To be honest. Outside of the QB position I think UK is every bit as good as UL talent wise. But they have a big time advantage at QB and an even bigger advantage with the head coaches. So I expect a beat down.
I'm Not Writing off the UL Game
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We are talking about Bobby Petrino. He will run the score up. I have no doubt about it.
If our players really believe they can win then there is a chance. Stuff happens in sports, to say we have 0 chance some 5-6 weeks from the game is silly imo. some of our young lb's are learning how to play and they might have speed enough to somewhat contain Lamar J. on paper they win easily but it won't be played on paper, some people might be surprised how competitive the game just might turn out.
UofL defensive line will probably be hard to contain. One player is not the difference between a top 5 team and a team in the bottom quarter of the nation. It would take the perfect storm for us to even be competitive in it. People are not taking into consideration that USCjr and Vandy have two of the worst offenses in the nation.
UL will score more points against UK in football than their basketball team will.
Threads like this are what two cupcakes and a bye week get you.
Most likely we head to Louisville searching for our third straight 5-7 season and leave 4-8 just like everyone with a brain knew we would do after watching the Southern Miss game.
Most likely we head to Louisville searching for our third straight 5-7 season and leave 4-8 just like everyone with a brain knew we would do after watching the Southern Miss game.
You've convinced me. I don't even know who Gran and Handshaw are but I am starting to worry about this game. Thanks for the heads up guys.
When the player is Lamar Jackson then yes it does make that much of a difference. Outside of Lamar Jackson I would take our roster over UL's. You're also forgetting they play in the ACC. I would almost guarantee that UK would finish 7-5 give or take a win every year on a yearly basis if we were in the ACC. They never play anyone good. They beat a very down FSU team who I would not be surprised to see finish the season unranked. So if FSU drops out the rankings, and that's UL's best win. Then who is to say they're a top 5 team? Hell no. I think UL is very overrated. I think they're the 20th best team in country and the beneficiary of an absolutely garbage schedule. So I don't think anyone truly knows how good UL is. But a top 5 team in the hunt for a playoff spot? Nuh uh no way, that's just not the case. They're not a top 5 team. I don't think they're a top 10 team. I could see us beating UL. As we saw last season. Them without Lamar Jackson, we're a better team with a better roster. But Lamar Jackson is just that good. But if you take Lamar Jackson off that team then I truly believe both teams are equally as good roster wise with UK having a slight edge on talent. And UL having a big time edge coaching. But UL has a million times better HC, and they'll always have better records due to the piss poor schedule and conference.
But yes one player does make that team. Without Lamar that team is an average unranked team no doubt in my mind about it. I honestly think our team as a whole has better players. They just have by far the best player. And when it's the QB. It makes a huge difference. But by no means in any way shape or form is UL a top 5 team. They might end the season with zero wins over ranked teams but we want to call them top 5? Sorry just not buying it. UL is easily one of the most overrated teams. They're good but not great. Without Lamar Jackson they are NOT a top 25 team not a doubt in my mind. And I wouldn't be completely surprised to see UK pull off the upset if they figure out some type of way to contain Lamar Jackson, which is the toughest of challenges. BUT our defense is much improved. So we'll see. I really don't think UL is that good. At all. They're not the powerhouse many here make them out to be. They're a product of a weak schedule in a weak conference.
Bobby is not playing against our team, he is playing against this quality administration.
Yeah because the SEC East is just loaded with top-tier teams this year...
You forget we play 2 SEC west teams a year. Until this year MSU had been really good. And we played Alabama. And Texas AM and Tennessee would be the 2nd and 4th best teams in ACC, bama would be number one, Florida would be top 5. UGA is usually good. I think you 100% misread the context of what I was saying. I was saying on a year in and year out basis. A 5-7 SEC team is equal to a 7-5 ACC team IMO. I wasn't talking bout just this year. Was saying if we were in ACC we would finish 7-5 6-6 or 8-4 at best. On a consistent basis, which takes in consideration all years. Now that we have the facility upgrades we have which will maintain our recruiting. We would definitely win a lot more games in the AC if that's where we played. With UL's schedule. Most years. We would win a lot more games. Vice versa, if UL had our schedule, they would lose a lot more games. Usually we have one of the toughest schedules in the nation. No doubt if we were in ACC we would win A LOT more. We wouldn't be a bottom dweller in the ACC.
We shouldn't lose any more games this year. 9*3, SEC East title, beat Alabama in SEC championship game, go to playoffs, win NC If that happens I say give MS an extension
They are impossible to beat for a team that plays conservative trying to keep it close. A team like that they crush because of the way they take away the run first. And on defense playing soft to make them drive it opens up the QB run. We would have to go in with a different mind set than we normally do of not worrying about possibly losing 70-0 because of attacking hard on offense and defense. IMO that would be our only chance, being the aggressor on both sides of the ball the whole game and just hope we get in a rythem doing it.
Would you rather lose 45-7 playing conservative to at least keep it respectable? Or possibly lose 60-0 playing to win but at least giving us a chance to win if we make some plays, get confidence and get in a rythem?
Would you rather lose 45-7 playing conservative to at least keep it respectable? Or possibly lose 60-0 playing to win but at least giving us a chance to win if we make some plays, get confidence and get in a rythem?
Counting this year UK is 43-42-4 against Vandy. How does that signal a better record in the ACC when you have not been dominate against the bottom teams in the SEC? As far as the rosters, your current starting QB is not as good as U of L's backup QB Kyle Bolin. Others better players on U of L's roster are safety JHC, Defensive End DF and tightend CH.
Any given team on any given day...nah, it's going be an ugly L for us with a lot of ugly people holding their cigarette stained fingers in the shape of an L.
So you're saying that at Linebacker that Kentucky is just as good/talented as James Hearns, DeVante Fields and Keith Kelsey...really...or Kentucky has a NT as talented as DeAngelo Brown....ok...
As for where you say UL is better. DE maybe, ours are young but I like the talent of ware, Allen etc more. TE? No. You just have a QB that can get him the ball. Safety? No. Our DB's are damn good. As I said. Outside of the QB position I like UK's talent more. I like UL's coach a million times more, which counts for a lot. And I also mentioned the facility upgrades which will maintain our recruiting and keep us out of competition with Vandy. It's kind of a new UK as far as a recruits perception goes so we will be on the rise at some point. And what I was saying. How we've been finishing 5-7 lately, in the ACC that would equal 7-5 considering the difference in schedule difficulties. Give us UL's cup cake schedule of Syracuse so on and so forth.
I would guarantee at least 6 wins with that schedule. Whereas our schedule equals 4-5 wins. Also. The competition these position groups of UL play against. Are against MUCH WEAKER competition. You all did play Clemson and FSU. But I don't count FSU as a good team. And the rest of the schedule. You have Houston. They play 2 good teams this season. Yes I truly believe UK at 5-7 would equal 7-5 in the ACC if they played only 2 good games a season. And every year in the history of ever. If we played in ACC we would win more games than in the SEC, regardless of how bad we are. The ACC is garbage for football, it's not a comparison with the competition of a brutal SEC. So yes 5-7 would equal 7-5 in garbage ACC.
No. I'm not saying that. Does the linebackers make up an entire teams talent? Damn didn't know. I'm talking about a team as a whole, outside the QB position where UL has clear advantage. The recruiting rankings even indicate as much as that UL's only advantage is the QB position, when you look at the team's as a whole OUTSIDE THE QB POSITION.
Don't by recruiting rankings...if you go by those than Washington would be a middle of the pack Pac 12 school...not a school with the inside track to the CFP...to put it to you this way...if you go the rankings Kentucky has outrecruited them
Beating the three cupcakes UK schedules each season that helps to achieve that 5-7 record equates to beating which ACC teams? Feel free to mix and match or pick playing in one of the conference divisions.
Step away from the bottle dude. NC State would beat any team that UK has beaten.
UK is 56-53 lifetime against teams currently in the ACC and many of those games are from yesteryear. UK is 0-1 against Pitt, SYR, BC and 0-4 against duke. I appreciate your optimism and faith in your school but IMO you are over reaching at this stage of your program.
So when you get the guys onto Campus, the next step is to develop them. You can bring in 20x 5-star guys... and then never develop them so that they play like 3-stars. Matt Elam is a curious case. Probably the highest ranked DL recruit UK has acquired, since Dennis Johnson. Elam is not on a SINGLE draft board as a junior...or senior. In fact, I would break the positions down like this...
1) Bam Williams is the best Running back in the game... followed by Radcliff. Schnell is no better than our 3 other 6'0" running backs..
2) We already know Jackson is superior to every QB in the South Eastern Conference. Dobbs runs a close close close 2nd... I give Johnson his props... but poor Barker... smh...
3) Jones for UK, is a good LB... he has to be... but Fields wasn't even our best guy last year... it was Treyvon Young who got injured during the bowl game. Hearns is up there as well... and then we have 2 more LB's, one who will get drafted this year.
4) Our Line did the job on Dalvin COok... 54 yards is his lowest total of the season. Keep in mind...we held FSU to their lowest total of the season in Yards and points... James Hearns has the same amount of sacks as your guy Ware...
5) Our OL has kept our QB clean... only 8 sacks this year, so far. And 5 of those came against Clemson.
6) We have faced to top-20 offenses, Clemson and FSU, and we have gone 1-1 against them. UK has gone 0-2 against the likes of BAMA and Southern Miss...
7) The ultimate indicator of talent is the number of guys getting drafted into the NFL... We are probably looking at 6-10 players being drafted in this 2016 draft: JHC, Staples, Fields, COle H, etc).
No offense intended but the sec east is probably the worst division in P5 football. UofL could bring K Bolin in and most likely roll UK. Who has UK played or beaten that is even remotely good? Latest sos that I saw was UofL is top 5 while UK is 63rd. Your defense is much improved but it's been against teams that are absolutely terrible. Good luck on November 26th.
Alabama is tough, that I give you. But...Louisville beat Texas A&M in bowl game last year, who just beat Tennessee. FSU beat Ole Miss by double digits, who waxed Georgia. Clemson beat Auburn in their own yard, who beat LSU.
According to current Sagarin rankings, UK is projected to finish the season 4-8. According to those same ratings, Sagarin predicts UK would also have 4 wins playing Louisville's schedule, beating only Charlotte, Marshall, and escaping Syracuse & Duke by a 1/2 point each.
This is pretty stupid logic. I could do the same with other scenarios but it is meaningless. UL would have their hands full against Ole miss or A&M. Or UT. Other than your QB they probably all have more talent on the field. One good hit to lamar and they would all likely beat you.