That coach has to have complete autonomy to run the offense he wishes and hires the assistants of his choosing!
If Beamer hires a New OC at the end of the season.....
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It won't make much difference. He will have the same players to work with. There isn't some brand new, shiny OL waiting to be unboxed for next season and Sellers will likely be gone and the backup qb, Doty, will be gone too. There is no phenom RB waiting to carry the ball or superstar WR returning.
Different play calling might help some but it isn't going to double point production.
Different play calling might help some but it isn't going to double point production.
Unless Carolina goes the portal route I think Cutter Woods is your Qb in 2026.
If Sellers continues to run backwards instead of stepping up in the pocket and not seeing wide open guys when he does have time to throw, it doesn’t matter who you hire as OC.
It won't matter. He won't be able to hire a good OC while he is on the hot seat.
Next year is lost.
Next year is lost.
He won’t have the same players. These players gonna jump off this ship
Years like this blows up the program. Almost impossible to recover from especially when everyone can transfer out now.
We should brace ourselves for the reality that next year is basically going to be Year 1 for Beamer. It's a rebuilding year.
It will also probably be his last year.
Our lack of commitment one way or the other means we can't even try to sniff relevance for probably 5 more seasons.
It will also probably be his last year.
Our lack of commitment one way or the other means we can't even try to sniff relevance for probably 5 more seasons.
Mike McGee saw this when he fired Brad Scott. That's why he hired Holtz. A name like that is the only way to recover when a program implodes. So, having said that, who is out there with a name big enough to stop the bleeding? Meyer, Franklin, and Saban are all I can think of right now. Franklin is probably the only one truly available. We will probably miss the boat there because so many other schools will be hiring.
I hate to paint a bleak picture but unless we could catch lightning in a bottle with some obscure hire Beamer might be coach for the foreseeable future.
Or - maybe, just maybe, Donati has something up is sleeve - like forcing Beamer to take Briles as OC and ***'t HC. Throw 2 million a year at Briles to come here and revamp the offense.
Our only hope is that Donati steps in to prevent another clown OC hire.
Maybe he doesn't specify WHO, but he can give Beamer a list of mandatory criteria for prospective OCs.
Normally, an AD would not do that, but Beamer needs help now. Beamer has proven he can't make a hire for his offense on his own and Donati has the contacts and relationships to make a Briles hire possible. I think that would inject hope and optimism into the program and perhaps prevent transfers out. (at least some of them)
Briles still has a lot of baggage hanging around his neck. Hiring him might not be a great look for the program. Grambling hired him in 2022 and let him go 4 days later because of the scandal surrounding him. He is coaching in Italy now after a stint as a HS coach.
I don't see him being acceptable to Donati.
I have to ask the question, why would Briles or any other big name out there come in as an OC to work under Beamer ?
The standard answer is that we will through all kinds of money and give him autonomy of the offense, hard to imagine any HC giving up that kind of authority over his own team.
The standard answer is that we will through all kinds of money and give him autonomy of the offense, hard to imagine any HC giving up that kind of authority over his own team.
I think he was referring to Kendal? Art would be 70 next season, which is old even by our standards.
Not Art Briles. I meant Kendal Briles - the OC at TCU where Donati was the AD.
If your hire a big time OC and pay them big time money it's not going to do this football program much good if you do not have the Jimmy's and the Joe's. I look at Clemson paying Riley 1.75 million and he has to work with a converted WR at RB because the man who invited dancing in the locker room after wins refuses to go into the portal for players. As well as a offensive line that is just bad at Carolina's. If you spend big time money on an OC, you're going to have to spend big time money on players. These players have to be portal guys with P4 experience and not a center from the Sun Belt...
Mike Gundy is out there 
Jobs he's linked to are UAB and Arkansas St. We can pay him more than he'd make there. He lost it as a head coach, in large part b/c he couldn't go all-in with the portal and NIL. He still knows offense, though. He had Ok St scoring 30 ppg in 2023 before their downturn started. Even in last year's bad year, they were scoring 12 ppg more than our current offense is scoring.
I could see Beamer being leery of bringing in a former head coach who was very, very successful.
Gundy's hard to work with apparently, but who cares? Do you think Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin worked wonderfully together? I think they hated each other.
Jobs he's linked to are UAB and Arkansas St. We can pay him more than he'd make there. He lost it as a head coach, in large part b/c he couldn't go all-in with the portal and NIL. He still knows offense, though. He had Ok St scoring 30 ppg in 2023 before their downturn started. Even in last year's bad year, they were scoring 12 ppg more than our current offense is scoring.
I could see Beamer being leery of bringing in a former head coach who was very, very successful.
Gundy's hard to work with apparently, but who cares? Do you think Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin worked wonderfully together? I think they hated each other.
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That’s not true. He could but there’s evidence to support the notion that he will.
Bingo, and therein lies the rub.
Jerry Jones told Jimmy Johnson there were 500 guys that could have coached those Superbowl teams, and there was some validity to that,
There is truth to it, but I think it a competent OC would be getting more than 14.5 ppg out of this offense (or whatever it is...less than 15 ppg).
Players have to go in the portal BEFORE you can offer them the big bucks and they have to want to come to your program. With one portal window in January now, players are going to have to decide on entering and stick with that decision. There will be no Spring window they can jump in if they don't like what Spring practice looked and felt like.
I'll say it again, there generally are not a lot of OL in the portal and the ones who are there usually are not the best on their team.
Jimmy built those teams. There's your validation. Of course he got to coach them.
Unless you do not play by the rules... Just like whoever came in and offer Sellers big money although he wasn't in the portal. If we play by the rules than we have to accept mediocre football seasons with a impressive one ever 2-3 years.
Valid point that good OL do not enter the portal and if that's the case they better find someone who can coach OL then and not someone who coached it at the FCS level.
Every off season, stories about big sums being offered players are floated around but no one ever says who actually offered the money. I think a lot of those stories are made up by the families of players or "unnamed sources". Tampering is against the rules and I find it hard to believe no school or NIL collective has been turned in for doing it. As bitter as some rivalries are and as sensitive as fan bases are about their top players staying or leaving, someone would have named names by now.
Why would Sellers or his family protect a team that tried to lure him away if he was never going to leave?
Next year won't be good. Will Beamer survive? I really doubt it. The fans will be in even more of an uproar than now. If Beamer had succeeded as Head Coach elsewhere, he might be given more time. But, even then, maybe not. You see Arkansas and Florida making coaching changes. LSU and Auburn might too. Napier, Kelly and Freeze were hired AFTER Beamer was. Pittman was hired just one year before. A poor year next year will have asking, "Why not us?". The pressure to make a change will be enormous.
Keep in mind, we are not poor. The 247 site had us 22nd in NIL spending. You are no longer building a program. You are building a team from year-to-year. Look at Ole Miss and Missouri. How do they have good teams year-to-year now? Kiffin and Drinkwitz were hired just one year before Beamer. The fact is that Beamer is just not getting it done. If it was up to me, I'd cut Beamer loose after this season. If not, we are just delaying the inevitable.
Keep in mind, we are not poor. The 247 site had us 22nd in NIL spending. You are no longer building a program. You are building a team from year-to-year. Look at Ole Miss and Missouri. How do they have good teams year-to-year now? Kiffin and Drinkwitz were hired just one year before Beamer. The fact is that Beamer is just not getting it done. If it was up to me, I'd cut Beamer loose after this season. If not, we are just delaying the inevitable.
Tampering can be easily avoided by having someone not officially associated with the school contact a representative of the player.
Still, the name of the other program is never offered. It isn't only with Sellers, you never hear a player or anyone say who offered them the big money. I don't believe the player or his family or friend or whoever unless they come out and say who offered them the money.
I'm confused: Are we going to suck because we're going to stuck with these same players next year or are we going to suck because all our current players will hit the transfer portal? 
As for coordinators, I don't think a coach on the hot seat can land a Kendal Briles or other perceived up-and-coming coordinator who is trying to position himself for a big head coaching gig. He probably can, however, land a Gus Malzahn or Hugh Freeze type - a former (or soon to be former) failed head coach who has been a pretty good coordinator at various times in his career. They likely aren't going to generate a miraculous turnaround in the offense, but at least they are a known commodity as a competent coach. If the offense still sucks after that, at least you know it wasn't the coordinator's fault.
As for coordinators, I don't think a coach on the hot seat can land a Kendal Briles or other perceived up-and-coming coordinator who is trying to position himself for a big head coaching gig. He probably can, however, land a Gus Malzahn or Hugh Freeze type - a former (or soon to be former) failed head coach who has been a pretty good coordinator at various times in his career. They likely aren't going to generate a miraculous turnaround in the offense, but at least they are a known commodity as a competent coach. If the offense still sucks after that, at least you know it wasn't the coordinator's fault.
Mike Gundy?I'm confused: Are we going to suck because we're going to stuck with these same players next year or are we going to suck because all our current players will hit the transfer portal?
As for coordinators, I don't think a coach on the hot seat can land a Kendal Briles or other perceived up-and-coming coordinator who is trying to position himself for a big head coaching gig. He probably can, however, land a Gus Malzahn or Hugh Freeze type - a former (or soon to be former) failed head coach who has been a pretty good coordinator at various times in his career. They likely aren't going to generate a miraculous turnaround in the offense, but at least they are a known commodity as a competent coach. If the offense still sucks after that, at least you know it wasn't the coordinator's fault.
I agree. I dont believe any specific story, because non are corroborated.
But I 100% absolutely believe that tampering is going on to an extreme degree.