Is it just me?

[brianpoe]

or have we had about 5-6 brand new posters all over the top positive for this staff and AD lately?


Full disclosure - My stance the last 2 years has been that this is his year, I even defended CMS last year. (I've wanted MB gone since 2005 but...anyway)

Bowl game was mandatory this year.

After the awful start and the perceived improvements on the defensive side I have even given in to 5 wins and being competitive with UGA and UT.

Which is such a loser sorry *** mentality in year 4 but no sense going crazy because our AD will do it anyway.


So, I'm not for firing anyone today, I'm also not close to @merrimanm who was telling Custer he still had a chance as they were scalping his forehead..

I get the ones that want a change immediately and give the next a coach something to work with and I get those still optimistic seeing the defense come around and Gran being decent.



But these new posters....? Seriously, I'm going to go on record and say that Sandy Bell, Mitch, Susan Lax, and Tony Neely have all signed up this week to Baghdad Bob everyone.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I haven't really noticed those types if they are here.

Yes, 5 wins is the new 6 here at UK in 2016 evidently. I'm still holding out hope for 6, but then I tell myself I'm crazy for doing so.

 

[Mike-D]

I agree.

Can't you see that we are improving? We beat South Carolina by 7, and covered against Bama. All Stoops needs is another year. It's that simple. Southern Miss game? Throw that fluke out the window. Florida game? The Swamp effect.

The excuses are part of the reason this program is in it's current situation. We're always showing improvement, or we're only a year away.

The fact of the matter is this: We were setup to go to a bowl this year. All Stoops had to do was win 6 in year 4. Does anyone really have faith that we win 3 of the next 4 to do that? Vandy, Miss St, Mizzou, Georgia. That's the season. Win 3 of those. Can we? Possibly. Will we? Doubtful.

 

[ZakkW]

It happens every year. "New" posters pumping Mitch B, Stoops; preaching patience, "it takes time", the boys played hard, covered the spread, blah, blah, blah. They easy to spot and deserve to get called out.

 

[GoCatsForever2k15]

I haven't noticed new posters, but I'd be "fine" with 5-7, ie, I'd be willing to wait and see one more year whether he can get over the hump. I felt that way before the season.

Barnhart is just a dud in football. I appreciate the fact he was able to land the facility upgrades and what he's done for the Olympic sports, but I'd trade it in a heartbeat for a guy who could produce a winning football team.

 

[buckkiller]

Yeah plus on MJ post game! They call in and make me want to puke all over the place. The CMS lovers make me gag myself!! It sucks listening to the.. Then MJ the other day said all he wants is a football team that wins 6 continually says that is our ceiling as a program! I hate that ****! If we had Petrino we would all ready be East contenders last year and this year. It woukd come down to UT game IMO this year who takes east if he was our coach. I want UL to make playoffs so all the Petrino haters that didnt want him can woller in misery and feel like ****. Stooos isnt doing **** its year 4!! 3 years unde Petrino they are fighting for playoffs!! CMS AND MITCH BUTT LICKERS MAKE ME JUST DISGUSTED CAUSE OF THEIR LOVE FOR SUCKREOCRITY!!

 

[CB3UK]

The problem with our fans is we set (albeit mediocre but arguably realistic) preseason expectations. When things don't go as we predicted we have a huge segment that looks at why things went awry and then use that new info to adjust their expectations and rationalize them as acceptable.

A bowl game was mandatory for progress to be shown in year 4. To me, it still is, period. Pantywasting and waffling on our expectetions will get us nowhere.

 

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

or have we had about 5-6 brand new posters all over the top positive for this staff and AD lately?


Full disclosure - My stance the last 2 years has been that this is his year, I even defended CMS last year. (I've wanted MB gone since 2005 but...anyway)

Bowl game was mandatory this year.

After the awful start and the perceived improvements on the defensive side I have even given in to 5 wins and being competitive with UGA and UT.

Which is such a loser sorry *** mentality in year 4 but no sense going crazy because our AD will do it anyway.


So, I'm not for firing anyone today, I'm also not close to @merrimanm who was telling Custard he still had a chance as they were scalping his forehead..

I get the ones that want a change immediately and give the next a coach something to work with and I get those still optimistic seeing the defense come around and Gran being decent.



But these new posters....? Seriously, I'm going to go on record and say that Sandy Bell, Mitch, Susan Lax, and Tony Neely have all signed up this week to Baghdad Bob everyone.

Athletic departments around the nation now have people on staff that patrol message boards and the like who try to control and spin the message. Barnhart has a loser's mentality, but he's not a complete fool, he controls the PR machine as well as any AD I've ever seen. He knows how blindly loyal we are and he continues to use it against us selling it to us as being "supportive" of the program, pointing to "next year", "recruiting rankings", the SEC is "too tough"..all of the usual cliches that we gobble up.

All he has to do as an AD is distract us and deflect until big blue madness starts..at that point he's in the clear for another year at the very least.

Two weeks ago we all wanted him gone, now we hardly mention his name. Every week we get closer to bball the seat gets cooler for him. It'll be the same thing year after year until he decides to step down or go on a mission trip in 2040.

 

[Katwatcher]

The problem with our fans is we set (albeit mediocre but arguably realistic) preseason expectations. When things don't go as we predicted we have a huge segment that looks at why things went awry and then use that new info to adjust their expectations and rationalize them as acceptable.

A bowl game was mandatory for progress to be shown in year 4. To me, it still is, period. Pantywasting and waffling on our expectetions will get us nowhere.

I agree with your first paragraph. We have some fans who have unrealistic expectations. Going to bowl game doesn't necessarily have to happen to show improvement. There is several things that can go awry during the season that would keep us from going bowling. Injuries, bad breaks, etc are always in the picture.

I see improvement every game, which is what you want to see. Expectations based solely on whether you go to bowl game is nonsense.

Just using our past record should be enough to convince you that 4 years is not enough time for coach. If everyone was supporting the team and staff instead of the same ole criticizing and whining about wanting to fire whole staff it might make for more wins quicker.

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

 

[CB3UK]

I agree with your first paragraph. We have some fans who have unrealistic expectations. Going to bowl game doesn't necessarily have to happen to show improvement. There is several things that can go awry during the season that would keep us from going bowling. Injuries, bad breaks, etc are always in the picture.

I see improvement every game, which is what you want to see. Expectations based solely on whether you go to bowl game is nonsense.

Just using our past record should be enough to convince you that 4 years is not enough time for coach. If everyone was supporting the team and staff instead of the same ole criticizing and whining about wanting to fire whole staff it might make for more wins quicker.

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

Why was James Franklin able to win 6 his first year at Vandy with inferior players and then 9 each of the next two seasons? Or Charlie Strong taking over Kragthorpe's mess winning 7 each of his first two seasons and then winning 11 and 12 the next two?

It doesnt take 8-10 years. It simply doesn't. A coach who can win wins the games hes suspposed to and even pulls off a surprise or two early. He doesnt lose in year 4 to Southern Miss in the first game of the season. By year 4 quality depth should mostly be taken care of.

 

[rick64]

When you continue to lower your standards you get what you get.

 

[TTU/UK fan]

I just find it great the same people who say "a win is a win" wont accept that a loss is a loss. We lost by 4 TDs and some people are happy. Yes its Bama but WKU lost by just as much. I was proud of how our players flught at first. But theres countless cases where a bad team kept up with a great team at first. Happens all the time.

I love UK with a passion and I love college football just as much. Its pathetic we college football fans have to put up with the fans who could care less if we just got 6 wins every year for the rest of their lives. I want a team who can compete with any and everyone. I want a team who can win an SEC East title. Its not bad to want better for my team. This team cant beat the CUSA yet in year 4. Mitch is a sorry a$$ AD I dont care what anyone says. He could care less if Stoops never gets past 5 wins. As long as Stoops gets a bowl once every 3 or 4 years he is golden.

 

[Anon1660081258]

I might sound like an apologist for staff and program, but my position on retaining Coach Stoops at the end of the season remains undetermined. Still, unlike a lot of you, I still have some confidence that this season can yield promise for the future, and perhaps even some minor laurels. I am not convinced our HC is a stooge. He seems to be figuring out he can't continue to delegate to stooges.

 

[Katwatcher]

Why was James Franklin able to win 6 his first year at Vandy with inferior players and then 9 each of the next two seasons? Or Charlie Strong taking over Kragthorpe's mess winning 7 each of his first two seasons and then winning 11 and 12 the next two?

It doesnt take 8-10 years. It simply doesn't. A coach who can win wins the games hes suspposed to and even pulls off a surprise or two early. He doesnt lose in year 4 to Southern Miss in the first game of the season. By year 4 quality depth should mostly be taken care of.

I agree Franklin did good job at Vandy, but I don't agree he had inferior players. I think he took over with a good roster in place and like I said has shown he can coach. You are attaching tags like "winning games that you are supposed to''
on their schedule. That is just opinion.

Franklin is gone now so we don't know if he could sustain that pace or not.

I just don't support the practice of bringing in a new coach and expect a bowl invite in 4 years or he's fired. It just doesn't work that way for UK. It hasn't in 60 years. Go Cats

 

[rock264]

or have we had about 5-6 brand new posters all over the top positive for this staff and AD lately?


Full disclosure - My stance the last 2 years has been that this is his year, I even defended CMS last year. (I've wanted MB gone since 2005 but...anyway)

Bowl game was mandatory this year.

After the awful start and the perceived improvements on the defensive side I have even given in to 5 wins and being competitive with UGA and UT.

Which is such a loser sorry *** mentality in year 4 but no sense going crazy because our AD will do it anyway.


So, I'm not for firing anyone today, I'm also not close to @merrimanm who was telling Custard he still had a chance as they were scalping his forehead..

I get the ones that want a change immediately and give the next a coach something to work with and I get those still optimistic seeing the defense come around and Gran being decent.



But these new posters....? Seriously, I'm going to go on record and say that Sandy Bell, Mitch, Susan Lax, and Tony Neely have all signed up this week to Baghdad Bob everyone.

Caution - pumpers crossing

 

[CB3UK]

I just don't support the practice of bringing in a new coach and expect a bowl invite in 4 years. It just doesn't work that way for UK. It hasn't in 60 years. Go Cats

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I'm not sure why you feel the other 127 FBS schools can manage it but Kentucky can't. And no offense, I dont care what hasn't worked for 60 years. Thinking outside the box, raising hell with administration, and significantly upgrading expectations with the fans are what its going to take for it to not be another 60; not this apathetic "we havent done it before and it cant be done that way" mentality that still seems to be so pervasive amongst our fans.

 

[Bluetick2100]

All the new posters will be gone as soon as BB starts.
If you really want to find out who the loyal FB fans here are wait until after the last game this season.

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

Meanwhile in the REAL world:

Boss: You have been employed here for 4 years, and in that time you have failed at every major project, and have produced very little of merit, and we pay you 3.6 Million a year.

Employee: Clearly, you're one of those microwave bosses that want instant gratification. I think you're going to need to give me, at least 8 years to see me produce reasonably adequate work.

Boss: Clean out your desk . Now!

 

[brianpoe]

Corrected:

Boss: You have been employed here for 4 years, and in that time you have failed at every major project, and have produced very little of merit, and we pay you 3.6 Million a year.

Employee: Clearly, you're one of those microwave bosses that want instant gratification. I think you're going to need to give me, at least 8 years to see me produce reasonably adequate work.

Mitch Barnhart: You are correct, another $12M extension. Now!

 

[BlueRunner11]

UK should be able to make a bowl game most years...we schedule 3 cupcake automatic wins (well not for Stoops) for goodness sakes. That leaves nine games to win 3. Pathetic that the bar is being lowered from even that these days.

 

[Katwatcher]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I'm not sure why you feel the other 127 FBS schools can manage it but Kentucky can't. And no offense, I dont care what hasn't worked for 60 years. Thinking outside the box, raising hell with administration, and significantly upgrading expectations with the fans are what its going to take for it to not be another 60; not this apathetic "we havent done it before and it cant be done that way" mentality that still seems to be so pervasive amongst our fans.

I will give you my opinion why 127 other schools can manage but UK can't.

First of all, Kentucky is a traditional basketball school playing in a traditional football conference. Most of the schools used the basketball season for keeping their football players in condition. Kentucky has fewer high schools that play football than any other conference members.

At one time The UK board put a limit of only 6 out of state scholarships would be allowed. These negatives made it very tough for UK to compete. Rich Brooks was almost let go after year 3 of his tenure.

So what I'm saying, there is a vicious cycle of not giving the coaches time to hire their assistants and establish their program. Seems we are ALWAYS paying a coach to coach and another one to just watch and its beef going on for 60 years. It looks like we could give Stoops 4 more years and see what the results will be. And I agree to disagree.
Thanks for replying to my post

 

[brianpoe]

I will give you my opinion why 127 other schools can manage but UK can't.

First of all, Kentucky is a traditional basketball school playing in a traditional football conference. Most of the schools used the basketball season for keeping their football players in condition. Kentucky has fewer high schools that play football than any other conference members.

At one time The UK board put a limit of only 6 out of state scholarships would be allowed. These negatives made it very tough for UK to compete. Rich Brooks was almost let go after year 3 of his tenure.

So what I'm saying, there is a vicious cycle of not giving the coaches time to hire their assistants and establish their program. Seems we are ALWAYS paying a coach to coach and another one to just watch and its beef going on for 60 years. It looks like we could give Stoops 4 more years and see what the results will be. And I agree to disagree.
Thanks for replying to my post

With all due respect to my friend @Katwatcher some clarity is necessary here.

The UK board never instituted the out of state recruiting rules.

These were issued by Bear Bryant himself immediately following the 1952 Cotton Bowl.

Some say this restriction was supported if not even coerced by then UK President Donavan with the hope Rupp would do the same due to the point shaving stigma still surrounding the program.

Bryant left 2 years later and Blanton Collier stopped the policy in 1954.

Of course losing Hornung in 1953 was the killer with this policy as Bear had said he could not miss on any big instate talent.

And Collier did blame the policy for his lackluster career at UK even though he went 7-2 his first year (which was his best, but no bowl games).

1954 cannot be an excuse for CMS.


Brooks had a proven track record and even then he was no Woody Hayes, the celebration of mediocrity and losing conference seasons is sad.

Should he have had 3 terrible seasons following Guy Morriss 7-5 season (should have been 8-4, Quentus Freaking Cumby...)?

But he did do well his 4th year. Look at that 4th season up until now and look at this one?

Through 5 games:

Lost at #13 Louisville

Destroyed the cupcake Texas State 41-7

Thumped Ole Miss 31-14

Lost at #5 Florida 26-7

Beat Central Michigan 45-36
(coached by Brian Kelly 10-4/7-1 in conference that year)


Where is the CUSA team that beat us at home?

Where is the Sun Belt team we gave up over 500 yards to?

Defeated but didnt lay down to a much, much better Gator team in 2006.


We had Andre Woodson playing at QB.
Had Wesley Woodyard and Trevard Lindley on defense.

The team had a solid foundation. In fact, that 4th year 2006 team would beat this year's squad by 3 touchdowns.



But let's just wait it out until all the good players are gone and recruiting is nonexistent and wonder why another coaching staff cant make it happen when starting with nothing...


Meanwhile... Jurich fires both Cooper and Kragthorpe after 3 seasons, not 4, and yet they seem to have recovered from the coaching carousel and are also located in KY.

 

[sluggercatfan]

I agree.

Can't you see that we are improving? We beat South Carolina by 7, and covered against Bama. All Stoops needs is another year. It's that simple. Southern Miss game? Throw that fluke out the window. Florida game? The Swamp effect.

The excuses are part of the reason this program is in it's current situation. We're always showing improvement, or we're only a year away.

The fact of the matter is this: We were setup to go to a bowl this year. All Stoops had to do was win 6 in year 4. Does anyone really have faith that we win 3 of the next 4 to do that? Vandy, Miss St, Mizzou, Georgia. That's the season. Win 3 of those. Can we? Possibly. Will we? Doubtful.

Have the hope, but certainly not the faith... I was there and last night's game was such fool’s gold it isn't funny...look at the stats and the final score

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

Why was James Franklin able to win 6 his first year at Vandy with inferior players and then 9 each of the next two seasons? Or Charlie Strong taking over Kragthorpe's mess winning 7 each of his first two seasons and then winning 11 and 12 the next two?

It doesnt take 8-10 years. It simply doesn't. A coach who can win wins the games hes suspposed to and even pulls off a surprise or two early. He doesnt lose in year 4 to Southern Miss in the first game of the season. By year 4 quality depth should mostly be taken care of.

Perhaps Mr. Franklin had an easier schedule and Mr. Strong coached in a conference so easy it was embarrassing. Kindly check out Mr. Strong's success rate at Texas in his fourth year where he promised to "run down everyone."

 

[ukalum1988]

or have we had about 5-6 brand new posters all over the top positive for this staff and AD lately?


Full disclosure - My stance the last 2 years has been that this is his year, I even defended CMS last year. (I've wanted MB gone since 2005 but...anyway)

Bowl game was mandatory this year.

After the awful start and the perceived improvements on the defensive side I have even given in to 5 wins and being competitive with UGA and UT.

Which is such a loser sorry *** mentality in year 4 but no sense going crazy because our AD will do it anyway.


So, I'm not for firing anyone today, I'm also not close to @merrimanm who was telling Custard he still had a chance as they were scalping his forehead..

I get the ones that want a change immediately and give the next a coach something to work with and I get those still optimistic seeing the defense come around and Gran being decent.



But these new posters....? Seriously, I'm going to go on record and say that Sandy Bell, Mitch, Susan Lax, and Tony Neely have all signed up this week to Baghdad Bob everyone.

I certainly don't think you were directing your last statement at me, but I think I made my point with my Baghdad Bob avatar. I'll temporarily retire it for now, and bring it out during the next debacle.

BTW, it was Custer not Custard, but I could tell you were on a roll....

 

[Tskware]

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

So why didn't we give Joker five or six more years?

 

[rye48]

I agree with your first paragraph. We have some fans who have unrealistic expectations. Going to bowl game doesn't necessarily have to happen to show improvement. There is several things that can go awry during the season that would keep us from going bowling. Injuries, bad breaks, etc are always in the picture.

I see improvement every game, which is what you want to see. Expectations based solely on whether you go to bowl game is nonsense.

Just using our past record should be enough to convince you that 4 years is not enough time for coach. If everyone was supporting the team and staff instead of the same ole criticizing and whining about wanting to fire whole staff it might make for more wins quicker.

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

DING< DING<DING

 

[CB3UK]

Perhaps Mr. Franklin had an easier schedule and Mr. Strong coached in a conference so easy it was embarrassing. Kindly check out Mr. Strong's success rate at Texas in his fourth year where he promised to "run down everyone."

Vanderbilt plays the same schedule we do as well as OOC caliber of opponent. Their West permanent is Ole Miss, ours is Mississippi State. In 2011-13 Ole Miss was not great. We could nickel and dime over the home and away portions or what other West teams they rotated into v us during that time frame but the bottom line is he took advantage of an extremely weak East, as did Pinkel and Missouri, and we did not.

As for Louisville and Strong v Kragthorpe, how is their conference affiliation at the time germane to the issue at hand? Kragthorpe and Strong played the same opponents yet one was competent enough to win and one wasn't. That does nothing to disprove my point.

 

[Blueaz]

I agree with your first paragraph. We have some fans who have unrealistic expectations. Going to bowl game doesn't necessarily have to happen to show improvement. There is several things that can go awry during the season that would keep us from going bowling. Injuries, bad breaks, etc are always in the picture.

I see improvement every game, which is what you want to see. Expectations based solely on whether you go to bowl game is nonsense.

Just using our past record should be enough to convince you that 4 years is not enough time for coach. If everyone was supporting the team and staff instead of the same ole criticizing and whining about wanting to fire whole staff it might make for more wins quicker.

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

8-10 years ...I love your sarcasm...go get 'em

 

[SmokinGun9]

Yeah plus on MJ post game! They call in and make me want to puke all over the place. The CMS lovers make me gag myself!! It sucks listening to the.. Then MJ the other day said all he wants is a football team that wins 6 continually says that is our ceiling as a program! I hate that ****! If we had Petrino we would all ready be East contenders last year and this year. It woukd come down to UT game IMO this year who takes east if he was our coach. I want UL to make playoffs so all the Petrino haters that didnt want him can woller in misery and feel like ****. Stooos isnt doing **** its year 4!! 3 years unde Petrino they are fighting for playoffs!! CMS AND MITCH BUTT LICKERS MAKE ME JUST DISGUSTED CAUSE OF THEIR LOVE FOR SUCKREOCRITY!!

Dude, you gotta be great at parties. I think you should channel your inner Cardinal and make the drive down 64 and watch them play. You seem to secretly love everything they do. If we had Petrino, how do you know you wouldnt get the Bobby Petrino that coached the Falcons? Why worry about what you don't have?

 

[buckkiller]

I just find it great the same people who say "a win is a win" wont accept that a loss is a loss. We lost by 4 TDs and some people are happy. Yes its Bama but WKU lost by just as much. I was proud of how our players flught at first. But theres countless cases where a bad team kept up with a great team at first. Happens all the time.

I love UK with a passion and I love college football just as much. Its pathetic we college football fans have to put up with the fans who could care less if we just got 6 wins every year for the rest of their lives. I want a team who can compete with any and everyone. I want a team who can win an SEC East title. Its not bad to want better for my team. This team cant beat the CUSA yet in year 4. Mitch is a sorry a$$ AD I dont care what anyone says. He could care less if Stoops never gets past 5 wins. As long as Stoops gets a bowl once every 3 or 4 years he is golden.

Yup Matt Jonrs says HOOAH WATS UP DAWGS 6 WINS YEAR IN YEAR OUT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME! WHAT A PANSY!!

 

[dallasg23]

shutzhund is the biggest culprit. Haven't seen him post all season until last night. This dude is a clown. Pretty sure his name is Mitch.

 

[morgousky]

I agree with your first paragraph. We have some fans who have unrealistic expectations. Going to bowl game doesn't necessarily have to happen to show improvement. There is several things that can go awry during the season that would keep us from going bowling. Injuries, bad breaks, etc are always in the picture.

I see improvement every game, which is what you want to see. Expectations based solely on whether you go to bowl game is nonsense.

Just using our past record should be enough to convince you that 4 years is not enough time for coach. If everyone was supporting the team and staff instead of the same ole criticizing and whining about wanting to fire whole staff it might make for more wins quicker.

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

If it weren't for the fans bitching you'd still have joker Phillips on that sideline sucking the life out of this program.

Mitch Barnhart is terrible. The worst thing that's ever happened to uk in the modern era. He stalls, plays tight for the pres, sinks athletic funds away from sports, doesn't give two ***** about producing at a high level. Louisville is catching uk and doesn't give a damn about their rep. And it's not hurting them a bit.

If uk doesn't straighten up and get people like Barnhart and his minions like Bell away from these programs you will be singing this same exact post in 10 years, like you have the previous 10.

For those of you, all 4, that continue to post this loser mentality nonsense, are you ever thinking to yourself how tired you are of excuse making? Don't you just want to say to hell with it and demand uk compete for real accomplishments instead of fishing for 5 wins and a crap bowl the next year?

 

[morgousky]

DING< DING<DING

Damn. You support loser mentality post and loser politicians.

Maybe she can get those Goldman Sacs bankers to buy us a football team.

 

[ukalumni00]

Expected 6-7 wins preseason. That is a mediocre expectation in year 4. It's not asking for much. KY football fans do not ask for a whole lot.

This team completely crapped the bed the first two games. Zero excuse. None. Stoops and Mitch deserved every ounce of criticism they got (minus the ridiculous rumor deal).

The next 3 games are going to tell us a lot about this program and where it is at.

 

[Katwatcher]

If it weren't for the fans bitching you'd still have joker Phillips on that sideline sucking the life out of this program.

Mitch Barnhart is terrible. The worst thing that's ever happened to uk in the modern era. He stalls, plays tight for the pres, sinks athletic funds away from sports, doesn't give two ***** about producing at a high level. Louisville is catching uk and doesn't give a damn about their rep. And it's not hurting them a bit.

If uk doesn't straighten up and get people like Barnhart and his minions like Bell away from these programs you will be singing this same exact post in 10 years, like you have the previous 10.

For those of you, all 4, that continue to post this loser mentality nonsense, are you ever thinking to yourself how tired you are of excuse making? Don't you just want to say to hell with it and demand uk compete for real accomplishments instead of fishing for 5 wins and a crap bowl the next year?

Several of your comments cannot be verified. How do you know what Jokers record would be if he was still on the sidelines. I know what you would say, but you don't really know.

Mitch may have done some of those things you mention, but he has not missed a tackle, nor dropped a pass. I don't like to see UK lose either, but if you are going to play in the SEC and compete you can't hire a new coach every time he loses to someone you think he should beat or maybe you can. That is what we have been doing for the last 60 years.

I'm not disagreeing that changes need to be made, just not the knee jerking kind. Your comment about how Louisville is catching up and doesn't care about their rep.is contradictory by saying it doesn't hurt them. If you read these threads every day you will see how bad they are talked about. They may not care, but it hurts their program. Go Cats

 

[morgousky]

Several of your comments cannot be verified. How do you know what Jokers record would be if he was still on the sidelines. I know what you would say, but you don't really know.

Mitch may have done some of those things you mention, but he has not missed a tackle, nor dropped a pass. I don't like to see UK lose either, but if you are going to play in the SEC and compete you can't hire a new coach every time he loses to someone you think he should beat or maybe you can. That is what we have been doing for the last 60 years.

I'm not disagreeing that changes need to be made, just not the knee jerking kind. Your comment about how Louisville is catching up and doesn't care about their rep.is contradictory by saying it doesn't hurt them. If you read these threads every day you will see how bad they are talked about. They may not care, but it hurts their program. Go Cats

No, none of this is hurting their program. You might want to write a letter to Petrino's recruits and their parents explaining how he lacks the moral foundation to coach up their young kids. They seem to currently be missing the position. If you didn't notice, Louisville is currently in position to be in a national championship playoff, and Petrino hasn't even started yet. Quit spreading a falsehood that its hurting them. They were just accepted into the ACC, won a title that in basketball that won't be erased, and their football program is slapping us in the mouth.

You guys have got to stop talking about the past. Kentucky has NEVER been in the current position they are in. We make more revenue in 5 years than we used to in 15. I'm going to keep repeating this. You need to research the insane contracts with ESPN and the SEC networks / Nike. Had we those kinds of recourses years ago, it would have been different. UK is sucking the financial revenue from those deals and the popularity that our fan base pours into Nike and ticket sales, and doing squat with it. College athletics are turning into an absolute monopoly and 15% of our fan base is getting completely rolled in believing theres a correlation between the past and the present.

You apologist arent fully to blame. You are battered. You have bought into Barnhart propaganda and would rather argue from a losing position than admit we need real change, no excuses, and a demand that our administration stop settling.

 

[Katwatcher]

Question for brianpoe. In your post concerning the reduction of out of state scholarships to six. You say it was never instituted by UK board If not why did Collier stop the policy in 1954. If it was never instituted how did Collier stop it? just curious.

 

[morgousky]

Question for brianpoe. In your post concerning the reduction of out of state scholarships to six. You say it was never instituted by UK board If not why did Collier stop the policy in 1954. If it was never instituted how did Collier stop it? just curious.

Since you ignored my other post, because frankly theres no debating it, answer me this.

I remember you well. You supported a failed coach in basketball, and wanted to extend Tubby Smith. a decade, and Uk's longest drought without a final four. You supported Joker Phillips until the end. You're doing it again with the current failure, Stoops

At what point do you just admit you've got a "do nothing" type personality and arent concerned with winning at the highest level, you just support status quo's?

 

[Katwatcher]

No, none of this is hurting their program. You might want to write a letter to Petrino's recruits and their parents explaining how he lacks the moral foundation to coach up their young kids. They seem to currently be missing the position. If you didn't notice, Louisville is currently in position to be in a national championship playoff, and Petrino hasn't even started yet. Quit spreading a falsehood that its hurting them. They were just accepted into the ACC, won a title that in basketball that won't be erased, and their football program is slapping us in the mouth.

You guys have got to stop talking about the past. Kentucky has NEVER been in the current position they are in. We make more revenue in 5 years than we used to in 15. I'm going to keep repeating this. You need to research the insane contracts with ESPN and the SEC networks / Nike. Had we those kinds of recourses years ago, it would have been different. UK is sucking the financial revenue from those deals and the popularity that our fan base pours into Nike and ticket sales, and doing squat with it. College athletics are turning into an absolute monopoly and 15% of our fan base is getting completely rolled in believing theres a correlation between the past and the present.

You apologist arent fully to blame. You are battered. You have bought into Barnhart propaganda and would rather argue from a losing position than admit we need real change, no excuses, and a demand that our administration stop settling.

If Petrino's recruits and parents doesn't know what Petrino's baggage consists of I can't help them. Its a little early to say that Louisville Basketball Title won't be erased. When the NCAA gets through with them, they might not have a program or AD either. And you say none of this is hurting their program. Good night:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: