if NCAA players want to get paid- they could easily get paid

[Coach34]

let LSU and Bama's players refuse to take the field until athletes are paid- and other schools players take notice of this and join in- or if they get organized somehow- they will be paid as much as they want. With 90K fans in T-Town for the game- the players would each get 2K that night<div>
</div><div>Let the NCAA and schools start losing TV money and have to refund tickets because the players refuse to play- and the players would start getting that 2K on the next Monday.</div>

 

[Coach34]

let LSU and Bama's players refuse to take the field until athletes are paid- and other schools players take notice of this and join in- or if they get organized somehow- they will be paid as much as they want. With 90K fans in T-Town for the game- the players would each get 2K that night<div>
</div><div>Let the NCAA and schools start losing TV money and have to refund tickets because the players refuse to play- and the players would start getting that 2K on the next Monday.</div>

 

[Coach34]

let LSU and Bama's players refuse to take the field until athletes are paid- and other schools players take notice of this and join in- or if they get organized somehow- they will be paid as much as they want. With 90K fans in T-Town for the game- the players would each get 2K that night<div>
</div><div>Let the NCAA and schools start losing TV money and have to refund tickets because the players refuse to play- and the players would start getting that 2K on the next Monday.</div>

 

[Coach34]

let LSU and Bama's players refuse to take the field until athletes are paid- and other schools players take notice of this and join in- or if they get organized somehow- they will be paid as much as they want. With 90K fans in T-Town for the game- the players would each get 2K that night<div>
</div><div>Let the NCAA and schools start losing TV money and have to refund tickets because the players refuse to play- and the players would start getting that 2K on the next Monday.</div>

 

[EClass04]

nm

 

[drt7891]

nm

 

[Incognegro]

If the BCS isn't enough drama for you Mark May, this sure as hell will be**

 

[DerHntr]

Bama walks onto field and LSU does not, so LSU forfeits. Now coach, we couldn't have your tiggaahhss forfeiting a chance at a national title can we?</p>

 

[drt7891]

as opposed to wanting more money. That is a pipe dream, though. In reality, any entertainment of the idea of a union is a terrible idea.

 

[patdog]

They're already getting paid. This is just about moving a little bit of it above the table.

 

[Coach34]

both unite and refuse to play...<div>
</div><div>I think the NCAA is going to have to allow this or the NCAA is going to be dissolved- its just become to big of a business and the BCS schools can do what they want. The next 10 years are going to be interesting</div>

 

[BehrDawg]

Getting the teams to unite is about the same thing as asking me to go to a UM game wearing red.

 

[dawgbydesign]

If players want to get paid, go get a job.<div>
</div><div>Playing for a college is not a job. They should be upset that the NFL won't let them get drafted. Let them all go to the NFL to get the money they feel they deserve. College will always have players to offer scholarships to. (See men's basketball)</div>

 

[Incognegro]

I'm not going to pretend that I automatically know you've never done any collegiate sport before, but I have a hard time believing you have if you're saying anything like that which makes it easier for me to accept why you would have a stance like that. The amount of time and effort that needs to be put into college sports now-a-days is absolutely ridiculous. Using the guise of a scholarship is a load of bs to me especially seeing the majors most of these guys are going into. Their "education" (for the most part) is just an excuse to play football. If there are ones that are actually taking demanding classes along with being a football player then you couldn't possibly understand half of what they have to go through.

 

[downwarddawg]

Someone please give me details of a typical fall weekday of one of our players. I'd like to see that.</p>

 

[SwampDawg]

other than work I had to turn in. I would usually study the night before a quiz and two nights before the final. I think I could easily have spent the time football demands and still done as well as I did (Bs and Cs.) Those guys choose their majors, they are not assigned to them. If they are not smart enough to know that 98% (?) of them are not going pro then maybe they should not go to college in the first place.

 

[DerHntr]

the problem is trusting the other team to actually go through with it. the reward of not going through with it is much higher for one of the teams than a paltry $2,000 per player. If you were a player, would you rather get $2,000 (not guaranteed because the other team could screw you and walk out on the field) or would you rather be the team on the field ready to play and potentially win the game through a forfeit and stay undefeated? The reward isn't worth the risk.

Your idea doesn't hold water when you think this can be done on a whim in mid-season. If they did this during the off season, had a bunch of other schools on board, and were able to get some sort of "contract" together for the players' union, then I would say you have an idea that could actually come to pass. LSU trusting Bama or Bama trusting LSU with so much at stake simply isn't going to happen mid-season with a national title on the line.

 

[drt7891]

1. Lost TV dollars<div>2. Lawsuit with CBS</div><div>
</div><div>I'm going to assume all the fans are at the game... if not, lost money from fans, lost sales at spirit stores and concessions.</div><div>
</div><div>Not to mention both coaches would essentially have to resign for pulling off such a stunt (assuming both coaches followed through with it). Plus all the pissed off fans. No way this would ever happen on a whim. </div>

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

I took a Business of College Sports class in college. There were several football players in this class. Needless to say this was a hot topic all semester long. The teacher couldn't even stick to the lesson plan because we spent the whole class talking about this. These players had friends that were at Bama, Florida, LSU...etc and told us how they were getting paid. They were pissed off (and jealous) that they were not given this kind of treatment.....I learned some interesting things in that class. It left me with a bitter taste in my mouth about College athletics as a whole....its not about the game its all about BIG MONEY.....its NFL lite.

 

[Coach34]

Someone please give me details of a typical fall weekday of one of our players. I'd like to see that.</p>

5:30 am- alarm goes off <div>6:00 am- arrive at weightroom for in-season workout</div><div>7:00 am- shower and breakfast</div><div>8:00 am- class</div><div>10:00 am- class</div><div>12:00 pm- lunch</div><div>1:00 pm- see trainers for injuries and ailments</div><div>2:00 pm- film and position meetings</div><div>2:45 pm- get taped and dressed</div><div>3:30 pm- practice begins</div><div>6:00 pm- practice ends</div><div>7:00 pm- eat supper</div><div>8:00 pm- mandatory study hall for dumbasses- others to study or hit library on their own</div><div>8:02 pm- text a couple ho's to try and get laid</div><div>10:00 pm- tweet explicit rap lyric that tells the world you just got laid</div><div>10:30 pm- play NCAA 2011</div><div>11:30 pm- bed</div><div>
</div><div>Thats probably fairly close to their Tuesday</div><div>
</div>

 

[Coach34]

the forfeit doesnt exist- it's not in play....both teams are on the sidelines- Bama couldnt just sneak out there and get a forfeit...I'm talking about both teams coming together and refusing to play<div>
</div><div>Granted, there would have to be some type of proposal out there- but once it is, the players hold all the cards and could get what they want</div>

 

[JackShephard]

I also worked two jobs, maintained a 3.6 gpa in engineering, and my team won a championship. I am still paying off my student loans 10 years after graduating (and I had a full ride, but it still takes money to rent an apartment, stock a fridge, pay bills, etc.). They can take out loans just like I did. I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. Paying college athletes more than they already make is stupid. Nobody is forcing them to play. If they don't like it, don't play. It's that easy. They play because they enjoy it, 98% of them will never play a down after college and most of them know it.

How much are you going to pay the women's basketball players? $2000 also? How long will that last before people start bitching that a women's tennis player is making the same as the guys bringing in the dough (football players)?

And don't give me that ******** that a free education isn't getting paid. Tell that to a kid that gets a degree from Stanford, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, etc.

17 paying those bitchy primadonnas. Everybody has the victim mentality these days and everybody wants a free handout. Earn your **** and move on bitches.</p>

 

[Coach34]

"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">17 paying those bitchy primadonnas. Everybody has the victim mentality these days and everybody wants a free handout. Earn your **** and move on bitches"</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I dont call spending 20-30 hours a week playing a very physically demanding sport, putting your body and physical health at risk, while earning the University 25 million dollars a year a "victim mentality" or "wanting a free handout"- that is just stupid</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Ask the kid at Rutgers that is paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of his life after getting hurt last year playing in a game if he hasnt "earned his ****"</span></div>

 

[klerushund]

...how about the LSU and Bama football players each fill out an application for a job at any of the millions of businesses around the country. They will definitely get paid more than 2K a year. Of course they'll have to work 40 (or more) hours a week and no one will pamper them or cover up their run-ins with the law. But they could easily make more than 100K in the four years they would have spent PLAYING A 17ING GAME and getting a FREE opportunity at a COLLEGE 17ING DEGREE.<div>
</div><div>
</div>

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

but it's closer to 102K now...

 

[Seinfeld]

I don't. Most likely scenario...

-NCAA slaps both teams with an immediate postseason ban
-University admissions and lawyers explain to athletes that anyone not playing in the next game will have their scholarship revoked, and they'll immediately be dismissed from school. The so called "organizers" probably won't have this opportunity and will more than likely be kicked out of school.
-Kicked off players will be forced to either enroll elsewhere after sitting out at least one year(assuming NCAA allows them to play at all) or they'll choose not to play and they'll be forced to hope they can impress NFL scouts at private workouts.

Sounds like a great plan for two teams with a BCS national championship on the line and who happen to be loaded with NFL talent

 

[Coach34]

after seeing LSU and Bama do it, the next Week Miss State, Kentucky, Georgia, and Florida do the same thing...and it snowballs<div>
</div><div>You make your threat to the players- and what if all 85 say "17 you, take my scholly"....you gonna kick them all out? You gonna be able to pay the bills now the rest of the season is cancelled and you lose about 30 million in revenue? Football pays for your other sports too. How are you going to get the soccer team to Florida for a match now that your athletic budget has lost 20 million?</div>

 

[EAVdog]

Just pay them as 'work-study' students. I think it's a federally mandated wage and it's the same as a TA, Lab Tech, or other student gets. And many of them are on Scholarship too. Football players practice 20 hours a week during the season, so pay them for 20 hours. And in the end it'd be more than 2k as well. In essence they are working for the University, and making money for the University, in much the same way a Research Assistant does.

 

[EClass04]

I think the real issue is the model that the NCAA continues to use to govern college athletics. The pay to play issue was on ESPN a while back and someone mentioned that the NCAA still uses basically the same model as it did in like the 1950s, and whether we like it or not, that just doesn't work these days.

Like most, I was not a student athlete. And like most, I had a job, scholarships, grants, loans, etc. to help cover the cost of college. I think these kids, especially the football players, have to betreated somewhat differently than your general students because of the revenue they generate for the university. With all due respect to everyone on the board and their major,fans don't pack stadiums around the country on Saturdays to see how many engineers it takes to screw in a lightbulb or how many different types of grass a PGM major can identify.....they come to watch football. These guysare the largest revenue generators at most universities, and as long as that's the case, pay for play will be an issue.

Top coaches are making3-6 mil a year, top coordinators are hovering around the $1 mil mark, and position coaches are making several hundred thousand dollars per year. There's no way you can continue to seecoaches' salaries escalate at this rate, billion dollar tv contracts, revenues generated from games, jersey sales, and video games using player likenesses and not expect these kids to want something from it besides a scholarship.

Right or wrong, like it or not, this is not even a matter of if anymore......only when.

 

[poolot]

"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">17 paying those bitchy primadonnas. Everybody has the victim mentality these days and everybody wants a free handout. Earn your **** and move on bitches"</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I dont call spending 20-30 hours a week playing a very physically demanding sport, putting your body and physical health at risk, while earning the University 25 million dollars a year a "victim mentality" or "wanting a free handout"- that is just stupid</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Ask the kid at Rutgers that is paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of his life after getting hurt last year playing in a game if he hasnt "earned his ****"</span></div>

IF ONLY THESE KIDS HAD A CHOICE! WHY CAN'T AMATEUR SPORTS BEVOLUNTARY??!?!?!? <div>
</div><div>17 THIS CRUEL EARTH!</div>

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Prisoner's dilemma relies on each party not knowing what the other is doing, i.e. prisoner A doesn't know what prisoner B is going to do, so he must make a choice that maximizes his own result in either case, even if doing so results in a suboptimal outcome. Each team can easily dress out and wait in the tunnel. If one team sees the other team go out, they can easily go out too.<div>
</div><div>Decision Matrix (for the PD uninitiated):</div><div>Alabama benefit/LSU benefit</div><div>
</div><div><table><tbody><tr><td></td><td>LSU doesn't play</td><td>LSU plays</td></tr><tr><td>Alabama doesn't play</td><td>+5/+5 (they make their point)</td><td>-10/+10 (LSU gets a big win and Bama forgoes all NC hopes)</td></tr><tr><td>Alabama plays</td><td>+108-10 (Alabama gets a big win and LSU forgoes all NC hopes)</td><td>0/0 (Game on!)</td></tr></tbody></table>
</div><div>While the optimum case is when both teams choose to not play, for each team choosing to play yields an individually better result than not playing no matter what the other team chooses to do. Of course, as stated earlier, each team can change its mind after observing what the other team does, so there really is no prisoner's dilemma. Both teams start at 'not playing' and move to 'playing' if it appears that the other team is also moving toward 'playing.'</div>

 

[Incognegro]

but that's an extremely closed minded way to look at it. I'm only going to stay in this particular topic less than the rest of what you said, but just because a vast majority of the athletes won't go pro doesn't mean they don't have the chance to do so. You never know if the next Ray Lewis is going to be playing at San Jose State or the next Aaron Rogers is even going to be at a SWAC school. I refuse to blame athletes that aspire to be great and think they could make it as long as their given that shot.<div>
</div><div>Now as for the rest of what you said.... you keep thinking that... You may actually have done well managing your time along with a football schedule, but no way in hell would you say that **** was easy when it's all said and done. I can say with all confidence that a vast majority of players do more from 5 to 8 a.m. than most regular students on campus do throughout their whole day.</div>

 

[DerHntr]

and therefore 34's idea makes no sense. They won't trust each other to follow through with it and the risk is way too high for the reward. Plus, I could never believe that Miles or Saban would risk their own career for $2,000 per player. </p>

 

[DerHntr]

for example, one of the ways MBA and BusinessPhD programs compete is through the amount of pay for their TA's and research assistants. I also don't think there is a cap on this but could be wrong. </p>

 

[EAVdog]

But I thought 'work study' was technically something akin to Federally backed student loans. I didn't do work study so I could be wrong on the way it is disbersed. Either way I think some sort of flat rate mandated or approved by the NCAA would suffice. Just so that the Bama's and Auburn's can't pay 2k per hour.

 

[Johnson85]

IF ONLY THESE KIDS HAD A CHOICE! WHY CAN'T AMATEUR SPORTS BEVOLUNTARY??!?!?!? <div>
</div><div>17 THIS CRUEL EARTH!</div>

Most people would flip their **** if there was a cartel in their own profession colluding to limit wages, but put young black men on the other side of it and all the sudden it's ok. Unbelievable.

Besides that, we're not really talking about amateur sports. Nobody is talking about paying Div II and Div. III athletes more cash money (and I would hope no one was talking about paying Div. I athletes in non-revenue generating sports more money, they already get a sweet deal). We're talking a about schools that essentially already have professional sports programs.

 

[DerHntr]

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[dawgbydesign]

Except for the fact that nobody is making these kids go to college.<div>
</div><div>There are other options.</div><div>
</div><div>Therefore playing in college on a full ride is the best deal.</div><div>
</div><div>Now back to your argument. Because managing a sports schedule isn't easy, athletes deserve to get paid. You can assume all you want about me by my post, but assuming we can judge you by yours, I've got a lot of life experience on you. My life has never been easy. I don't think I should get paid cause I had to put some effort into being successful.</div><div>
</div><div>Finally, your argument is not at all surprising considering the entitlement attitude that is predominant in today's society. Hey the university is making a bunch of jack. I have to work hard. I deserve to get paid!</div>

 

[Coach34]

DerHntr]

and therefore 34's idea makes no sense. They won't trust each other to follow through with it and the risk is way too high for the reward. Plus, I could never believe that Miles or Saban would risk their own career for $2,000 per player. </p>

they would be just as shocked as everybody else

 

[Seinfeld]

1. You will never in a million years get to the point where all 85 players say "17 you, take my scholly" because college football players don't have it bad. They just don't and not only that, but they're riding the gravy train. Sure, some take it for granted but most of them realize how good they have it and college football is the only thing they have to get themselves and their families on the path to a better life. I'm not arguing that they don't work hard. They absolutely do, but I also know that back in my days at college station, we went over to our football buddies' room once/wk at a minimum because there were always 3 thing you could count on. They'd have the latest PS2 game the day it came out, they'd always have women over, and you could get high by simply breathing the air in their apartment. There are other college athletes that struggle to make ends meet and if you want to pay them more, I'm all for it. But in my four years of college, I never once ran into a football player that couldn't afford to put food on the table and you're just not going to find too many players willing to risk what they have for a couple thousand dollars.

2. On the subject of unions or anything even remotely resembling one, you can debate their impact on economics and workers' pay all day on a political board but there is one thing that you can't debate. They are bad news for those on top. They cost them money, they cost them power, and they cost them control. Now take a look at who you're talking about here, mainly the SEC and the NCAA. If they even heard the slightest rumbling of an organized union, boycott, or whatever you want to call it, they would make sure of two things. That it would be quickly squashed and that an example was made in the process. Even if it cost college football a game or two and it kept the top 2 teams out of the championship for a year, a message would be sent because the short term losses would be nothing compared to any sort of organized players union. Legally speaking, you can't punish anyone for trying to create a union but you sure as hell can if they don't carry out the agreement tied to their scholarship. I would guess that refusing to play a game would most likely qualify.