How much #NIL $$ does Rutgers Athletics need to be competitive?!
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By many accounts, Cam was going ANYWAY. But continue on with an unproven or false narrative for the sake of clicks, NJ.com. They can piss off, as they have, and continue to do, more to hurt Rutgers than help. Just wait for the stories on why is Rutgers paying athletes more than students who need the money more than athletes.
"Program great Geo Baker, who runs the “Knight Society” collective, tweeted Saturday that Rutgers “didn’t even get a chance to match the offer Cam was getting.” While Newman said he has no direct knowledge about that aspect of the situation, he said that KOTR did not have any conversation with the program about any recent offers the player received. He added that the program is aware of the pot of money available to them from the collective."
Ryan day said Ohio State needs 13 mil a year for football. We currently have 1.5 mil for all sports. Not good…
If you asked him that question today, he might double that amount. Top tier football programs will operate in the $50-75 million dollar roster compensation range by the end of the decade.
Wait around. The number will drop. Donor fatigue almost certainly will set in even for the big programs.
I wonder what percentage of needed NIL funds is going to come from donations to groups like KTOR, and how much will come from outside companies. USC has contracted with an outside media agency to help its athletes find NIL opportunities; perhaps Rutgers should be doing the same. My guess is that relying on donations is not going to be nearly enough. https://www.si.com/college/usc/troj...ounces-agreement-with-nil-agency-stay-doubted
That would be the first time ever in the history of modern sports that the money went down over time. Football donor fatigue in the South? Not very likely.
Because the dollar amounts are now going up drastically. They will for a while but people will tire of providing these larger amounts.
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What false or unproven narrative?!
All i did was share an article regarding #NIL that Jon has been responding to…
Do you have some insight you’d like to share with us that makes you feel that way?!
I thought the article was pretty straightforward…
I do agree on the Cam situation..
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Says who? Most of these donors just diverted their annual allocation of football donations to NIL instead of the schools.
People are saying how Cam's NBA chances were low, so he needs to get paid now, which makes sense I suppose. But it makes you wonder....how far does this go? At what point do players accept money to...well...not play at all. Like Ohio State has a great team and 3 QBS and the 4th QB they just pay to sit on their practice squad, just to keep him from going to a lesser conference school that can't pay?
Does anyone feel silly for being a Cam fan for the one year he used us as a stepping stone in his career?
At a LOT of schools, eventually there may be very interesting conversations going forward between the big donors and the AD's and, maybe even college administration, about sports emphasis at the school. I'm sure donor-influenced discussions about, say, changing coaches have always happened at the blue-blood schools, but with all this stuff now, there may be fist fights at board meetings lol. Crazy world we live in. GO RU!
Curious, does Geo make a salary for running the Knight Society? If so I have to assume his salary comes from the donations intended for the players, right?
Good question. OK...I thought about it...no. I'm pretty used to being left with mostly promises after 50 years as a Rutgers fan lol. I'm not very smart but I'm loyal and pretty good at persevering. Go RU!
Good question. OK...I thought about it...no. I'm pretty used to being left with mostly promises after 50 years as a Rutgers fan lol. I'm not very smart but I'm loyal and pretty good at persevering. Go RU!
Loyal to Rutgers is different from being loyal to a mercenary athlete that's just there for self interests, no?
Tell me why I should get invested in the next transfer player.
I'm a Rutgers fan. Can we not use the phrase Cam fan? Cam Shaft seems more appropriate.
Alabama, USC, Ohio State, and Miami donors don’t get fatigued because they have money to burn. This isn’t Sam WhiteCollar trying to figure out how to pay for his kids college. this is Joey FatCat deciding whether his 50’ Yacht will suffice, or does he want to order a 75’ Yacht. NIL is nothing to him, and he can write a $1M check without breaking a sweat. This is the caliber of booster supporting successful programs.
Everyone gets donor fatigue if asked enough times for money. In the past, they needed to pony up money only every so often, so they didnt get tired of it. With NIL, if it really does come down to tens of millions every single year, some of them will balk. Every organization sees that.
NIL plus what was being given before means the overall amounts will be going up, regardless of where any single individual puts their money. If some of the numbers we've heard from insiders are true, total donations will go up very substantially, especially as they rush to out compete each other.
Not necessarily. Most people are just diverting funds to NIL. So no net increases. Big donors that would donate $1M a year are still donating that amount, just less to school and more to NIL.
Then why would everyone be asking for still more money if there's no net increase?
I never said it will keep increasing from here, just not confident NIL money will decrease. Unlikely imo.
Agree totally. I'm just afraid we are getting very close to not being able to tell the difference between the two scenarios...at least as far as sports is concerned. Pro football and pro basketball have been fortunate to have institutions of higher learning act as their minor leagues for a long time. Maybe it will work out that someday the pros will have to run/finance their own minor leagues? Imagine college sorts where football and basketball become de-emphasized so that their programs are conducted like college baseball or the Olympic sports. I have no idea what I'm talking about...sorry for rambling. GO RU.
The $10M can easily be hit ticket "donations" being diverted to NIL.
I know that the school has nothing to do with NIL...but, I think they should just just give up that gravy train they've been getting from us.
The simple math is that if we don't "donate" the $$ when renewing season tickets and instead donate let's say $500 per season ticket holder in all sports...we should have at least 20,000 of those times $500 = $10m.
Doesn't this math work?
I know that the school has nothing to do with NIL...but, I think they should just just give up that gravy train they've been getting from us.
The simple math is that if we don't "donate" the $$ when renewing season tickets and instead donate let's say $500 per season ticket holder in all sports...we should have at least 20,000 of those times $500 = $10m.
Doesn't this math work?
Depends on winning, if you’re putting up a boat load of money and you’re not seeing results on the field then either the school changes the coaching staff in a hurry or the funds disappear, basically it’s professional sports disguised as college football.
It will increase for a while and then donors might pull back, especially if they're not getting results. A lot of these deep-pocketed people are very business oriented and like getting something for their money and feeling like it's well-spent. It's a guarantee some of it won't be (take a look at Texas A&M). I can't imagine donors would shovel more money than they already are, indefinitely, in those cases. That will allow other programs to spend less and still get great players.
The false or unproven narrative is in the NJ.com story, exactly as I quoted. THAT is my insight. To be clear, from what else was posted/tweeted by Geo, Cam Spencer was leaving regardless of NIL money. Maybe new facts will come out (maybe they have already). But the premise of the entire NJ.com story is a false premise. NJ.com is hot garbage and their newspaper is worthless even to line bird cages.
As far as NIL, many of us are not on board for a variety of reasons. Many of us are careful where we donate to, and many of us like to believe in the cause when we donate. Greg Schiano has his own misgivings about NIL.
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According to many, scholarships should be considered payment - the players are already being paid with free school.
Aren’t “ticket donations” going towards scholarships?
If so then your money is already paying players to play sports.
I see what you are trying to do, but many of us buy tickets primarily because we want to watch games. If you are saying that we should stop buying tickets because we are paying college players to play sports, while that may be true, that is a bit of a false narrative. Here's an analogy. Many people, myself included, despise Ticketmaster and their usurious fees. But we like going to concerts, sporting events etc and buy through Ticketmaster when they are the only available outlet to buy tickets. I would not say that I am "supporting" Ticketmaster and their crappy policies. Sure, my $$ are doing that, but I still loathe them, and they are a necessary evil.
As far as paying college athletes, you are correct about scholarships, and I think many of us are OK with this as a line in the sand. Some of us think it is OK that they should get more, especially if the colleges, the conferences and the media companies are making big money off of their names, images an likenesses. A fair question to ask, however, is what percentage of college athletes are talented enough that people would actually pay on the open market to continue to watch them? Let's boil this down to football only. Rough guess- less than 20%, probably less than 10% of the football players in P5.
What this has seemed to morph into is EVERYONE "deserves" to get paid. Do they, or should some of them be like unpaid interns in a corporation?
Scholarships have been the traditional "payment" to get players to enroll. Cash compensation is very different and won't be coming out of my pocket.
I was talking about the article in where Jon Newman was providing information to Nj.com regarding #NIL & it’s costs. I’m not disputing the Cam situation.
To be clear, are you disputing his roundabout numbers & or information provided?!
If so what exactly are you disputing?!
Jon, would you like to
Chime in?!
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What's the false narrative?
It's a fact - you are paying players to attend college.
If you buy from Ticketmaster than you are supporting their usurious fees. If it really mattered that much to you - then you would sacrifice the concert and not support them.
If you (or anyone) really was against paying players then stop buying season tickets or donating to athletic scholarships.
But that's not the case. Same as Ticketmaster. You are fine with paying usurious fees. You are fine with paying athletes to play sports.
It's just now the compensation level has increased.
I could understand "well athletes shouldn't be paid at all" - so stop buying tickets and supporting scholarships..
But the new "well athletes shouldn't get a raise" just seems weird. Why not? Literally everyone else has gotten a raise involved.
Do unpaid interns even exist anymore?
The good old "we'll pay you in experience".
In a recent article in the Athletic (paywall) they interviewed a bunch of regional HS HCs in an article about BiG FB recruiting. It was depressing that RU did not get any mentions as a hard working recruiting staff but there was a call out from a HC in PA that there’s a perception that RU has a good amount of NIL money.
Who are the hardest-working coaches? Who is active in NIL? Big Ten Recruiting Confidential
If you had a son, which Big Ten head coach would you want him to play for? What is your biggest gripe with the way the league recruits?
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Why not ? These monies are currently being used so the same exact kids can have a nicer weight room, practice facility, food, drink, tutor, trainer, coach, etc. what’s the difference if it simply goes into their pockets ?
I'm not sure what your reply means. I thought I was clear.
I don't "support" Ticketmaster in principle. But they are a necessary evil to "pay" if you want to go to many concerts and events. The same could be said for many types of taxes. But I don't want my property under a tax lien so I pay.
Maybe I was not clear. We are talking about college sports. In principle, beyond getting free tuition, room board, and other perks, in principle, I don't believe in paying college athletes money. Many students receive partial or full scholarships, free room and board and other perks. Outstanding students. Other students the university decides to attract to the school. In principle, that's different than giving them money beyond tuition, room, board, IMO.
Maybe this will be better for you. Those purported "payments" to students in the form of tuition, room board are not taxable income. Do we know if NIL money is taxable? It should be, IMO. That's different. Therefore, if that division between tuition/room/board and payments beyond those three is correct, I don't see tuition/room/board as "paying" athletes.