how can anyone be happy with Mullen at 2-6 in the SEC?

digdawg

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With the only SEC wins against two of the worst SEC teams in history, Kentucky and Ole Miss, why are people happy with him? I can't see any job offers in his future if an AD closely looks at his record. In year 3, with a veteran team of starters that he didn't recruit, dominated by juniors and seniors but sprinkled with some poor play from Mullen's OL recruits, we went 2-6 in the SEC. No youth excuses on this team or building for the future. All other wins were against horrific DI and DI-AA teams, and the one exception (La. Tech) took us to OT at home and really blew the game at the end. Recruiting wise, we've been ranked 10th or worse in the SEC for all classes that Mullen recruited (save his first one, which were Croom committments). How is that a resume for a new job?<div> As Illinois AD said when he fired Zook today, "To me, it is about how you compete in your conference." Given the talent dropoff about to happen when Croom recruits Fletcher Cox and Jonathan Banks and Charles Mitchell and others leave, I can't see why any team would hire him, but I can understand why Mullen would leave. </div><div>
</div><div> This year, we beat Memphis, La. Tech, Tenn-Martin (didn't know they had a team), UAB, KY, and Ole Miss. We finished 2-6 in the SEC conference. Mullen finished 2-6 in the SEC in his first year also.</div><div>
</div><div> Here are the teams we beat this year with their Sagarin Ratings and ratings:</div><div> Memphis, #183 2-10</div><div> Tenn Martin #179 5-6</div><div> UAB #154 3-9</div><div> Miss. # 108 2-10</div><div> Kentucky # 84 5-7</div><div> La Tech #46 8-4 (OT victory)</div><div>
</div><div> Combined record of teams we beat this year: 25-46</div><div> Two wins against top 100 competition: La. Tech and Kentucky</div><div>
</div><div> let's compare to the year that Croom got fired for - 2008:</div><div> Record 4-8</div><div> SEC record: 2-6 (same)</div><div> </div><div> Different losses:</div><div> Mississippi Sagarin #10, 9-4</div><div> Georgia Tech #36, 9-4</div><div> Kentucky # 49, 7-6</div><div> La. Tech, #87, 8-5</div><div> </div><div> Additional Wins:</div><div></div><div> Vanderbilt #39, 7-6</div><div> Arkansas #64, 5-7</div><div> Middle Tenn. #112, 5-7</div><div> SE Louisana # 181 5-7</div><div></div><div> Combined record of teams we beat in 2008: 22-27</div><div> </div><div> So, we got two more wins this year than in the year that got Croom fired - but it was against far worse competition and both of the additional wins came against teams outside the top 100 in college football. Going to a bowl this year is entirely due to easier OOC scheduling by the AD, and nothing else. Yet fans are happy about a team that is no better than the team that Croom got fired for, with worse recruiting classes the past two years? I guess you can fool most of the people most of the time by scheduling an easy OOC schedule.</div><div> By the way, that team played both Auburn and LSU closer than we did year and lost by less to each.</div><div> What matters for the future is recruiting - and if Mullen doesn't reverse the trend this year away from worse recruiting classes than Croom, we are never going to improve. Never. Nothing else matters. Further, we are going to extremely inexperienced after next year all over the team. Only 1 starters on defense - 1- did not commit to Croom in recruiting. Those guys are going to be graduating.</div>
 

digdawg

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With the only SEC wins against two of the worst SEC teams in history, Kentucky and Ole Miss, why are people happy with him? I can't see any job offers in his future if an AD closely looks at his record. In year 3, with a veteran team of starters that he didn't recruit, dominated by juniors and seniors but sprinkled with some poor play from Mullen's OL recruits, we went 2-6 in the SEC. No youth excuses on this team or building for the future. All other wins were against horrific DI and DI-AA teams, and the one exception (La. Tech) took us to OT at home and really blew the game at the end. Recruiting wise, we've been ranked 10th or worse in the SEC for all classes that Mullen recruited (save his first one, which were Croom committments). How is that a resume for a new job?<div> As Illinois AD said when he fired Zook today, "To me, it is about how you compete in your conference." Given the talent dropoff about to happen when Croom recruits Fletcher Cox and Jonathan Banks and Charles Mitchell and others leave, I can't see why any team would hire him, but I can understand why Mullen would leave. </div><div>
</div><div> This year, we beat Memphis, La. Tech, Tenn-Martin (didn't know they had a team), UAB, KY, and Ole Miss. We finished 2-6 in the SEC conference. Mullen finished 2-6 in the SEC in his first year also.</div><div>
</div><div> Here are the teams we beat this year with their Sagarin Ratings and ratings:</div><div> Memphis, #183 2-10</div><div> Tenn Martin #179 5-6</div><div> UAB #154 3-9</div><div> Miss. # 108 2-10</div><div> Kentucky # 84 5-7</div><div> La Tech #46 8-4 (OT victory)</div><div>
</div><div> Combined record of teams we beat this year: 25-46</div><div> Two wins against top 100 competition: La. Tech and Kentucky</div><div>
</div><div> let's compare to the year that Croom got fired for - 2008:</div><div> Record 4-8</div><div> SEC record: 2-6 (same)</div><div> </div><div> Different losses:</div><div> Mississippi Sagarin #10, 9-4</div><div> Georgia Tech #36, 9-4</div><div> Kentucky # 49, 7-6</div><div> La. Tech, #87, 8-5</div><div> </div><div> Additional Wins:</div><div></div><div> Vanderbilt #39, 7-6</div><div> Arkansas #64, 5-7</div><div> Middle Tenn. #112, 5-7</div><div> SE Louisana # 181 5-7</div><div></div><div> Combined record of teams we beat in 2008: 22-27</div><div> </div><div> So, we got two more wins this year than in the year that got Croom fired - but it was against far worse competition and both of the additional wins came against teams outside the top 100 in college football. Going to a bowl this year is entirely due to easier OOC scheduling by the AD, and nothing else. Yet fans are happy about a team that is no better than the team that Croom got fired for, with worse recruiting classes the past two years? I guess you can fool most of the people most of the time by scheduling an easy OOC schedule.</div><div> By the way, that team played both Auburn and LSU closer than we did year and lost by less to each.</div><div> What matters for the future is recruiting - and if Mullen doesn't reverse the trend this year away from worse recruiting classes than Croom, we are never going to improve. Never. Nothing else matters. Further, we are going to extremely inexperienced after next year all over the team. Only 1 starters on defense - 1- did not commit to Croom in recruiting. Those guys are going to be graduating.</div>
 

missouridawg

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I've stared at my screen for 15 minutes trying to think of something to say in return, but I'm not sure he'd understand any of it, so why waste the time?
 

AzzurriDawg4

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If we were playing LT schedules the last 2 years, I doubt we would be going to back to back bowl games. <div>
</div><div>I still support Mullen, but I completely agree that he deserves some criticism. I still wouldn't go comparing him to Croom, because Mullen at least gets his players ready to play, is a great marketer and I believe a harder worker than Croom. Though his offensive system clearly isnt unstoppable, it is still superior to Croom's. But I am not sure Mullen could have done too much better with Croom's schedule and Croom's teams. Bottom line, he is going to have to recruit better players and hire someone to coach special teams and someone else to bring a new perspective on the spread.</div><div>
</div><div>I will throw something else out there, that I will expound on more later in the week when I have some more time....I am not as high on Chris Wilson as some on here. Let me qualify that, I think he is a quality coach, but I still think we could have gotten more out of our defense this year. We had a LOT of talent on defense. </div>
 

Incognegro

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I'm not even going to waste my time and read that garbage. We're going to back to back bowls which we haven't done since 98. We don't even have a historic pedigree of coaches finishing above .500. I'm not even going to touch the fact with how hard our division has been. If you seriously can't see that then you're a 17n idiot. It's one thing to dislike Mullen and think that we could do better than him, but it's another thing to start propaganda acting like he hasn't done **** considering how bad we've been historically and everything we've had to go against since he's been hired.
 

thunderclap

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I only see people happy about beating OM again and going to another bowl, probably Nashville. Just because you're happy about those things doesn't mean you aren't disappointed in others. I'm still pissed about the SC and Auburn games.
 

Goat Grindin

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but as a DC? I'm not so sure either. But the stats bear out that he's done a pretty good job. My opinion is usually based on my own eye test.<div>
</div><div>I disagree with the notion we had A LOT of talent on defense. Let's let him coach these guys as seniors first. Those 3 guys we lost last year are all contributing on NFL rosters. McPhee is starting for the %$%!$** RAVENS. Almost makes me think that Diaz is the one that's overrated.</div><div>
</div><div>On Croom, I think many folks criticize him more than he deserves. He ran a decent program. Just was inept offensively, had terrible special teams and made repeated bonehead decisions. But Mullen does everything better than Croom. Croom started recruiting at a high clip in 2007, his 4th class. The 2012 class will be Mullen's 4th. Let's judge him then.</div><div>
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Coach34

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you are a freakin idiot...nobody is overjoyed about being 2-6 in the SEC- but it beats the alternative<div>
</div><div>btw- LSU was 8-5 in 2008- now they are 12-0...think there is a little difference there?</div>
 

mstatefan88

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Some people are just plain stupid. Obviously we aren't happy with 2-6 in the SEC. This rebuilding process is going to take time. I was hoping for a signature win by now, and I'm upset that we haven't gotten it yet. We've been very close, and I think next year is the year we go out and beat an Auburn or an SC. But it is very obvious Mullen has turned the program around and we are much better because of that. If you dispute that, become a fan of some other team.

Last year, we caught UF and UGA in very atypical bad years, and we happened to capitalize on it. This year, we replaced UF with a much better SC team, and UGA was vastly improved from last year. Relf was hurt and we had inconsistent QB play most of the year,the OL was banged up and we had to play some guys with zero game experience, and we had a brand new DC. Tough year, but we still managed to get to a bowl game, which is all that matters.

I wanted 7-5 at the beginning of the year because it was reasonable to believe we could get 7 wins. We got 6, and still got a bowl, which means a 2nd year in a row of extra practices and extra reps for guys like Day, Robinson, Clausell, Muniz, Russell, Prescott,Griffin, and a bunch of others weare going tobuild around. We showed that we had some consistent success, and that we aren't a doormat anymore that's just going to get run over every week in theSEC against the top teams in the conference. 2 years of a bowl in a row is improvement at MSU, and we have to realize that at this moment, it's about as good as we can hope for. Mullen is slowly building the base, the right way, and until he does something to make me believe he isn't doing his job and doing what's in the best interest for MSU, I'm behind him 100%
 

AzzurriDawg4

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Cox and Boyd will also likely be NFL starters. A lot of times when a defense has two DTs like that, little else matters. But we also had quality depth behind them. Add a shutdown corner, 2 solid senior safeties, Nickoe for most of the year, Lawrence and Skinner emerging at LB over the year, etc. We had a lot of talent. Of course I am not talking Bama/LSU talent, but it was substantial. <div>
</div><div>As far as Wilson's recruiting goes, I will agree, looks good so far, but the test will be who he brings in this year. Who did he really bring in his first year? There are a bunch of legit defensive prospects out on the line: Ward, Evans, Autry, B. Brown, R. Brown, etc. Sadly, whether he lands them or not, he is still probably our best recruiter. </div>
 

Hector.sixpack

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Mullen and Stricklin have one- good schedule, redshirt players, develop qbs, have 25 seniors that are 23 yrs old every year. Market like nobody's business, build new facilities and raise money like never before. Get recruits to camps to evaluate talent personally. It fits.

This aint a horse race.

Btw- I do agree Mullen has to recruit better...but im still trying to figure out what better is.
 

engie

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According to the source of your novel and basis for your slant, Sagarin, this current MState team is the 31st best in the land(top 25%). The 2008 team was 93rd(bottom 25%). His formula mathematically accounts for all the data that you applied your personal bias to, broke down into small data sets to support that bias, then stumbled through for 5 paragraphs.

Next on the agenda...dispelling this talk of Croom's suddenly mythical recruiting...
 

bulldogs726

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a good stat they showed last night. Last two years we have not lost to a team that was not ranked at the time. 0 losses in games we should have won
 

digdawg

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we lost to every halfway decent team on our schedule. We beat all we should have beat, but due to scheduling, they are terrible teams.
 

PBRME

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You forgot to add the records of the teams we lost to. Or I just over looked it because I couldn't bring myself to read the whole post.

Total record of the teams we lost to. 60 & 12. That averages out to 10 & 2.

Total regular season record of teams Croom lost to in 2008, 58 & 39. That's an avg of 7-5.

How many bad losses did we have under Croom? Maine, Tulane, UAB, and LA Tech pop up in my head right away. We put so many bad performances on the field that it pisses me off just thinking about it.

Also, about Croom's stellar recruiting. Let's compare.

Croom, 04-class was so shittastic it's not ranked by Rival's. 05 ranked 33, 06 ranked 46, 07 ranked 39, and 08 ranked 44.
Croom Mullen combined class 09 ranked 25.
Mullen, 10 ranked 38, 11 ranked 44.

I couldn't count Croom's first class because of the non ranking, and I counted the combined class for both. Croom's avg class ranking 37, Mullen's avg class ranking 35. You factor in Croom's first class, and it's much much worse. I believe it was in the 70's.

Ican't believewe have fansthat believe Croom did just as good or better than the job Dan is doing, at any phase of the job. To use Croom's phrase, if you don't see improvement then you're blind.
 
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He's building the program, slowly but surely. First step is to beat the scrubs you're supposed to beat. Croom and Sherrill had the infuriating tendency of not having their teams ready to play some games, and Mullen has put a stop to that. We no longer inexplicably lose to to low-rent teams like UAB, Tulane, Ole Miss, LA Tech, and Ole Miss. <div>
</div><div>Next, it's to start beating the really good teams where tMSU is the slight underdog. Losses to Auburn and South Carolina, will probably be wins next season.</div><div>
</div><div>The final step is to beat the Alabama's and LSU's of the world.</div><div>
</div><div>I wish the 2010 and 2011 seasons were reversed- the fans would be even more jacked this year. I see us winning 7-9 games next year.</div>
 

Indndawg

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*this comes after the Golfcart nightmare
*this comes after JWS mailed it in in 2003
*this comes after years of the GOB system under Lonnnie Tinkle
*you have to walk before you run
*if we're sitting @ 6-6 in two years, you'll be preaching to the choir
 

MeridianDog

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In the SEC west, that doesn't happen.

Lets set some goals for the team right now, before we see if they meet all of this years goals. That seems to be the Americanway.

I want another bowl game next year. I want to sell all of the season tickets. I want to see the need for more seats at DWS. I want to beat one more team next year.

7-5 and a bowl game to another year of sold out DWS sounds reasonable to me.

These things will lead to a better recruiting class, so Ill let someoen else add that expectation, since I don't trust stars. So often, theyfall from the sky.
 

thatsbaseball

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we should have beat Aub or SoCar or both. That`s why we spent the big bucks. That **** happens but his recruiting worries me more than anything. If he leaves this winter before he has established his program to the point he has brought in some decent SEC talent.....he will have 17ed us royally.
 

dawgstudent

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Mullen is winning the games he is supposed to. This season was a disappointment by 1 or 2 games but anytime we go to a bowl game - I'll be satisfied.
 

She Mate Me

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How many NC's have they won? Of course he should just beat them because we pay him well, because they are small time coaches at small time programs.
 

Dawgology

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Alabama, LSU and Arkansas "halfway" decent????!!! Your and idiot... I would hate to get your opinion on what a "good" college team is. What do they have to do win the Superbowl? The "halfway decent" teams we played this year are ranked between #10 and #25 in the nation....for most college teams that level of opponent is considered a muther17er...

Get a life dude...you are living in some opium induced hallucination.
 

xxxWalkTheDawg

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BOTH BCS champ contenders.. barring a miracle<div>
</div><div>BOTH SEC Champ game participants</div><div>
</div><div>What would be the SEC Sugar Bowl rep if there wasn't the current rule in place barring 3 conference teams as it stands</div><div>
</div><div>The probable SEC Capital One Bowl reps, Outback Bowl reps, Cotton Bowl Reps, and Peach Bowl reps.</div><div>
</div><div>Combined record of 60-12 records. and getting to 60 and 12 with SEC conference schedules.</div><div>
</div><div>The BCS teams ranked, 1, 2, 8, 12, and 14.... and was considered 1, 2, and 3 last week in the rankings.</div><div>
</div><div>So yea.... I guess was lost to some "halfway decent" teams.</div><div>
</div><div>You think Houston would be possibly going to the sugar with that schedule?? You think Oregon would be going to any better than the Cotton Bowl (probably the Peach) with that schedule?</div><div>
</div><div>If we swapped places with Vandy or UT... hell yea I would be disappointed. What i'm really disappointed in is that the east is becoming so much softer than the west and the schedules are becoming practically unfair for the west teams.</div><div>
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patdog

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He did beat two coaches who make at least $2.5M and $1.7M annually. If he'd done a $1.1M job, we wouldn't be going to a bowl game. As someone else pointed out, 5 of our 6 losses were to teams that won 10+ games and the 6th was to last year's national champion. We probably finished 1 game worse than we should have this year, but it's not like the year was a disaster considering the schedule.
 

jethreauxdawg

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We are the 8th or 9th best team in the leauge, I guess we are getting a slight bargain</p>
 

thatsbaseball

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Where did you see anybody call the season a disaster? And I`ll type this a little slower for you this time. I don`t care what the other coaches make.... a 2.65 million dollar coach beats the patsies we beat and wins one of those other two games. Mullen didn`t get it done so we move on to next year and try to do better. You`re just an old fashion MSU woe-is-me-look at-who-we-played excuse maker some of us want more.</p>
 

Johnson85

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He's being paid at market and is slightly overachieving based on that metric.

Even if you just look at expectations, it's not clear that we underachieved. We knew we were paper thin on the offensive line and didn't have a proven LT, and then our best lineman was hurt early in the year. We also knew we had unproven linebackers, barely serviceable DE's, and a new defensive coordinator. Even with all that, the only game we lost that we should have won was Auburn, where our new defensive coordinator was basically taken to the woodshed on the road in what was essentially the first real game. Is that really surprising? We lost exactly the type of game you'd expect us to lose because of our new defensive coordinator and new faces on defense, and we struggled in exactly the way you'd expect us to because of our Oline and injuries. Despite this, we managed to beat all the teams we were supposed to beat other than Auburn with an offensive line being shuffled around for more than half the year. A disappointing year, but not really big time underachieving. If I felt better about Mullen's recruiting I'd be ecstatic about the direction our program is moving in.
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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...crying yourself to sleep over Mullen taking the Florida job.


Having said that, 2 consecutive bowl appearances & playing a big role in the demise of the UM football program redeems Mullen in my eyes.


Now, if Mullen continues next year to blow home games against ranked opponents, then I'll jump on your bandwagon.


The Dan Mullen resume' so far: Good his first year, great his second year, & mediocre his third year.


We'll see if he can finally begin earning his $2.5 million his 4th year.
 

Incognegro

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And you're basing this on his salary? Someone already told you where he ranked as far as his salary is concerned and he's doing better than his ranking. You're sounding like a straight douche right now.
 

fishwater99

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We should have beaten Auburn and South Carolina this year..
When is he going to win a close game against a SEC team?
I am okay with 6-6, but we should have won at least one of those two games.
Next year Mullen needs a signature win, and the Bears don't count..