What I want to see is how the FSU Defense does with Derwin James back against Clemson...and you're correct on Francios.
What I would add with Ohio State is they have Barnett...that also separate them from Michigan.
Herbstreit new top 4 after OSU win. Agree?
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What I want to see is how the FSU Defense does with Derwin James back against Clemson...and you're correct on Francios.
What I would add with Ohio State is they have Barnett...that also separate them from Michigan.
OSU did not "blast" them. OSU outscored Wisconsin 17-7 in the second half (Badgers took the first 16-6). The boxscore is almost identical for these teams.
Probably the same way a 3-3 Ole Miss team is still in the Top 25 with 3 losses.
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Find a post of mine where I ever said UL belongs in the playoff. You can't, because it doesn't exist. I don't think UL is getting into the playoffs because I don't think Clemson is losing twice, and I don't think a non-conf champ is getting in, nor do I think they should.
But I do think they have a very good football team, and perhaps, the nation's best player. I have no idea who will be in the playoffs, or who deserves to be. It's just too early for me to definitively have an opinion on that. I could guess, but it would simply be a guess. But if you want my guess, as of today, I would guess Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, and Washington, the 4 P5 Championship game winners. But I'd almost wager that there would be a surprise team or two.
My preseason picks were Alabama, Michigan, FSU and Washington. I no longer like FSU, obviously, and I'm just not sure about how good Washington is, but I really respect their coach. I don't think Michigan makes it unless they run the table, but they too, have a great coach. OSU will be tough to beat in the shoe.
If I inferred wrongly that you thought UL deserved to be in the playoffs, I will own that. It seems many of your fellow fans feel that way that post on here. I also think UL has a very good team- as much as it pains me to say that. However, I stand by my other posts that they do not belong in the playoffs.
How dare you compare me to a clown during these troubling clown times. Good day to you sir!!!! or ma'am or whatever or whoever that is in your picture.
Tennessee. And no one missed any point.
So if TAMU beats Bama, they are not in the playoff picture.
A .500 in the ACC is exactly the same as the SEC. As it is in the B1G.
It is all opinions, but I think you are remiss to put so much love on teams. I like TAMU very much, they are the only SEC team that has played enough decent teams to be able to say they are good. Also, I am not going to go crazy over Auburn/Clemson, match-ups and style play a very important role as does it being the first game for both teams.
I would think LSU/FSU is a pickem' game. Louisville/TAMU would be fun to watch.
I am not sure if I take Ole Miss over us. Ole Miss has beaten no one. Ole Miss plays well enough to be in games, but has yet to beat anyone. Georgia is the best win and we have a chance to beat them.
Bama's schedule is about to get better, but using your own criteria (Auburn/Clemson) Tennessee should have lost to App St. Tennessee gets to have 5 bye weeks to finish the season. The best team they will have beaten is VT.
And winning a side of the conference is not very impressive when your victories are Utah St. Arizona St, Colorado, and Arizona. Well done USC.
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Who are the best wins for Washington, Baylor and WVU. Too much love for not beating ANY good teams.
No it isn't. Not even close.Tennessee. And no one missed any point.
So if TAMU beats Bama, they are not in the playoff picture.
A .500 in the ACC is exactly the same as the SEC. As it is in the B1G.
How is being .500 in the SEC better than being .500 in the ACC or Big10 ? If you really look at it once you get past the top 3 in each of those conferences the rest are a bunch average to below average teams.
I don't think anyone is giving Nebraska a pass. I've watched all their games. They aren't top 10, but the fact is they are 6-0. It will all shake out in the end. It's too early in the season to get too worked up about the top 10. I'm just enjoying the 6-0 while it lasts. Most Nebraska fans are the same way as far as I can tell. No one expects them in the playoff.
It's not. Does it really make someone feel better to say we got beat by a better team than you got beat by. You lost to Clemson #3, we got beat by Bama #1. I do not feel any better having lost to a better team.
What I look at is who has a team beaten. Our best win is Vandy or South Carolina. Yours is FSU.
Since you cannot compare Team A to Team C by how they played Team B, it is all opinion and finding the stat that supports your opinion.
I just do not understand what the voters see in so many teams. Applaud Nebraska for winning, many teams have folded against worse competition. Only 1 team is above .500.
Sat, Sep 3 vs Fresno State W 10 - 43 (1-6)
Sat, Sep 10 vs Wyoming W 17 - 52 (4-2)
Sat, Sep 17 vs Oregon W 32 - 35 ------- way to close (2-4)
Sat, Sep 24 @ Northwestern W 24 - 13 (3-3)
Sat, Oct 1 vs Illinois W 16 - 31 (2-4)
Sat, Oct 15 @ Indiana W 27 - 22 (3-3)
With all do respect, the SEC east is a joke. Probably the worst P5 power conference out there right now.
Same with Washington as of right now. Their one good win got blown out the following week and is now unranked.
FSU may not be ranked in a few games. I am not sure that UL has much of a leg to stand upon when it comes to "good wins."
Other than Zona, the Huskies have taken care of business beating people the way you would expect from a very good team. There is not a whole lot different between UL and the Huskies, except UL dropped a game against a team that cannot put four quarters together in their P5 games and the Huskies are undefeated.
UL fans want to puff NC State, because it almost did what Troy almost did and what Auburn almost did against Clemson AND because UL has to play NC State and fans are not yet sure how that will turnout. NC State has beaten NO ONE, lost to a bad ECU team, and then should have beaten the best team in the ACC. UL and ACC fans want to say that is because NC State is good (parity!!!!), but how can someone say that the Huskies or Cornhuskers have not proven themselves AND say that NC State is a good team?
You're entitled to your opinion(s), but when your facts are wrong, I will point it out. A&M is NOT the only SEC team that has played "enough decent teams to be able to say they are good". Alabama played (and beat) USC. Tennessee played (and beat) virginia tech. Georgia played (and beat) UNC. Auburn played (and lost close) to Clemson. Arkansas played (and beat) TCU.
On to your other (non) points:
-I actually agree with you on Ole Miss. There is no doubt that they're talented, but wildly inconsistent (still not sure how they lost to this FSU team after leading by 3 TD).
-Georgia beat the 2nd or 3rd best team in your conference at a neutral site (UNC).
-Of course, winning a side of a major conference is impressive. USC will have had to play Utah, UCLA, Washington, Stanford, and others to win the Pac 12 south. That's a good schedule, plus they play Bama, Notre Dame in the OOC.
-Tennessee should have lost to App State, no doubt. But, they probably also should have beaten A&M. In the end, they're a good team with mediocre coaching and a lot of injuries. Not sure that Tennessee isn't better than FSU or Clemson this year.
It's much better. The SEC is down by its own lofty standards, but it's better than both of those leagues. The best team in the SEC is better than any other conference. The top 3 in the SEC are just as good as those in any other conference (and in some cases, better). And the depth from top to bottom is better than any other conference.
The SEC east takes its lumps from the media, but it still holds its own against outside competition.
The thing is for the most part they have done what you are supposed to do against inferior teams and that is crush them
You are being silly. You are calling teams decent in one thread and mediocre in another.
Georgia beat TAMU. When. Georgia is a bad team that got press early. Individual matchups can make a good team look bad against one team and world beaters against a better team.
USC is good. Do not believe it. Their best win might be Utah St. Please do not bring ND into any conversation about good football. Other than being a name brand, they are horrible. Same with Stanford.
Tennessee also got beat by App St. Is App St good enough to be considered decent. No. Not going tobit on Tennessee being anything more than overrated. 9 point win against Ohio not Ohio State. A Squeaker against Georgia.
UNC might be the 5th of 6th best in the ACC. But that does not matter.
Nice talking with you. Time for lunch.
And Vandy would win the whole ACC. That statement is about as moronic as your delusion. What NC State did at Clemson is no better than what Troy did. Maybe Troy should join the ACC.
Alabama's big running backs look slow, but they run away from everyone... It looks really weird to see those big RB's, who look to be big & slow, run off and leave those fleet looking CB's in the dust... I'm talking about those racers from UT and other fleet corners in the SEC...
You've gone from being a bad debater to just making things up.
You say "Georgia beat TAMU". Um, no they didn't.
You say Tennessee got beat by App St. They did not.
You should quit while you're ahead, you're getting killed on this thread (and others).
That is correct. Tennessee whipped Virginia Tech in that Gameday opener in Bristol. Georgia beat UNC, and Vandy was blown out by Georgia Tech.
UNC, Va Tech, Georgia, & Tenn have all been incredibly inconsistent, with some pretty-good looking performances mixed in with some awful head-scratchers. All four look like pretenders for the most part, with some talent, and capable of being a dangerous team one week, and pretty inept the next.
The Syracuse double digit beating of Virginia Tech was stunning....Georgia, no excuse with them.
All 4 of those teams have been in games this year that I've felt their dismal performance was rather stunning, as well as sparkling performances that were rather stunning. These things are hard to decipher right now, but I'm sure will be a bit clearer as the season plays out. Which has been the theme of all my posts in this thread....just too early to make definitive conclusions on who belongs in the playoffs and who doesn't even deserve a second look.
When I posted the records of the SEC West v SEC East & ACC earlier, it was to add data to refute someone's definitive claim, as well as provide further evidence that it is too early to make these judgements. A couple of posters misunderstood the context of that stat and assumed that I was using that stat as justification that UL belongs in the playoff, despite the fact that I never wrote anything about that. But I did write about it being too early in nearly every post, and a poster who revealed the stat of ACC vs SEC East later in the thread, actually was providing further proof of that.
Let it play. UL is not out of it yet, but they have a very tall task in front of them. I don't think they make, baring a great finish and a lot of help from many others...but they're definitely not "out" yet.
Absolutely....let it play out...this past weekend was proof alone that is the case...
I mean nobody is "out" of it yet...but UL doesn't have much of a chance. Their schedule has crumbled around them (no fault of their own) and that just isn't helping. FSU being a middle of the top 25 ranked team instead of rallying after their loss, Houston not being undefeated coming into that game etc. Watch out for NC States DL vs ULs OL...could be interesting.
I also think UL could've handled the moment against an undefeated Houston @ Houston, which would've put them back near the top 4 of the playoff pic..
I also think UL could've handled the moment against an undefeated Houston @ Houston, which would've put them back near the top 4 of the playoff pic..
People freaking out about UL and the playoff need look no further than 2007. UK was ranked in the top 10 after beating LSU and hosting UF with gameday in town. A few losses (one to an unranked and bad MSU team) later, the bloom was off the rose.
Similarly, Andre Woodson was a heisman frontrunner (not quite the same hype as Lamar Jackson, but it wasn't THAT much less). UL plays the little sisters of the poor the rest of the season and what was supposed to be a "blockbuster" matchup of mid majors in November is starting to wilt now that Houston is struggling each and every week.
In the end, Michigan, A&M, any 1-loss power-5 conference champion, and a host of other teams would all get the nod over UL.
Similarly, Andre Woodson was a heisman frontrunner (not quite the same hype as Lamar Jackson, but it wasn't THAT much less). UL plays the little sisters of the poor the rest of the season and what was supposed to be a "blockbuster" matchup of mid majors in November is starting to wilt now that Houston is struggling each and every week.
In the end, Michigan, A&M, any 1-loss power-5 conference champion, and a host of other teams would all get the nod over UL.
Do we need to rehash the long list of run ins UK has had with the NCAA over the years ? Heck there is a thread on here about UK honoring their 1976 co-champion SEC football team. If I am not mistaking that team ended up on probabtoin and wasn't allowed to go to a bowl game the following year.
I am as pro SEC as anyone, but I know enough football to realize the SEC is way down this year. QB play in the SEC is bad all though the conference and that is being kind. SEC East has Dobbs at UT and no one else is playing well right now, poster is right, SEC east is embarassing right now. With that said, Houston losing pretty much sealed UofL not making the playoffs this year. A chance all 5 P5 conferences has an undefeated champion which would mean no 1 loss team gets in and 1 undfeated conference champion doesn't. If 2 conference champions end up with a loss both get in unless 1 is Baylor. If there is a 1 loss non conference champion getting in, mark it down, it will be Michigan/tOSU loser. Reality is, neither is a guarantee to be Wisconsin if they play them in the Big10 championship. That would really muddy things up. Do you take a 2 loss Big10 champion and omit 2 1 loss Big 10 teams? From what the committee has stated in the past they put a huge emphasis on conference championship. That would be fun to see, Big10 fans fuming if tOSU and Mich both get left out.
I'm locking this thread becasue it's turned into an over the line smack exchange.
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