Has West Montgomery played its last football game?

[btango]

Doubt all you want. You find it funny that the county fought tooth and nail to the bitter end to preserve a proud tradition? You find it funny once all options were exhausted that everyone wouldn't jump on board and support the high school and community? Maybe the fine folks at Albemarle would benefit from the same dedication that West Montgomery fans have and support their team regardless of their record. Never forget, you take away the Gaster years and Albemarle is no better a program than South Davidson or Chatham Central. What he did was great. It's legal now. It wasn't then. You know it and every body else in North Carolina knows it. A less than mediocre school all of sudden becomes a power house. Then, all of a sudden they return to less than mediocre once again. Sorry you have sour grapes. Not a very good look for you.

Probably should not have used "funny" to describe this. "Surprising" or "Disappointing."

Let me make it clear, I have major respect for the West Montgomery program and personally know many of the ones that have been a part of the success. I apologize to the good people of West Montgomery for using "funny." I do not wish bad will especially on young people. With that said and since the way you decided to roll...

"Sour?" You have the wrong guy. In Albemarle's best years I would see a few games at most and that is because I attend the state title games although 1A/1AA title games have never been my priority. I have seen West Montgomery play more than Albemarle the last several years. I am not a fan of one team. I am a fan of the game. I go to see the best teams and best players play and to support my friends that coach. I have been to games from Wilmington to Robbinsville seeing every classification this season.

"Surprising" or "Disappointing" that you would dump the proud tradition so quickly get off what some "fans" have called a sinking ship. You can spin it however you wish. Guaranteed if West was rolling to another title game (or a very strong season with a nice playoff run) you would be continuing to scorn at any thought of Montgomery Central and especially combining West with East before the new school even opens.

"All options?" Many in Montgomery County even West Montgomery supporters questioned people that were pushing for a charter school. Many felt the push was not what was positive for future generations but what "you" wanted for West Montgomery.

"Illegal?" "Sour?" Albemarle has five state title trophies and two Western NCHSAA trophies in their trophy case. Good for them. They are listed in the record books as state champions. I was not a player or coach or even attended many of their games. What do I have to be "sour" about now? I did not gloat in their victories.

 

[btango]

The years I am talking about were probably before you were born when there was 8 conference games and 2 non-conference games which were South Stanly and North Stanly for obvious reasons.

Nah. He is an old timer.

 

[Dogs9]

Thanks btango

 

[ITJ]

Yes. Benji Brown is rumored to be the new Head Coach. That's a rumor being thrown around. He would be an amazing hire.

He is one of the best football coaches in the state!

 

[ocdavis31]

He is one of the best football coaches in the state!

Maybe with AD thrown in and a substantial booster supplement. But I still don’t see it.

 

[PrepFanNC]

Going from a principal of a 500 student school to a principal of over 1000 will be a significant pay increase if he is selected.

As for the soon to be vacant East and West Montgomery buildings... are there plans for using them? The reason I am curious is that if school building lies vacant, the state can compel them to sell a facility To a charter school if one exists or opens.

I don’t think Montgomery county is a great place to open a charter thigh school at present. Mainly because of a shiny new 60+ million dollar facility. But nevertheless....

 

[WM_2004]

Don’t be surprised if he isn’t HC of new school. If not expect a established coach with a winning tradition. This County wants a ship bad and we are about to see just how bad soon

 

[ocdavis31]

Don’t be surprised if he isn’t HC of new school. If not expect a established coach with a winning tradition. This County wants a ship bad and we are about to see just how bad soon

Maybe he can bring his dad out of retirement. They make a pretty good team. As in 87-14. Maybe about $170k would get that done. LOL.

 

[DeadpoolX]

Maybe he can bring his dad out of retirement. They make a pretty good team. As in 87-14. Maybe about $170k would get that done. LOL.

After reading all the replies...I'll offer this. West Montgomery can afford any coach that is willing to show up. Never doubt it. How many teams have an indoor practice facility? btango, interesting read. You should put that in for the SNAP. Would help them out. I was a hard liner on the schools not combining. But, when it was the only option I along with many others jumped on board. Interesting times to say the least. We will know soon what the future holds.

 

[RD28327]

Am hearing that athletics at East Montgomery and West Montgomery will be merged for the 2019-20 school year whereas the building for the new Montgomery Central HS won't be open until the 2020-21 school year. Where will Montgomery Central be placed conference and classification wise until the next realignment taking place in 2021? The Tri-County 6 could become the "Quad County 7."

http://www.montgomeryherald.com/sports/article_2ef5adb2-edbc-11e8-baac-374222b58d8a.html

 

[Old Mountaineer]

Am hearing that athletics at East Montgomery and West Montgomery will be merged for the 2019-20 school year whereas the building for the new Montgomery Central HS won't be open until the 2020-21 school year. Where will Montgomery Central be placed conference and classification wise until the next realignment taking place in 2021? The Tri-County 6 could become the "Quad County 7."

http://www.montgomeryherald.com/sports/article_2ef5adb2-edbc-11e8-baac-374222b58d8a.html

Not unusual to combine the athletic programs before the new school building is built. Bowman high school and Harris high school combined thier programs in the 1975-76 season as Mitchell high school. The first classes in the new building wasn't until the 1978-79 school year

 

[Dogs9]

Sure looks like it would be more of headache combining sports teams while the students are in two different schools miles apart. It would require busing the athletes to the appropriate school where the practice for that sport would be practicing.

 

[WM_2004]

It will only be for a year, they will figure out what’s best. It’s time to move on and combine. Coaches is where I’m more interested, u don’t want lame duck HC in any sport. But being restricted on salary with schools still open they may just combine coaches as well for a year until new school is officially open. We’ll see

 

[PrepFanNC]

It will also be interesting to see how things work with staffing. Combining two schools doesn’t always mean that there will be a need for the entirety of both faculties.

It’s not ideal, but making sure the coaches are hired and placed into a position they are licensed for will come first. That can squeeze teachers out of positions. Not sure how Montgomery County feels about laying off teachers. Some systems are okay with it and others won’t.

Combining the athletic programs isn’t ideal. It might help with football numbers, but it will be a real pain and expense for all of the other sports.

I’ve heard of no instance in recent history in which this was allowed. It isn’t a given to happen now because of anything that happened 40 years ago. Way different time with way different things to think about.

 

[PrepFanNC]

East Davidson opened in 1961. They weren’t able to use their campus athletic facilities until a few years later. East Davidson used Pilot School as their campus until the new building was complete. (Pilot and Fair Grove Schools we’re merged).

Perhaps that’s a way to to this? Go ahead and merge them and just meet at one of the existing schools (if it can handle that ma h more kids)

 

[btango]

Polk County apparently combined the three schools athletic programs before they were consolidated into one.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

It will only be for a year, they will figure out what’s best. It’s time to move on and combine. Coaches is where I’m more interested, u don’t want lame duck HC in any sport. But being restricted on salary with schools still open they may just combine coaches as well for a year until new school is officially open. We’ll see

Mitchell combined the coaching staff and named the Harris HC but he was also a graduate from Bowman as the HC for Mitchell. Harris became the school stadium for football because it was bigger. The new school was finished in 78 but the football stadium wasn't until the 82 season ( in fact they were still working on it some during football camp) it was our first winning season. But wasn't easy putting the two together your talking about two schools that hated each other in the 60's they got in such a fight at a football game that the state ban them from playing for I believe two years.

 

[Griddie]

Maybe with AD thrown in and a substantial booster supplement. But I still don’t see it.

Coaching is in his blood brother. How can you not see it?

 

[Griddie]

It will also be interesting to see how things work with staffing. Combining two schools doesn’t always mean that there will be a need for the entirety of both faculties.

It’s not ideal, but making sure the coaches are hired and placed into a position they are licensed for will come first. That can squeeze teachers out of positions. Not sure how Montgomery County feels about laying off teachers. Some systems are okay with it and others won’t.

Combining the athletic programs isn’t ideal. It might help with football numbers, but it will be a real pain and expense for all of the other sports.

I’ve heard of no instance in recent history in which this was allowed. It isn’t a given to happen now because of anything that happened 40 years ago. Way different time with way different things to think about.

I think what alleviates many of those problems is the fact that there are only two schools in the county.

 

[PrepFanNC]

I think what alleviates many of those problems is the fact that there are only two schools in the county.

I agree. Only having two schools could help with most of that. But the staffing will likely be harder because of it. When Davidson County added Oak Grove, it led to some people being displaced, but. I one was fired. They were able to keep from firing anyone because attrition throughout the county allowed everyone to stay employed. There isnt anywhere to stash an extra math teacher that isn’t needed due to the combination. It’s either the school system ponies up their benefits, salary and supplement out of their local funds, or they cut them loose.

 

[ocdavis31]

Coaching is in his blood brother. How can you not see it?

Yes it is. But the reasons he gave it up are still there too.
I have deep respect for the whole Brown family. If he wants to return to coaching, I’d be very happy for him. Just don’t think it will happen. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong.

 

[PrepFanNC]

Yes it is. But the reasons he gave it up are still there too.
I have deep respect for the whole Brown family. If he wants to return to coaching, I’d be very happy for him. Just don’t think it will happen. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong.

When it comes to retirement, would a Booster Club supplement count in the retirement equation? I don’t know for sure, but I kind of think it would not. Plus, if it did, it could potentially bring down the “pension spiking” people from Raleigh. That mess gets expensive!

 

[DeadpoolX]

East Montgomery doesn't have a Booster's Club that could afford to buy ice for a middle school basketball game. Any money from Booster's will come from West Montgomery. The Booster's Club in the past has assisted with coaching searches and compensation. Money has not and will not be an issue when it comes from the support from the West side of the county. The other side, well, let's just say they have entered into an area they have no idea about. And I'm not going any further than that. The opening has garnered a hell of a lot of interest from numerous states. Take it for what it's worth but I think the coach is already in place. And you may very well be wrong ocdavis with your prediction. Sit back and let it play out. No need for pointless speculation over a job that technically doesn't even exist yet except for on paper.

 

[btango]

When it comes to retirement, would a Booster Club supplement count in the retirement equation? I don’t know for sure, but I kind of think it would not. Plus, if it did, it could potentially bring down the “pension spiking” people from Raleigh. That mess gets expensive!

Only way booster club supplement would be paid in retirement is if the booster club continued to pay it. That would not be part of the state pension.

 

[ocdavis31]

This conversation makes me curious. Is there any head coach in North Carolna that is paid as much as the principal they work for? Not talking about those who are also drawing pension from other states.

 

[burnsbulldogtweeter]

Am hearing that athletics at East Montgomery and West Montgomery will be merged for the 2019-20 school year whereas the building for the new Montgomery Central HS won't be open until the 2020-21 school year. Where will Montgomery Central be placed conference and classification wise until the next realignment taking place in 2021? The Tri-County 6 could become the "Quad County 7."

http://www.montgomeryherald.com/sports/article_2ef5adb2-edbc-11e8-baac-374222b58d8a.html

If this happens, I hope each sport has two separate Senior Nights for the combined teams next year, one at East Montgomery and one at West Montgomery. Each senior athlete deserves to be recognized at their own school.

 

[WM_2004]

Montgomery Central will get the coach they want. And luckily for the County he is already here

 

[btango]

This conversation makes me curious. Is there any head coach in North Carolna that is paid as much as the principal they work for? Not talking about those who are also drawing pension from other states.

Not close that I know if. Most 4A size school principals are making close to or over $100k I would expect.

 

[PrepFanNC]

Not close that I know if. Most 4A size school principals are making close to or over $100k I would expect.

The current model for principal pay has a lot to do with the school’s meeting expected growth. Not meeting growth can make for a 20,000 less per year difference.

But yes, 100k is about where a principal of a 4A school hovers in a lot of cases.

 

[WMHS]

On the question. Yes West and East have played their last games. It was approved earlier yesterday from what I hear. If I am wrong please correct me. Football coach hire and announcement will be soon I hope.

 

[btango]

The combination of sports teams was approved but I am curious to the stipulations that will be put in place. I expect they are playing 2A the next two seasons and I am curious to what stipulations will be included with this approval. I would think one may deal with playoff eligibility. Also, how is the school going to be branded. Will it be MC or will it become East and play their schedule? In the past I think one school became the “athletic” school so to speak. Very interesting. Good luck to them.

 

[WM_2004]

The stipulations are have to finish .500 and top 3 in conference to make playoffs. And they will be Montgomery Central, u aren’t gonna get WM folks to wear EM gear. That isn’t even in the toughts

 

[DeadpoolX]

Montgomery Central with Montgomery Central uniforms and colors. They will be placed into a conference just like they would have if the school would have opened on time. So many people on here "knew" how this was going to play out just like they "know" who is or isn't going to be the coach. My advice, like I said before, sit back and let it play out. The only thing that is different about the upcoming 2019-20 school year is that the Montgomery Central students will not physically be in the Montgomery Central High School in August. Plans were already in place for the opening in 2019. So playing as "East" is a ludicrous idea that is/was never an option. Playing at the 2A level was never an option. Like I said, just sit back and wait until the information is made public.

 

[btango]

The stipulations are have to finish .500 and top 3 in conference to make playoffs. And they will be Montgomery Central, u aren’t gonna get WM folks to wear EM gear. That isn’t even in the toughts

So if they are over .500 but finish fourth they stay home? If they finish second but under .500 they stay home?

Any other stipulations or requirements? The NCHSAA did not announce any specific items. I know Northampton County did something along these lines.

 

[WM_2004]

That’s all I know of.

 

[btango]

Montgomery Central with Montgomery Central uniforms and colors. They will be placed into a conference just like they would have if the school would have opened on time. So many people on here "knew" how this was going to play out just like they "know" who is or isn't going to be the coach. My advice, like I said before, sit back and let it play out. The only thing that is different about the upcoming 2019-20 school year is that the Montgomery Central students will not physically be in the Montgomery Central High School in August. Plans were already in place for the opening in 2019. So playing as "East" is a ludicrous idea that is/was never an option. Playing at the 2A level was never an option. Like I said, just sit back and wait until the information is made public.

Asking questions and there is some precedent.

“Playing at the 2A was never an option.” The numbers are 3A but are they playing 3A or are they taking East Montgomery’s slot and “playing down” in the Rocky River 2A?

 

[RD28327]

Combining East Montgomery and West Montgomery's #s will bring about 3A #s. So, why the heck can't the NCHSAA put them in a 3A league? Just move a few teams to the Rocky River 2A, like Salisbury and South Rowan. And, didn't Monroe and Parkwood want to drop to 2A?

 

[btango]

Combining East Montgomery and West Montgomery's #s will bring about 3A #s. So, why the heck can't the NCHSAA put them in a 3A league? Just move a few teams to the Rocky River 2A, like Salisbury and South Rowan. And, didn't Monroe and Parkwood want to drop to 2A?

Monroe and Parkwood were among the appeals that were denied.

My guess is Montgomery requested to “play down” in the East Montgomery slot and the Rocky River teams were ok with that.

 

[DeadpoolX]

None of that is confirmed. Montgomery Central is still in the works of finding out where the state is going to place them. The plan was, and still may be, to finish out the two years in the Rocky River just as the they would have if the building would be occupied. People need to move forward on this JUST AS IF the students were in the actual physical structure. The only difference is that they will be taking classes in two separate buildings. That's it. There has been some push back from a couple of schools that don't want them eligible for playoffs at the 2A level. That's being worked out.

 

[Weststanly1]

I Hurd that East was put in the Rocky River 2A to hold a spot for Montgomery Central that is a strong conference an will be stronger next year I see MC being at the top with Forest Hills, Mount Pleasant, an Anson County