And that why we-(Louisville fans) are looking at the NC State kicker side eye...you had "One Job"....geez...
Herbstreit new top 4 after OSU win. Agree?
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And that why we-(Louisville fans) are looking at the NC State kicker side eye...you had "One Job"....geez...
I dont have the ACC divisions memorized, are y'all in the same division as Clemson or could you potentially square off again kn the ACC championship?
Now compare those schedules to Michigan. If you did, you'd probably drop Michigan out.
Yup...best we can realistically play for is the ACC Orange Bowl Slot if/when Clemson wins the league and goes to the CFP-(Peach Bowl) or the NYD Six At Large-(Cotton Bowl)...the likely opponent for Clemson is between Miami, UNC or Virginia Tech in the Coastal Division.
Thing is, I don't really feel that the ACC should get a team in. This Clemson team seems similar to that Florida State team that just skated by until they got to the national semifinal game and got completely blasted. Meanwhile, Washington and Michigan dominate everybody they play. Washington will win their conference, and it won't be close, so they're in. Alabama is a lock, possibly a lock to win it all fairly easily. The winner of the Ohio State and Michigan game will get in, but probably for very different reasons. Ohio State has played a couple of teams that are much better than the teams Michigan scheduled OOC, but Michigan has blasted everybody. Same can't be said for Ohio State.
That leaves one spot for the playoffs. I think that will completely depend on either:
1. If West Virginia goes undefeated
or
2. If Texas A&M keeps the Alabama game close
If A&M keeps the Alabama game close, then I certainly think that you could make the case for them getting the #4 spot, especially if they have the same number of losses as Clemson (and possibly Louisville, unless they drop another game, then it goes from a 5% chance for Louisville to go to a 0% chance), as they will have almost certainly played better competition than either Clemson or Louisville (SEC West is the best division in football, 2 legit top 8 teams, to go with two other top 20 teams in Ole Miss and Arkansas, and Texas A&M holds a better win over an opponent that Clemson faced earlier this year in Auburn).
I think if West Virginia goes undefeated, they get the 4th spot. If Texas A&M keeps the Alabama game close, and wins the rest of the games the rest of the way, they get it. If West Virginia drops one, I don't see them getting it. If Texas A&M loses badly, or loses 2 games, they're out, and Clemson gets in.
Clemson could turn it around and start blowing everybody up that they face, but if they keep skating by, then they'll likely lose their spot. The committee seen this once before, from the same division in the same conference to boot, and based on that, I'm not sure the committee would give them a spot just because "they're undefeated".
The reason I give Texas A&M so much wiggle room with this scenario though is because they're such a complete team in all facets.
The ACC should absolutely get a team in the playoff unless UL and Clemson lose twice.
No Non Division/Conference 11-1 Team is getting in over a P5 Champion that is 12-1...already saw this happen last year with Ohio State...that extra game is huge in the CFP Committee view...the Big XII Champion is going to have to win 12 games and Baylor OOC schedules are pretty bad.
Perception will play a factor here as well. After the Michigan State disaster and Ohio State playing well and winning on new year last season, many looked back and said "Well, Ohio State looked like the better team, but Michigan State had the record". That, paired with the Florida State from a couple of years ago/Clemson this year parallels may have the selection committee using the eye test a bit more than in the past couple of years.
Would have to think that if there was a division in football that could get 2 teams in the top 4, it would be the SEC West.
Or the ACC Atlantic/B1G East...But only 4 slots and if Washington does what is expected just not enough slots...that why as even a Louisville guy never bought into getting in as a Division Runner up...the committee the past two years has put a premium on P5 Champs that play a Title Game...that why the Big XII is getting one next year.
Good points, but I still think Wisconsin is the best team in the Big10 and UoL the best team in the ACC. Ohio State, Michigan and Clemson will drop in the polls before all is said and done. Both Ohio State and Clemson got help from the refs this Weekend. Alabama and Washington will be in it, but after that it's a zebra crap shoot.
The real top 4 is probably
1. SEC Champ
2. Big 10 Champ
3. ACC Champ
4. PAC 10 Champ
Honorable mention:
Big 12 Champ
This is the AP Poll Top 12 this week...most likely candidates for the CFP...
- Alabama
- Ohio State
- Clemson
- Michigan
- Washington
- Texas A&M
- Louisville
- Nebraska
- Baylor
- Wisconsin
- Houston
- West Virginia
Auburn lost to Clemson, ACC'a best team in a very close game. And, Ole Miss lost to FSU. Are you bragging about that?
Some of those teams have great opportunities ahead to solidify their claim. Others do not. It happens every year. Teams pass other teams late in the season, even though both teams win. A conference championship victory also can play a big role where the other team is sitting at home waiting for the picks.
Agreed....and your point on the Conference Championship victory is on point...a 12 win especially over another Top 20 CFP School is invaluable
BTW...My point was that Alabama is number 1 in the country and has won something like 18 straight games!
I was being facetious toward the fool that said OSU would "murder" them.
Then why did you quote me? Seems snarky posts about quotes should at least get the quote right.
I believe Herbstreit is speaking of Right NOW, not at the end of the season. It will look quite different then IMO.
This just shows that in the next Oh, 4 or 5 years you will see an 8 team playoff, too many evenly matched Power 5 teams, and too much Money to be made !!
This just shows that in the next Oh, 4 or 5 years you will see an 8 team playoff, too many evenly matched Power 5 teams, and too much Money to be made !!
Ohio State is a very young team. Winning at Wisconsin is a huge win. Ohio State has as much or more talent than Alabama. I also think Bama's freshmen QB will be their Achilles at some point.
Not wrong. UL has beaten a mediocre FSU team and no one else. The rest of the schedule is less than stellar. You can keep dreaming of playoffs but UL will never make it. This year or any other year. As far as your "tweet", one loss was to an average Auburn team and the other was to a 3-3 Ole Miss team. So nice try bringing in irrelevant stats to prop your lame argument.
[laughing] Everyone reads through your clown act. You are a ghetto commuter school fan all the way.
It's very questionable that Ohio St. has as much or more talent than Alabama, and, by the time Ohio St. and Alabama play, Alabama's QB will for all practical purposes will have more experience than 2017 sophomores- 13 or 14 games.
If OSU has more talent than Bama, I assume when Bama beats them if they play we will all know they have better coaching.
Yes...they beat a "mediocre" Consensus Top 15 FSU team by 43 Points...FSU is Top 15 in the AP & Coaches Poll and Top 15 in Sagarin & ESPN FPI...don't know the future but as of the here and now Louisville is Top 7 in both the AP & Coaches Poll & Top 7 in the Sagarin/ESPN FPI along with according to Fox Bruce Feldman and Las Vegas Odds makers they have the Strong Frontrunner for the Heisman Trophy. Depending on how Louisville finish the pressure will be on them for the CFP because of basically 14-16 returning players with previous starting experience including #8 going into 2017.
PS...You also realize that both Auburn and Ole Miss are currently in both Top 25....on the two team that lost to ACC schools from the SEC West.
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I am surprised he didn't have Wisconsin in there too. They would have beaten tOSU if refs hadn't suddenly gone blind on 2 crucial plays, one a TD where tOSU was holding. One the OL pulled a defender of tOSU's qb with a horsecollar, not once but twice on the same play, I can't believe that wasn't called. Looked like Big10 Commish has put the word out that the Big10 needs an undefeated champion.
But to your point, Washington is playing the best ball right now, they are smart, physical and very good, the last couple of weeks they would have beaten anyone in the country, they may have peaked too quick and drop a game, but I don't see how you can leave them out of the top 4 behind Clemson who could be looking at 3 losses right now. tOSU and Michigan probably have the 2 best wins, over Wisconsin who might be a top 6 team.
OU may run the table in the Big12, that keeps the Big12 out of the playoffs, but suppose they don't, Baylor runs the table, combined with Bama, Clemson, Washington, winner of Big10. That gives you 5 P5 champions who are undefeated, no way a conference gets 2 teams in, OU winning the Big 12 cuts it to 4, still no way 2 teams get in. Someone drops a game, the loser of Michigan/tOSU may get in before a 1 loss conference champion.
Baylor will have to be in that discussion too if they beat tex next week in austin. they're avg 40+ pts a game and haven't given up a point in the fourth qtr so far.
LOL, you can't credibly say "wrong" here. 1-loss Michigan is getting in over one-loss UL. Michigan would have good wins over PSU, Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa. UL would have a win over FSU. Plus, Michigan would have the "brand advantage" over UL (just like Ohio state had over Baylor and TCU in 2014). UL plays a bad schedule, as usual, and it will hurt them in the end.
My "argument" is that it is way too early to make many definitive arguments of who will and won't be in playoffs. Let the season play out, then we can determine who might or might not be deserving. My earlier post wasn't trying to make any type of argument other than that. It was more of an addition of a small fraction of data that could bring into question some others' posts who are already making definitive arguments against UofL, ACC, etc. Just too small a sample size at this point in the season.
If you are going to claim that Auburn & Ole Miss are just "average" teams when you're discussing FSU & Clemson, then, to be unbiased, you must use the same analogy when discussing teams like LSU (whom Auburn beat), Arkansas (whom Ole Miss almost beat, and is an 8.5 point dog vs Auburn this week), Alabama (who was outplayed by Ole Miss for 3 quarters), and Texas A&M (whose biggest wins are probably Auburn, Ark, and Tenn, who lost by 40 at home Saturday, and barely escaped in games vs Georgia, Ohio & Appalacian State).
Louisville's win over FSU looks less impressive today than it did then, no question, but don't act they're just a mediocre team, when They're still a ranked team, as is Ole Miss, Tenn, Auburn & Arkansas. I'm not sure there is a heck of a lot of difference between any of those 5 teams. But if you think they are all mediocre, that's fine, that's your opinion. All I ask is that you keep that opinion when analyzing your SEC team schedules.
Give your opinions, it's what message boards are for. But when you make definitive statements with limited data, be prepared to be challenged on them.
Washington may be the most overrated team in the top 10. They have beaten no one.
Sat, Sep 3 Rutgers W 13 - 48
Sat, Sep 10 Idaho W 14 - 59
Sat, Sep 17 Portland State W 3 - 41
Sat, Sep 24 Arizona W 35 - 28
Fri, Sep 30 Stanford W 6 - 44
Sat, Oct 8 Oregon W 70 - 21
They do not play a ranked team until they play Utah which is #19 this week.
Clemson's best 2 games were Auburn and Louisville and they won by a combined 11 points at home. And should have lost to NC State except for a missed field goal.
Michigan at least beat Wisconsin. Louisville crushed Florida State. Texas A&M has beaten Arkansas, Auburn and Tennessee. An argument could be made for TAMU being the 4th team at the moment.
It all goes back to when a team loses. Losses late in the year give a team with a blemish little time to correct the the loss.
There is a big problem here. They have blasted mostly everyone is the issue. They have played 2 games away from home, one went to OT against (2-5) Arizona, the other was a beat down at (2-4) Oregon. Other than that they have beaten Idaho, Rutgers, Portland State. Not world beaters.
The only win over a team better than .500 is Stanford.
Way too much love going to Washington.
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