If Briles could get us to UL level in 3 yrs

MrLair

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Sorry for this thread. But the point was Bobby didn't do near anything art did and we wouldn't even give him a call. Of course we won't hire him but no whole purpose was to point out Mitch the ***** and his stupidity on hires.
 

Big John Stud

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Neither Liggins nor Hunt had domestic violence issues before arriving on campus. In fact, Liggins never had domestic violence issues until he was in the pros. So, what is the relationship again?

Jeremey Hunt was arrested for domestic violence then Cal brought him back to campus. How hard is that to understand? Cal let that "predator" back on campus, is he as bad as Briles?

There's 100 coaches I can say the same about including Petrino who you guys say isnt as bad as Briles. The point is Sam Ukwuachu was accused of domestic violence but not charged. You act like coaches should know that guys with DV in their pasts are rapists.
 

Big John Stud

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And yet, instead of doing something about it to stop it, it appears he enabled it. That makes him just as guilty as those that were "in the room".

Has our society really lost their way that much that we are willing to allow people like this to get a pass just to win freakin games?? It is a game, not life or death. Allowing rape is taking the quality of life away from those it happens to. What the hell are people thinking? I have a daughter. I can't believe the guy is still alive to be honest. Because if that were my daughter, he wouldn't be.
This is gonna be a hard question but I have to ask. You say he enabled it, how specifically did he enable it?
 

merrimanm

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This is gonna be a hard question but I have to ask. You say he enabled it, how specifically did he enable it?
Again, I am saying IF all of this is true as the evidence SEEMS to prove, he enabled it by helping to cover up the rapes. In my opinion, not only did that keep a rapist out there, but it promoted a precedent that no matter how bad, the players would be off the hook. The fact that it appeared to have happened multiple times, shows that culture was created.
 

lex cath

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Again, I am saying IF all of this is true as the evidence SEEMS to prove, he enabled it by helping to cover up the rapes. In my opinion, not only did that keep a rapist out there, but it promoted a precedent that no matter how bad, the players would be off the hook. The fact that it appeared to have happened multiple times, shows that culture was created.

If I read this correct, you are saying the same about butch jones?
 

BigBlueFanGA

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Jeremey Hunt was arrested for domestic violence then Cal brought him back to campus. How hard is that to understand? Cal let that "predator" back on campus, is he as bad as Briles?

There's 100 coaches I can say the same about including Petrino who you guys say isnt as bad as Briles. The point is Sam Ukwuachu was accused of domestic violence but not charged. You act like coaches should know that guys with DV in their pasts are rapists.
Nope, you don't get it. Sam did his thing, was kicked out of Boise St then Briles knowingly gave him a scholarship. Hunt was already a player and Cal did try to work with him but kicked him out a few months later. The difference is important, as is the levels of violence, not to mention the intentional obfuscation perpetrated by the Baylor football coaching staff.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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why you continue to speculate is beyond me. the name "Art Briles" does not even appear anywhere on pages 10, 11, or 12 - so to say you know what Art Briles did from those pages is a fabrication.
Wow, now you're being intentionally obtuse. Did you read the second half of my post. Coaches did this and that, but some how you think since it doesn't name him, it's ok. You've passed that line in the sand for intentional ignorance. We're done.
 

lex cath

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It's just funny that a everyone seems to know nothing about Jones but everything about Briles
 

merrimanm

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It's just funny that a everyone seems to know nothing about Jones but everything about Briles
Well, I am sure that there are many more storied that we don't know about. Doesn't it make it any better. Jones wasn't plastered all over tv about it. It was news much at all. So I am unaware of that situation. So I am not sure why that was even brought up in this thread.

So again, if Jones did the same thing, then he needs to pay too.
 

lex cath

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Well, I am sure that there are many more storied that we don't know about. Doesn't it make it any better. Jones wasn't plastered all over tv about it. It was news much at all. So I am unaware of that situation. So I am not sure why that was even brought up in this thread.

So again, if Jones did the same thing, then he needs to pay too.

I suppose you don't follow the SEC then....
 

Big John Stud

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Well, I am sure that there are many more storied that we don't know about. Doesn't it make it any better. Jones wasn't plastered all over tv about it. It was news much at all. So I am unaware of that situation. So I am not sure why that was even brought up in this thread.

So again, if Jones did the same thing, then he needs to pay too.
Lol, the media didn't tell me what to think so I'm unaware of the situation.
 

Big John Stud

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Again, I am saying IF all of this is true as the evidence SEEMS to prove, he enabled it by helping to cover up the rapes. In my opinion, not only did that keep a rapist out there, but it promoted a precedent that no matter how bad, the players would be off the hook. The fact that it appeared to have happened multiple times, shows that culture was created.
What evidence seems to prove that he enabled rape?
 

Dore95

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What evidence seems to prove that he enabled rape?

If you want to be charitable to Briles, you could say: (1) he had the misfortune of having a player with a prior violent past at another school commit a rape while at Baylor; (2) Baylor is a Southern Baptist school with perhaps less tolerance for shenanigans than some other schools; (3) those around him, including assistants and the president (Starr) mishandled accusations to the point that it appeared as if Baylor was sweeping problems under the rug to protect football. Most would look at that and say that Briles too has culpability since he was the coach of the football team.

And to respond to the discussion of Cal, Brooks, etc...Things are not nearly as black and white as you want them to be. If Jeremy Hunt had raped or killed a student at Memphis after he had been allowed back on the team after his domestic violence problem, you can bet that Cal would have been fired and probably would have never coached again (certainly not at UK or a big program). But that didn't happen. People in control (like a coach) are judged on the actions of others around them.
 

merrimanm

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Lol, the media didn't tell me what to think so I'm unaware of the situation.
Ha. If you only knew me you would know how ridiculous this comment is. I never said that I believe the media. I said I have heard or read as much about it. Ignorant comment bud.
 

merrimanm

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What if Rich Brooks did this as well at Oregon?
If he had, then he shouldn't have ever coached again. Real simple answer. Not sure what you don't understand about my comments. It isn't the person, it's the act. Understand now?
 

VikingsCat

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Would you be OK with the hire? I think he did far worse than Bobby, but someone is going to hire him. If he could get us to UL level would you be ok?

And it will never happen because of Mitch but I'm just curious.
I would have to say no.
First, I don't think we ever will get to UoL's 2016 level. UoL should IMO be ranked No. 1 now, and if they avoid injury to Jackson they will be No. 1 at the end of the year with a Heisman winner at QB.
Secondly, Briles have made it at Baylor in large part due to Texas and other Texas teams being in a slump. No Texas recruits will follow him to UK.
Finally, without the quality players and recruits Briles would just end up another Curry at UK.
 

Big John Stud

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Do a quick research.
I have researched it, I've read every article out and I have yet to read where Briles covered up anything or enabled his players to rape women. This is why I always ask specifically what he did and Dore95 is the only person to give me a reasonable answer.
 

VikingsCat

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Funny you guys judging Briles and know nothing of what happened.
Same thing happened their that has happened on every campus in America.
Thats why he is lawyered up.
Didn't seem too lawyered up in the ESPN interview a couple of weeks ago. He was more like standing with his hat in his hand saying he did make some big mistakes.
 

Shavers48

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Wow, now you're being intentionally obtuse. Did you read the second half of my post. Coaches did this and that, but some how you think since it doesn't name him, it's ok. You've passed that line in the sand for intentional ignorance. We're done.
you're repeating yourself but never address the issues. it also never says 'Head Coach' anywhere. so yes, there 'could' be some involvement you have NO idea what that involvement was. so yes, I think you are done.
 
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So based on new info that has come to light about the Baylor situation, would you still "love to have him".??
Baylor has been on probation a number of times, but never like the findings presented today. These are "death penalty" violations. While I don't think that will happen, there is likely major penalties forthcoming. Art Briles may work somewhere again, but not likely in college football. Many at Baylor from the president, trustees, professors and athletic department staff are at risk of losing everything.
 

shutzhund

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I have researched it, I've read every article out and I have yet to read where Briles covered up anything or enabled his players to rape women. This is why I always ask specifically what he did and Dore95 is the only person to give me a reasonable answer.


The only place you could have read this is on Wildcat's Lair or a similar internet gossip site.
 

Poetax

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Trying to describe the situation at Baylor with a domestic violence charge, that could have been a push or smack of the hand by today's laws, doesn't really make a defense.
 

louisvillesux

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im not going to read 4 pages of what i assume to be drivel. BUT, we are already at UL's level. they just have lamar jackson, thats it. thats the only difference between these programs.
 

Anon1660081258

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I just find it laughable that these "dream coach" debates continue while we sit alone in second place in the SEC East on 11/1, fairly confident of finishing with a winning record in conference play for the first time in 39 freaking years, and possessed of the most productive freshman RB in the country. I don't care how we arrived at this place, some of you need to "check ya self". We are clearly going to be an even more threatening team in 2017. We don't need Art Briles and his baggage, so the point is moot.
 

rick64

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There's absolutely NO WAY knowing what we now know went on at Baylor under Art Briles's watch that he gets a D1 head coaching job anytime in the near future. Maybe an NFL team hires him as a OC or QB coach. But he's poison to college programs now.