How do you not get that logic? Are you 12? I've made numerous decisions over the course of my life that at the time were good ideas. But due largely in part to unforeseeable circumstances they turned out to be bad decisions. Hindsight. Ever heard of it?
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No I'm not 12 and I don't appreciate your tone. Question for you... was Joker a good hire? Yes or no.....
Your right, we all felt Coach Stoops was a good hire, especially after the first recruiting class. Let's hope we were right, but the next three games will tell us a lot. If he can't win all three, he should be gone.
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meh. blah. haven't read the thread yet, so I suspect it's been pointed out - but you're making stuff up.
I don't have faith Barnhart can hire the right guy after Stoops because of his history of hiring coaches at UK. This whole thing about morality tests and holy roller and saint is all made up.
He hired Dennis Erickson, Billy Gillispie and John Calipari (perception) for crying out loud.
you're smarter than that. what evidence do you have that his hiring criteria includes - let alone is entirely "based on" - his religious beliefs.
Isn't enough just to say we don't have faith in Barnhart to find the right guy because of his record of not finding the right guy, without resorting to all sorts of outlandish unfounded claims?
Again, he hired Dennis Erickson. If he won't hire someone based on "biases and religious beliefs" - how do you square that?
hindsight is of course 20/20, but Barnhart should have recognized one of the reasons Joker failed is because he had never lead a program before, just being a part of building a program is much much different than being 'the man' making all the calls. Therefore the decision to hire another non-head coach/coordinator was a foolish one, he should have duplicated what worked - Rich Brooks - by hiring a seasoned veteran former head coach.
Agree whole heartedly about the raise and extension, what a knucklehead move! I had a terrible feeling when he was hired, mainly because it looked exactly like the Joker coordinator to first HC job experiment all over again. Also the fact that Stoops recruited himself, that was odd and kind of troubling. But my terrible feelings were tempered by Stoops' defense rankings near the top, and his recruiting prowess, so I thought he would turn things around. But in hindsight, boy was I way off!
Stoops will, in my opinion, prove the negative Nancys wrong just like Brooks did. You were wrong about Brooks, Phillips, Gillespie and now Stoops will.
MB is the one in charge of researching these guys before they are hired. Do you not find it ironic that a guy with the Stoops name wasn't being mentioned in HC jobs? How did MB not speak with anyone that knew that BCG had some serious off the court issues? When you are going to pay someone millions of dollars you should probably get to know a heck of a whole lot about them and just not from people that like them.
If MB is putting in the time and effort in some of these hires he really needs to consider changing his criteria.
If MB is putting in the time and effort in some of these hires he really needs to consider changing his criteria.
Maybe I'm a little slow but I figured you out long ago. You should try to force a smile on that sour puss and join the fun and not stay in the curmudgeon role you seem to relish.
Surely it's only an act.
I understand that Vandy doesnt have a sports forum, but sometimes you should just sit back and read. You are a much better lurker than poster.
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if you want to keep appearing completely ignorant on a subject keep talking about Cal.
For all the posts you have you would at least thought that you would have looked some facts without the rumor mill trash.
This is what happens when you take everything you hear from the Bettys at the Commodore beauty shop as fact.
"Without music, life would be a mistake" Kentucky football doesnt seem to sing. I'm guessing 20-10 Vandy.
I live in Atlanta and know a lot of Georgia fans.
The "fire Richt and hire Kirby" situation had mixed reactions.
Few disliked Richt. It was what I call the "Saban effect." Saban's spectacular success at Bama stokes many of the SEC fan bases (Barnhart is oblivious to this). Georgia (and others) shout "Why not us?!"
Georgia always thought that they always had one of their favorite sons (Kirby Smart) in their back pocket. He could bring recruiting prowess, the Saban Method, and an alumnus' loyalty.
But then...Spurrier retired mid-season. Panic set in. South Carolina could sign Kirby!
Now Kirby is 3-2 (1-2 in the East). Richt is 4-0.
Add to that Kirby brought Saban's prickly manner to the press and (to a lesser extent) the fans.
So...Georgia does NOT think so.
The logic went something like this: If the guy can win at Texas A&M, a place with no national profile, imagine what he could do with UK's resources and tradition! Unfortunately, the bright lights were too much for him. The garbage that he could get away with in College Station (where no one cared what he did because. . .no one cared) won't fly on the big stage.
You don't have to be a religious zealot, to not condone the actions of some of the clowns that you morons want MB to hire.
MB made an Indiana type hire and got the guy that beat UofL. With enough research you would think that someone out there could of told MB that this guy had some vices and quirks that would eventually lead to some issues. Nope instead MB considered the guy to be a better fit here than John Calipari who won and RECRUITED better than anyone in America.
How many other SEC schools would let an AD make a terrible hire in football and basketball within just a few years? I'm not going to say Stoops is a terrible hire too, but he very well may be the third bad one. Didn't the president just give MB a raise?
This is the problem with our current AD.
2 NCAA appearances with the best getting beat in the sweet sixteen is not winning enough to be UK's head coach.
Agreed, bp, but recall the context. He thought - and from what I've heard, justifiably so - that he had a guy who'd just won back to back national titles. The Donovan backed out, apparently because of Mrs. BD, whatever. So......who to get then? Was there anyone else who was "qualified to be the UK coach"? Gillispie was a sort of obvious answer, probably among a few others.
Now, to be sure, I'm defending the logic of the hire as we knew it at the time, based on what happened with Donovan and what we knew of BG. Of course, what the AD should've known that we didn't was that BG was socially retarded, didn't like people much, and had alcohol tendencies. IOW, just the kind of person to put in the Fishbowl!! Heh....
Tubby recruited way below where the program should be. BCG wasn't recruiting at a high level at A&M. Coach Cal, the top recruiter in the nation was getting top classes at Memphis and he didnt even get a call. Then we get Joker who MB was able to evaluate himself.
Barnhart has, so far, shown an unwillingness to compete in major sports and hides himself in the minor ones. If Stoops can win big, in his fifth year, then that will somewhat vindicate Barny. If not we would have more luck competing against loaded dice in a crap game than having Barny make a good hire following a Brooks' departure
Now some of his celebrated minor sports hires seem to be built on sand and crumbling. It could be the majority of stable major and minor sports people have so little respect for him they may not even want to interview for a position. In that respect, consider his rumored attempt to hire a well known NFL coach as frivolous at best. What successful NFL coach would want to begin recruiting high school kids and put up with some of their parents? None, is the answer to that. Desperate propaganda, at best, to prop up Barnhart's failing major sport credibility.
Only at UK could an SEC AD, with his record, remain employed. The man is a genius at keeping his job or, more than likely, his bosses are well intentioned fools.
Therefore I'm riding out the storm and pulling for Coach Stoops this year and the foreseeable future. Keep Barny out of this.
Now some of his celebrated minor sports hires seem to be built on sand and crumbling. It could be the majority of stable major and minor sports people have so little respect for him they may not even want to interview for a position. In that respect, consider his rumored attempt to hire a well known NFL coach as frivolous at best. What successful NFL coach would want to begin recruiting high school kids and put up with some of their parents? None, is the answer to that. Desperate propaganda, at best, to prop up Barnhart's failing major sport credibility.
Only at UK could an SEC AD, with his record, remain employed. The man is a genius at keeping his job or, more than likely, his bosses are well intentioned fools.
Therefore I'm riding out the storm and pulling for Coach Stoops this year and the foreseeable future. Keep Barny out of this.
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The Donovan silent verbal?
Tubby didnt bolt in the middle of the night.
MB was well aware and still very unprepared.
You do not hire the head coach of the most storied basketball program based upon beating the Cards one time.
I very distinctly remember criticizing Mitch for hiring Stoops because Stoops came to Mitch and pitched himself to Mitch with his blueprints and the like. He wasn't even on Mitch's list. How unprepared is this guy? Same guy who outsourced the Gillispie hire. Who the hell does that for what is one of the most important jobs in the entire state? It's a joke that just isn't funny anymore. Now once we looked at Stoops and his resume, yes, I liked the hire. I still like Coach Stoops based on his media interactions and the like and would love for him to be the guy who turns this thing around. Expecting 6 wins and a bowl game in year 4 is a laughably low bar to set, and yet here we are struggling to get there, and fans still are excusing it. It does not take 4 years to beat 3 cupcakes and the likes of the SEC East fellow cellar dwellars plus Mississippi State. It just doesnt.
The point was that they did, they made the hire. And I'm not talking about fans, fans opinions don't mean ****. We're uninformed and reactionary by nature.
Read and history book about UK football and then tell me 6 wins isn't tough to do here. Or keep hiring and firing coaches, it's worked out so well for us over the last 50 years.
You'd probably benefit from heeding your own advice and reading thst book instead of making smarmy replies on here to mine. If you had, you'd know that we didn't start the 12 game season until 2006...not coincidentally the first year Brooks made a bowl. The 11 game season years before that had 8 SEC games plus Louisville, Indiana, and a regional patsy. Before we renewed with Louisville we still had Indiana and whoever else. Our schedule NOW, not how scheduling was done 50 years ago, has 3 automatic wins (and we lost the first one this year.) You add Vandy, our West permanent Mississippi State who is most years not good....that's 5. Add in South Carolina, Missouri.....maybe our other West opponent is down. If you think that's asking too much then you're the one who needs to spend time studying football history.
Let's look at his 3 years here and see how your argument works out. You're saying that we should consistently beat these 3 teams.
2015 -
MSU 9-4, Miss. 5-7, USC 3-9
2014
MSU 10-3, Missouri 11-3, USC 7-6
2013
Missouri 12-2 MSU 7-6 USC 11-2
All 3 of these programs are historically better than UK.
You're completely right, we should fire any coach that can't beat these programs annually, I mean 4 years is plenty of time to make that happen. Especially with our extensive history of success.
Jesus, how hard is it to understand that this program is going to have to grow in baby steps. We have 4 wins every year that should be guaranteed (not that it has worked out that way in the past, but it should). Then we have 2 beat two teams that have better pedigrees. That should be the goal, but we also need to give a coach time to build the program to have sustained success.
Your argument is that the best 3 year stretch in Mississippi State history is a valid sample size? They are not historically better than us. Missouri is and we need to take steps towards their level. We did last year. South Carolina wasnt better than us historically either until Spurrier. Go open that history book and show me when they last won 10-11 games before him. I'll wait.