Haywood County vs. NCHSAA-Denied
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This is what I was expecting for this realignment with 1A and 4A having at least 60% of the schools, or may be slightly more, in those two classes (30-20-20-30). 2A and 3A schools would be very close in enrollments and would not require a subdivide. Thought going to offset number of schools per class was not a bad idea and was the perfect solution if they did subdivide two classes for all sports. Further subdividing is coming, the schools are pushing for it.
This still doesn't get to the root of the problem... which is the realignment issues that we are currently experiencing.
I don't think the five classes solves any issues. You will still at the end of a realignment cycle have schools that are misaligned. You have to somehow address this issue. I still think that eliminating the importance of conference rank will help the big picture. If conference finish doesn't matter you can realign every year based upon current numbers. Use computer rankings like other states do solely and you will get more competitive match-ups. There will be some conferences with 3a and 1a schools (for example), but a loss to a good 3a that beats other 3a teams will actually help your ranking.
I understand the frustration Tuscola has and I truly feel they have a legitimate concern. My questions are, would this even be coming up if they were winning more consistently and competing for more Conference/State Titles? Is this about Pisgah being 2A and Tuscola thinks they shouldn't be? Is legal action really necessary? Maybe Pisgah should be 3A. What happens then? I guess you kick West Henderson and North Henderson to Freedom's conference and the two 4A schools ( South Caldwell and McDowell ) somewhere else. Where do you draw the line? There is a trickle down effect of everything. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
You have to look at geographics as well as enrollment when deciding on conferences. Tuscola is the farthest west 3A school ( i believe ) so playing in the current conference is the most logical way to do it without split conferences which most people hate for a myriad of reasons. Maybe a 2 year realignment would cure a lot of ills but when you start doing that then scheduling out of conference games as well as a new conference slate of games becomes an ordeal for some schools. I don't care what happens during a realignment whether it happens every 1,2,3,4 or 5 years someone is going to be unhappy.
You have to look at geographics as well as enrollment when deciding on conferences. Tuscola is the farthest west 3A school ( i believe ) so playing in the current conference is the most logical way to do it without split conferences which most people hate for a myriad of reasons. Maybe a 2 year realignment would cure a lot of ills but when you start doing that then scheduling out of conference games as well as a new conference slate of games becomes an ordeal for some schools. I don't care what happens during a realignment whether it happens every 1,2,3,4 or 5 years someone is going to be unhappy.
One of my statements in this thread was to go to a two year realignment schedule. I noted it has been discussed in the past but got lukewarm support.
I have never supported five classifications although it may be the best option one day. I saw a map several years ago with a five classification breakdown. Did not work well at all at that time. Five classes would also add more split classification conferences.
Absolutely. The most basic change cause a ripple effect often hurting another school much worse than the complainant that was the cause of change.
This has nothing to do with Pisgah, this was the BOE and the superintendent, along with the THS Principle, they had an article about it awhile back, I'll see if I can find it.
https://www.themountaineer.com/spor...cle_7bb2697c-5254-11e9-9da1-d7af45a3ed08.html
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The WNCHSAA became an entity due to the incompetence and unfair tactics of the NCHSAA back in 1929 and remained an entity until dissolved in 1977.
Yes sir...they do want be 2a like Pisgah..Don't let anyone mislead you on that fact... They will not tell you the current adm numbers if you ask.. Be assurred ...This will affect Pisgah in the future.
It does have something to do with Pisgah.. Your crazy if you think it doesnt..They want back in the conference with us.
Will this be settled before the next realignment ? If more schools would do the same then maybe we would not have these unfair conferences forced together, that doesn't make sense for some conferences!
Tuscola should be back in pisgah league, since pisgah has bigger enrollment. Just think how much stinktown would be crying if they were in the mac.
The biggest problem was when the NCHSAA decided to change from a 25% split for each classification to the current 20-30-30-20 method. It really broadened the eligible ADM's in the two middle classes. Haywood Co. knew the numbers were dropping for Tuscola but when the NCHSAA changed the percentages, for which there was never really a reason provided, it left them stuck in 3A .
What is amazing to see is a school/community with 1200 or so students in grades 10-12 30-35 years ago reduce 250-300 kids yet add the 9th grade in that time frame. Also looking back at numbers, the top end of 4A enrollment has nearly doubled in that same time frame, yet we still have 4 classes.
What is amazing to see is a school/community with 1200 or so students in grades 10-12 30-35 years ago reduce 250-300 kids yet add the 9th grade in that time frame. Also looking back at numbers, the top end of 4A enrollment has nearly doubled in that same time frame, yet we still have 4 classes.
The reason for the 20/30/30/20 split is because of the disparity in 1a and also 4a to a lesser extent.
Most of the 4A schools added a freshman class which normally has the most students of the four classes. The change in population bases has been crazy the last three or four decades.
Did the cutoff between 2A and 3A change that drastically. It seemed to be mostly 1A to 2A and 3A to 4A but I regress as I do not remember exactly where the separation was on the 25% x four classes.
I personally liked the offset number of teams but my proposal was for 1A and 4A to have the higher number (and may be more than 30%) but subdivide 1A and 4A for all team sports. If 2A and 3A have 16-20% of the schools the enrollment numbers would be very tight and not require subdividing in any sport to INCLUDE football.
4A had by far the largest discrepancy in the largest and smallest schools while 1A was percentage wise spread out too far. More schools in the classification but subdividing all sports for the playoffs seemed to make sense.
In Stokes County to throw another wrinkle in the school board is debating whether to allow students at the Stokes County Early College to participate in athletics. There two choices are to allow them to participate in athletics at one of the three high schools in the county or to have the student participate at the high school they would have attended if not choosing the early college. This changes ADM numbers at either one or three high schools.
Of course the other choice is leave as it is now and not allow them to participate in athletics.
I say let them play in their home school district. I don't think it would be fair to just say hey 1 school gets these kids.
In all likelihood it will be defeated simply because some schools will not vote either way. I hope I am wrong.
Unlike the Parochial school vote of several years ago, this vote will take place at the state meeting today and not be a live online vote. I would expect more schools to vote.
Eleven schools requested to be dropped a classification. Six were approved and five denied. One school, North Forsyth, with a larger enrollment than Tuscola was approved. North had lost nearly 250 students and 20% of the total enrollment from 2015 through 2019. The numbers show them losing more with future classes but the big issue in that situation is Forsyth County(!!).
The NCHSAA has polled schools about going to a two year alignment and the responses are about half and half. Some schools think two years keeps things like this from happening or the opposite where a school considerably outgrows their current classification. Others favor continuity and a longer set window for planning. For the most part the schools do not seem to favore major changes.
