If Stans were our coach

[QuaoarsKing]

Roster would be:

Renardo Sidney - cancer who didn't care about winning
Shaun Smith - - cancer who didn't care about winning
Kristers Zediaks - cancer who didn't care about winning
Wendell Lewis - not exactly a cancer, but his motivation wouldn't have improved a little with Stans like it has with Ray
Jalen Steele - decent SEC player
Roquez Johnson - he was absolutely terrible until Stans left, but maybe that's a coincidence

and then Ware, Sword, Thomas, and probably a few more late recruits, possibly some of the same ones that Ray brought in.

The roster would NOT include Rodney Hood, Deville Smith, or Devonta Pollard. This has been confirmed repeatedly that the first 2 were gone either way (getting rid of Stans is what made Hood at least think about staying), and it's been repeatedly confirmed that Pollard was never coming.

So we'd see largely the same roster, except we'd presumably still have Sidney, S. Smith, and Zediaks, and nobody on the team would play hard or care whether we won or lost.

Is it possible that we would be better than 4-7 had Stans stayed on? Maybe. Sidney did care a couple of times during his career, and maybe he could caused us to win today. But do you really believe we would be better off with him leading the team? We were going to be one of the worst teams in the SEC either way, and we would like **** the entire season.

Is Rick Ray definitely the answer? I hope so, today is a bad loss. If we're still this bad in year 3, by all means fire him. But at least we tried. He can't tear the program down any more than Stans would be had we kept him.

 

[was21]

He's not...yesterday's gone...moving on

 

[MagnificentBastard]

Lawrence Roberts, Shane Power, Arnett Moultrie. Stans had a way of improving the roster when he needed to. Nothing tells me that wouldn't have happened this year.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

Sidney wouldn't have been back period. Zediaks would probably have been a good contributor. Josh Gray would be our point guard. Who's to say if any of the guys that Ray brought in would even be Bulldogs. Say what you want about Rodney, but you don't know if he would be here or not. I wasn't a Stan's hater like most everybody else here, but this team would look much different Ray has got to ge his feet wet. Hopefully he learns quickly that the hard *** practices he has been doing aren't making us better. There could be a reason we've had so many injuries in practice. Discipline was and is needed but being too much of a hard *** is gonna be a deterrent to kids wanting to play for us. Book it.

 

[Angry Pirate]

So which is it? The coach who couldn't get his thugs to practice and had no strength program to speak of couldn't keep players around. So now, the guy who actually gets his players to do something during practice time isn't going to be able to keep players either? Well ****, we may as well just drop basketball and use that money to outspend Ole Miss on the football field.

Sidney wouldn't have been back period. Zediaks would probably have been a good contributor. Josh Gray would be our point guard. Who's to say if any of the guys that Ray brought in would even be Bulldogs. Say what you want about Rodney, but you don't know if he would be here or not. I wasn't a Stan's hater like most everybody else here, but this team would look much different Ray has got to ge his feet wet. Hopefully he learns quickly that the hard *** practices he has been doing aren't making us better. There could be a reason we've had so many injuries in practice. Discipline was and is needed but being too much of a hard *** is gonna be a deterrent to kids wanting to play for us. Book it.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

No. I am saying Ray is all gung ho right now killing the players in practice. When have you EVER seen as many ACL injuries in preseason PRACTICE? We needed discipline desperately, but don't freaking kill them. Make them work yes. Don't make them dread coming to the gym. Remember Rodney Hoods statements about how hard ray worked him? I've heard that was another factor in Hood leaving.

With all the **** going on and all the injuries, Ray deserves a chance to right the ship, but losing to Alabama A&M is a tough pill to swallow. Period.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Remember Rodney Hoods statements about how hard ray worked him? I've heard that was another factor in Hood leaving.

... Some people will just believe what they want to believe, even though it has been said by every source, including both Rodney Hood and his father that Hood wanted to leave before last season was over, and was definitely going to leave after the season was over. Rick Ray got Hood to briefly reconsider before moving on.

Why would you believe the opposite of what every source, most notably including the Hoods, says?

 

[SwingAway]

If Stan's were our coach we would have won. 17 Ray for kicking Zeikdes and Smith off. How stupid does that look. Discipline a ****** team by making fools run not kicking them off. After we get some talent then yeah bring out the boot but damn don't prove your "discipline" by losing to AAMU an posting a 6 win season

 

[JJs Frustration]

Sidney wouldn't have been back period. Zediaks would probably have been a good contributor. Josh Gray would be our point guard. Who's to say if any of the guys that Ray brought in would even be Bulldogs. Say what you want about Rodney, but you don't know if he would be here or not. I wasn't a Stan's hater like most everybody else here, but this team would look much different Ray has got to ge his feet wet. Hopefully he learns quickly that the hard *** practices he has been doing aren't making us better. There could be a reason we've had so many injuries in practice. Discipline was and is needed but being too much of a hard *** is gonna be a deterrent to kids wanting to play for us. Book it.

Thats fn stupid. I'm sure Izzo, Self, krykewski or whatever, Roy Williams didn't worry about building their first programs by hoping they weren't too much of a hard ***. Ray is an overbearing hard *** because our program hasn't seen hard work since tricky dick. **** I doubt Ray is not even close to as hard as Calipari or Donovan. These guys don't get ACL injuries by hard practices. ACL injuries are freak deals.

 

[Coach34]

If Stan's were our coach we would have won. 17 Ray for kicking Zeikdes and Smith off. How stupid does that look. Discipline a ****** team by making fools run not kicking them off.

No, 17 Stansbury for allowing **** like that on our roster in the first place. Those 2 were given more than one chance to stop smoking dope. They made the decision to eliminate themselves- all Ray did was follow rules that have been set.

 

[dawgman42]

Good gracious you are a fully complete 17ing moron.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

... Some people will just believe what they want to believe, even though it has been said by every source, including both Rodney Hood and his father that Hood wanted to leave before last season was over, and was definitely going to leave after the season was over. Rick Ray got Hood to briefly reconsider before moving on.

Why would you believe the opposite of what every source, most notably including the Hoods, says?

And after the workout Ray put Hood through,he was gone for sure. Did you here that too? I did. I also heard and read everything you did. I'm all for giving Ray a fair shake. But I think he better learn to balance his hard *** ways or his job is gonna be that much tougher. My opinion.

 

[JJs Frustration]

And after the workout Ray put Hood through,he was gone for sure. Did you here that too? I did. I also heard and read everything you did. I'm all for giving Ray a fair shake. But I think he better learn to balance his hard *** ways or his job is gonna be that much tougher. My opinion.

He needs to stay a hard *** and get some players in here that want to work. If a workout made Hood leave then good riddance. The worst thing about Stans was the fact our roster had no fn character. He let the inmates run the asylum. Screw that. Beat these ******* into submission and make them work. I still say I'm willing to bet Calipari and Donovan are much more hard-assed than Ray.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Sorry,

... Some people will just believe what they want to believe, even though it has been said by every source, including both Rodney Hood and his father that Hood wanted to leave before last season was over, and was definitely going to leave after the season was over. Rick Ray got Hood to briefly reconsider before moving on.

Why would you believe the opposite of what every source, most notably including the Hoods, says?

But Rodney Hood himself Tweeted several times that he ..."am looking forward to next year and being the leader of this team" BEFORE Stans announced his 'retirement.' Guess some people just believe what they want to believe.

Hood left, Gray decommitted, Pollard dropped us. ALL happened AFTER Stans 'retirement.' Sorry, but those are facts.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

Fine line. You ever heard of Cal or Donovan lose this many players in preseason practices?

 

[JJs Frustration]

Fine line. You ever heard of Cal or Donovan lose this many players in preseason practices?

You act like he is having 8 hour practices or he's beating them with shovels during workouts. The NCAA has limitations on practice time that all teams follow. The only way injuries would be caused by overworking them was if he ran them and made them lift weights the ENTIRE practice, and I doubt that is happening. Injuries just happen, it's not from the players being overworked. Of course they are overworked because our program hasn't been made to work before.

 

[ArcherSPS]

jesus christ you're still on that Stans' dick arent you whosyourdawgy? Please go back to your room at the retirement home so the other folks can use the interwebz box

 

[Coach34]

But Rodney Hood himself Tweeted several times that he ..."am looking forward to next year and being the leader of this team" BEFORE Stans announced his 'retirement.' Guess some people just believe what they want to believe.

Hood left, Gray decommitted, Pollard dropped us. ALL happened AFTER Stans 'retirement.' Sorry, but those are facts.

the Hood's also talked about how they wanted to leave before the season was even over. This has been confirmed through others.
Gray decommitted because his allowance was taken away.
Pollard did indeed drop us because we dropped out of the bidding war. One that we were very unlikely to win in the first place.

 

[cheewgumm]

The chance we took in getting rid of Stans was that we would not be able to

get the players. Stans could do that. There was/is always the chance that we would not be able to any more and we will go back to being truly mediocre.


Too early to say, but that is the chance in getting rid of "the recruiter". And I don't think that is a derogatory name...you gotta have players 1st. It's the mode important trait of a good coach.

 

[JJs Frustration]

get the players. Stans could do that. There was/is always the chance that we would not be able to any more and we will go back to being truly mediocre.


Too early to say, but that is the chance in getting rid of "the recruiter". And I don't think that is a derogatory name...you gotta have players 1st. It's the mode important trait of a good coach.

The glue from this dead horse is long since dried. The "players" we had the last few years were worthless sacks of ****. Stans got them and didn't do jackshit to make them more accountable and hard working. Hence he's gone. I would rather see if we can go get some players that have a little drive and character and see if we can do it that way. It takes time to change culture especially a toxic one. Ray may fail but it won't be worse than keeping the "recruiter" it will be because Ray ain't the right guy. At the end Stans wasn't the right guy either. We are better off going the Ray route and seeing if it will work and the culture will change.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

It's Jesus Christ first and foremost and He has no business in your post......

jesus christ you're still on that Stans' dick arent you whosyourdawgy? Please go back to your room at the retirement home so the other folks can use the interwebz box

And no, I am not still wishing Stans was our coach. It was time. This is all about Coach Ray and if he is gonna be successful for us or not. He deserves a chance to succeed. But he needs to figure out how to balance the discipline he's trying to instill with production on the court. Now please go back to wherever you came from and take that weak *** post with you.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

Agree with you 100 percent Coach. Stans let the players get away with way too..

No, 17 Stansbury for allowing **** like that on our roster in the first place. Those 2 were given more than one chance to stop smoking dope. They made the decision to eliminate themselves- all Ray did was follow rules that have been set.

much and change had to be made. If Smith and Z broke the rules set, they got what they deserved. The coach has to have control of the team and have the respect of the players. Stans lost that his last several years. I just hope Ray isn't going to the other extreme with this. College basketball in the SEC is supposed to be hard work but still a fun experience. I really hope Coach Ray can turn this around, but I also hope he isn't drivnig us further in the grave with a complete 180 from what Stans was doing wrong. Gotta be a happy medium in there somewhere. He deserves a few years to try it his way. It ain't gonna be fun for at least this and next season. Maybe when these freshmen are juniors, but I just don't see how it could be any sooner.

 

[cheewgumm]

Agree in principle...but it won't matter about the "right way" if we don't get

players.

The glue from this dead horse is long since dried. The "players" we had the last few years were worthless sacks of ****. Stans got them and didn't do jackshit to make them more accountable and hard working. Hence he's gone. I would rather see if we can go get some players that have a little drive and character and see if we can do it that way. It takes time to change culture especially a toxic one. Ray may fail but it won't be worse than keeping the "recruiter" it will be because Ray ain't the right guy. At the end Stans wasn't the right guy either. We are better off going the Ray route and seeing if it will work and the culture will change.

 

[Dawg1976]

Good gracious you are a fully complete 17ing moron.

+1. Enough said.

 

[KODog]

Losing to Alabam A&M in the Hump under any circumstance is pathetic; "enough said"...

 

[JJs Frustration]

players.

Im not talking about the "right way". Under no circumstance should this be compared to that pos Crooms. Hell there are good teams all over college basketball that have guys that come to campus that are of questionable character and get to campus thru means that are, shall we say, questionable. It's what happens when they get to campus that makes the difference. I'm all for doing the things we did before to get players but at least have a leader as coach that will hold them accountable to some type of standard for the time they are here. Winning helps with that but first we have to change the culture and that takes discipline and its hard. Ray may not be the guy to do it but then again he may turn out to be. But I damn sure don't want to go back to the embarrassment that was Stans.

 

[Shmuley]

The jury is WAY too far out on Stricklin's choicer for any sort of declaration about "accountability" or "standards" to which he might hold players. I want to see how he recruits first. And then I want to see what he does with player development. Anthony Grant's *** is hot enough to boil water on right now because his recruiting has been spotty and his player development has SUUUU HUUUUUUH HUCKED. I want to see if Rick2 can get over the recruit/development hump to go along with hard *** defense. I'm also curious to see how he responds when Stricklin's boss starts sitting in on evaluations and having hard conversations about results. Let's see if "accountability" and "standards" and "right way" remain in the lexicon.

 

[JJs Frustration]

The jury is WAY too far out on Stricklin's choicer for any sort of declaration about "accountability" or "standards" to which he might hold players. I want to see how he recruits first. And then I want to see what he does with player development. Anthony Grant's *** is hot enough to boil water on right now because his recruiting has been spotty and his player development has SUUUU HUUUUUUH HUCKED. I want to see if Rick2 can get over the recruit/development hump to go along with hard *** defense. I'm also curious to see how he responds when Stricklin's boss starts sitting in on evaluations and having hard conversations about results. Let's see if "accountability" and "standards" and "right way" remain in the lexicon.

No doubt about any of that. My point with some of these asshats is we have to instill some things into the program that haven't been there. If we find out he can't get players in run his *** out on a rail.

 

[patdog]

Agree completely Coach. And those rules aren't set by the basketball coach anyway. They're set higher up. They both kicked themselves off the team and it didn't matter who the basketball coach was. Where we screwed up was in giving Stans one more year after he screwed the pooch on the handling of the Hawaii fight. That should have been the last straw.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

You think Coach K doesn't work his players? If you realy believe that he decided

at least in part to leave because Coach Ray's workout was to intense and then decided to go play for Coach K, then I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

 

[FreeDawg]

I'm going to take a rare stance here. The biggest fault Stansbury had was his hiring of assistants. It's clear Stan's could get some decent players and I don't think he was an awful coach. For whatever reasons, a lot of these players thought he was a ***** and gave the program pains. He needed an enforcer, tough-as-nails, discipline oriented assistant. Ray is the coaching personality we need but our prayers better be with Flanigan being the recruiter of the century

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Wow. What a complete dumb17.

nm

 

[tenureplan]

Rodney also said next year it would be his team and he would be more of a leader

before Stans resigned too...

what are you going to believe?

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

If Stan's were our coach we would have won. 17 Ray for kicking Zeikdes and Smith off. How stupid does that look. Discipline a ****** team by making fools run not kicking them off. After we get some talent then yeah bring out the boot but damn don't prove your "discipline" by losing to AAMU an posting a 6 win season

Yes we would have won. However, we would have lost at least one other game we won earlier this year so it's a wash. Do you seriously not remember the bad losses Stans had?

 

[thf24]

We should of course believe Hood

before Stans resigned too...

what are you going to believe?

Because no 18-year-old kid has ever lied on the internet before.**

 

[tenureplan]

And no dad has ever lied either

cecil

 

[ArcherSPS]

You realize what you're saying right? That Rick Ray shouldn't discipline the players and let them be **** heads so that we can be a better on the court and embarrass ourselves off of it...Good lord I can't believe how ****** of a poster and a fan you are