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being in the Big 12 conference and I blame that on David Boren. He could have made the decision to go to the SEC and it has crippled Bob's recruiting and as Switzer always said It's about Johnny's and the Joe's not the X's and the O's. We just haven't had the talent DEPTH we used to in a long time. We have great players but not many to create a depth of great players. That is why injuries hurt us so much. Shepard went down last year and so did our season as an example.

If OU were fortunate enough to go to the SEC you would see an immediate influx of talent because with the brand name of OU and being in the SEC our recruiting would go through the roof especially in Texas. It would be OU and Alabama ruling the college football world and ESPN would be giving OU a love fest like they do Bama year round. You think that wouldn't help our recruiting tremendously? We all know Bob is a great coach and if he were able to recruit a couple of years with OU in the SEC he would be a terror again IMO in the college football world. The SEC is killing our program and it doesn't even matter if we beat them every time we play them. It just doesn't matter because we are not in the SEC. We need to be in the SEC as soon as we can get in. Boren thinks OU is too liberal and above the SEC universities. He wants OU to be in the same vein as a California or Wisconsin and I think that would be bad for OU football and the university.

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couldn't agree anymore, in fact I was saying the exact same thing this morning. What the hell was he thinking?
 
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I think you are a third right. You are right about the talent level. It is not bad, but it is not elite. But I think in this case, your hindsight is not close to 20/20.

OU being in the SEC would not make up for the horrible status of instate hs football in Oklahoma. And when we play an SEC school, we play well usually, but get beat up. over the course of a season, the attrition would kill us.

i guess OU has always won with guys who were a little smaller and a little quicker. When I watch us, OUr guys always seem smaller than the good teams we line up against.

If we were in the SEC, the difference would be magnified. This year is a little different, because OUr OLine is not so much small, as it is just not very good. Being in the SEC would result in a lot more 8 and 5 seasons, or worse. and I think OUr brand might be great for networks, but not nearly as prominent as you claim in recruiting. Every consistent winner in the SEC West has a great home base of recruiting talent.

So long as the state allows the winning high schools to cherry pick talent from everybody else, then instate recruiting will be a crap shoot, with occasional bright spots, but more downs than ups.
 
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I seen a pink elephant once, scared the dogshit out of me. Never smoked that crap again. Let this be a lesson to you all.
 
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TCU & Baylor are not having issues recuiting in the Big 12. They're winning with the kids they're getting.

A&M, Missouri, and Nebraska bailed on the B12 while they couldn't win a Championship anymore. They still haven't. If we can't beat the teams in our conference, I don't see us beating others in other conferences either.
 
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I seen a pink elephant once, scared the dogshit out of me. Never smoked that crap again. Let this be a lesson to you all.
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Saw thick purple fog coming out of my Stonehenge size speakers while playing the first Led Zep album once. Funny, no one else that was there saw it.

Eh, what can I tell ya...it was the 70s. :D
 
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If anyone thinks OU not going to the sec would result in less talent and more losses then shame on you. OU is a name brand just like Bama. Look at what aTm and Missouri have done in the SEC and they were bottom feeders in the big 12. Just the money alone that OU would benefit from in the SEC makes it even more mond boggling that we did not bolt if we had the chance. I for one wish OU would go to the Sec and leave this crappy conference behind. The big 12 was already snubbed last year in the CF Playoffs because we do not have a Conf Championship Game and it will happen again and if you think it would not happen to OU if we EVER get to that spot then you are fooling yourself. Back to the OU losing more in the SEC. If aTM can outrecruit OU since joining the SEC then what does that say? What are you guys afraid of? OU has a great record vs the SEC and would be a name brand going after recruits that are from tne Southern States so their famalies could see them play. We cannot get those recruits from the South while we are in the the big 12. If Texas did not go to the SEC then think of the leg up we would have on the state of texas in recruiting being in the sec. We should be able to cherry pick recruits and land most as aTm would be the only competition. The Sec has always made more sense to me than any other conference as the Sec is making its presence known via aTm and missouri receuiting wise in the state of texas, as well as aTm and Arkansas playing in Dallas and as we all saw Alabama coming to Dallas to play Wisconsin while the big 12 sits back and says, oh thats a great idea! Why didn't we think of doing that in Atlanta or another SEC territory City. Because the sec is always looking to improve and build the brand while the big 12 is just standing by wondering what the hell happened.
 
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Not to mention we kinda pulled out of HEAVILY recruiting Texas and started to go after kids in California, Arizona, Florida, etc. Say what you want but when you decide to go national in recruiting you leave the state of Texas open and that's another reason in my opinion TCU and Baylor has seen a rise in talent.

With Texas being down the last couple years if we would have just stayed after Texas we would have gotten a lot of those kids and been in the door for a lot more.
 
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I think you are a third right. You are right about the talent level. It is not bad, but it is not elite. But I think in this case, your hindsight is not close to 20/20.

OU being in the SEC would not make up for the horrible status of instate hs football in Oklahoma. And when we play an SEC school, we play well usually, but get beat up. over the course of a season, the attrition would kill us.

i guess OU has always won with guys who were a little smaller and a little quicker. When I watch us, OUr guys always seem smaller than the good teams we line up against.

If we were in the SEC, the difference would be magnified. This year is a little different, because OUr OLine is not so much small, as it is just not very good. Being in the SEC would result in a lot more 8 and 5 seasons, or worse. and I think OUr brand might be great for networks, but not nearly as prominent as you claim in recruiting. Every consistent winner in the SEC West has a great home base of recruiting talent.

So long as the state allows the winning high schools to cherry pick talent from everybody else, then instate recruiting will be a crap shoot, with occasional bright spots, but more downs than ups.
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Plaino - So you are saying Bob Stoops isn't good enough to coach in the SEC and/or be good enough to win a National Championship anymore no matter what conference he is coaching in? SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, Big 10 etc. What conference would OU have to be in for Bob Stoops to be able to win a National Championship? How do you think OU can ever win a NC again or are you saying it is impossible for OU to be a NC again? I never thought I would see the day where you would blast Bob Stoops and say he can't coach us to a National Championship. I'm not saying I disagree with you but I am surprised at this negative post toward Stoops and the OU program in general from you. ;)

On a positive note I DO believe in the OU brand and think we would be Powerhouse in recruiting if we were in the SEC. It would be massive upgrades in talent and I believe we would be a recruiting juggernaught in Texas especially again.
 
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Missouri was a bottom feeder? I remember them being in the thick of the conference race quite a bit.
 
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Booger eater got them up to number 2 or 3 in the country at one point. I'm just saying when I think of Missouri and A&M I don't think of Bottom Feeders...
 
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If anyone thinks OU not going to the sec would result in less talent and more losses then shame on you. OU is a name brand just like Bama. Look at what aTm and Missouri have done in the SEC and they were bottom feeders in the big 12. Just the money alone that OU would benefit from in the SEC makes it even more mond boggling that we did not bolt if we had the chance. I for one wish OU would go to the Sec and leave this crappy conference behind. The big 12 was already snubbed last year in the CF Playoffs because we do not have a Conf Championship Game and it will happen again and if you think it would not happen to OU if we EVER get to that spot then you are fooling yourself. Back to the OU losing more in the SEC. If aTM can outrecruit OU since joining the SEC then what does that say? What are you guys afraid of? OU has a great record vs the SEC and would be a name brand going after recruits that are from tne Southern States so their famalies could see them play. We cannot get those recruits from the South while we are in the the big 12. If Texas did not go to the SEC then think of the leg up we would have on the state of texas in recruiting being in the sec. We should be able to cherry pick recruits and land most as aTm would be the only competition. The Sec has always made more sense to me than any other conference as the Sec is making its presence known via aTm and missouri receuiting wise in the state of texas, as well as aTm and Arkansas playing in Dallas and as we all saw Alabama coming to Dallas to play Wisconsin while the big 12 sits back and says, oh thats a great idea! Why didn't we think of doing that in Atlanta or another SEC territory City. Because the sec is always looking to improve and build the brand while the big 12 is just standing by wondering what the hell happened.
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That is exactly what I'm trying to say. We need the SEC as soon as we can go. Boren screwed the entire fanbase by not going when we had the chance. Now with the GOR we won't be able to go what for another 8 years or something like that? The Big 12 is kinda like a lot of OU fans playing the violin while the titanic sinks. The SEC would save our program for years to come and I can't comprehend why our big money people (many that I hear want to go to the SEC badly) didn't put their foot down to Boren and tell him we don't want to go to the Pac12 or Big 10 etc. We need to be in the SEC right now.

Joe C and OU are always talking about enhancing the fan experience at game days. The best thing they could do would be to just go to the SEC and the home game schedule alone would be all the enhancing they need to do.
 
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I wish we were in the sec. Competition is competition no matter what conference. Oklahoma would benefit by joining the big 12. Better facilities and big time football atmosphere. Borden blew it by letting Texas pull the strings for their own benefit. Texas can have the big 12, I dislike being in the big 12. Screw Texas, they put A&M down for the move. the arrogance from Texas toward SEC is pure jealousy and they would never admit it. Watch a game at Kyle field and compare it to DKR. But they're still big bad Texas.
I enjoyed the high scoring big 12 for a while. I like it now about as much as arena football. Play with the big boys if you want to be a big boy.
 
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That is exactly what I'm trying to say. We need the SEC as soon as we can go. Boren screwed the entire fanbase by not going when we had the chance. Now with the GOR we won't be able to go what for another 8 years or something like that? The Big 12 is kinda like a lot of OU fans playing the violin while the titanic sinks. The SEC would save our program for years to come and I can't comprehend why our big money people (many that I hear want to go to the SEC badly) didn't put their foot down to Boren and tell him we don't want to go to the Pac12 or Big 10 etc. We need to be in the SEC right now.

I think that ship may have sailed, but if OU is the least bit interested, it should let it be known ASAP.
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