?​

I always hated a pop quiz.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Dillingham left and became part of the churn at FSU, they have had 6 as well from 2016-2025

FSU is another program with 6 from 2016 -2025

Loggains left for HC gig at App State, and Bobo left to go be OC at Auburn and contribute to the turnover there, not everyone leaves with their tail between their legs

A lot of the same guys keep moving around, and 6 OC's form 2016-2025 is not uncommon at all for P4.

But Dillingham didn't leave Auburn b/c things weren't going well.

Bobo was a desperation hire by Mushcamp after he sucked it up at CSU, so we picked him up in the bargain bin...and his offense here wasn't very good.

Loggains is the one possible caveat for us, but none of our fans were terribly disappointed to see him go. Though Beamer made the worst possible hire to replace him so now we look back on Loggains' tenure as not that bad.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Has any P4 program burned through more failed OCs in the last 10 years than us?​

I always hated a pop quiz.

Had to edit the title again to reflect more clearly what I thought was obvious intent.

The point, of course, was not really asking for a list of programs who had as many more OCs during that time frame. Rather, it was merely to point out that in 10 years' time, we haven't had one OC who I think any of our fans would say "we would definitely want that guy back." I know there's a lot of coaching shuffle that goes on. Good programs replace OCs who leave for better opportunities. Bad programs, like us, replace OCs b/c they are ineffective. The Auburn example above is a good one. As much as they have struggled, they have had 2-3 good OCs in that time frame.

 

[Gradstudent]

Bobo was a desperation hire by Mushcamp after he sucked it up at CSU, so we picked him up in the bargain bin...and his offense here wasn't very good.

Maybe, but Beamer announced he was keeping Bobo and then Bobo left for Auburn that's 2 OC's that left on their own accord.

The idea about 6 OPC being unusual and all our OC's leaving because they got the boot is incorrect.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Maybe, but Beamer announced he was keeping Bobo and then Bobo left for Auburn that's 2 OC's that left on their own accord.

The idea about 6 OPC being unusual and all our OC's leaving because they got the boot is incorrect.

lol, ok....you're straining to miss the obvious intent, which was merely pointing out how we have had an uninterrupted string of bad/underwhelming OCs for 10 straight seasons.

Even in your Auburn example, they've had 2-3 successful OCs in that time frame. We haven't had a single OC in 10 years who our fans would say "we definitely want that guy back".

 

[Gradstudent]

lol, ok....you're straining to miss the obvious intent

No, if the point is Beamer and Muschamp were bad at hiring OC's, yeah I agree.

But you did not ask that, you asked has any P4 program burned through more failed OC's then us in the last 10 years.

And I answered, yes, many have, there are 20 + P4 programs that have gone through 6 our more OC's and it seems fairly common.

We can argue the subjectivity of failed or not, but if they were not fired and left on their own accord for what they considered a better job, hard to argue they were "failed" and we have 2 that fit that category.

 

[18IsTheMan]

No, if the point is Beamer and Muschamp were bad at hiring OC's, yeah I agree.

But you did not ask that, you asked has any P4 program burned through more failed OC's then us in the last 10 years.

And I answered, yes, many have, there are 20 + P4 programs that have gone through 6 our more OC's and it seems fairly common.

We can argue the subjectivity of failed or not, but if they were not fired and left on their own accord for what they considered a better job, hard to argue they were "failed" and we have 2 that fit that category.

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