Is it just me?

[morgousky]

If Petrino's recruits and parents doesn't know what Petrino's baggage consists of I can't help them. Its a little early to say that Louisville Basketball Title won't be erased. When the NCAA gets through with them, they might not have a program or AD either. And you say none of this is hurting their program. Good night:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

No, they know, they just don't care. This is minor league sports, not typical college kids or family. it's a business decision today, and they don't care what kind of person you are. Are you known for polishing aspiring athletes? Are you good at managing aspiring athletes? Do you win and promote? If they answer is yes, these families couldn't care less about the things Barnhart is concerned about.

Louisville isn't losing that title. The NCAA has become useless, the money in college athletics rules the day. Cheating goes largely unnoticed regardless as long as you're a major contributor.

Some of you must be really old and not understand the current climate.

 

[thepip]

I agree with your first paragraph. We have some fans who have unrealistic expectations. Going to bowl game doesn't necessarily have to happen to show improvement. There is several things that can go awry during the season that would keep us from going bowling. Injuries, bad breaks, etc are always in the picture.

I see improvement every game, which is what you want to see. Expectations based solely on whether you go to bowl game is nonsense.

Just using our past record should be enough to convince you that 4 years is not enough time for coach. If everyone was supporting the team and staff instead of the same ole criticizing and whining about wanting to fire whole staff it might make for more wins quicker.

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

Have you been outside your door in the past couple of years? If you would dare go out and talk to any random guys/gals then you would see that 90% of the "same ole" are all in one accord==FIRE STOOPS!

IMO (along with 90% of the fan base) believe that your posts are either a troll point to elicit an angry response or ignorance that has gone to seed and taking root.

 

[ukalum1988]

If Petrino's recruits and parents doesn't know what Petrino's baggage consists of I can't help them. Its a little early to say that Louisville Basketball Title won't be erased. When the NCAA gets through with them, they might not have a program or AD either. And you say none of this is hurting their program. Good night:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

The NCAA is much more concerned with pursuing its social justice PC agenda than it is about maintaining standards of fair play between and among its member schools. Louisville's self-imposed penalties will probably be the end of it.

 

[BigBlueTuckian]

I think folks generally like Stoops. He says the right things, recruits his behind off, cares deeply about making UK a winner, and knows what he's talking about.

Given the situation he had when he came in, a bowl game by 2016 was a must. Brooks got there in his 4th year, and Brooks had to deal with the effects of probation. I know Joker didn't leave much talent, but he left just enough that a new coach can be making a bowl game by year 4.

The OC carousel, the lack of development of defensive linemen, and the lack of SEC-quality depth in the Front 7 is all on Stoops. Joker cannot be blamed for any of that in year 4. Also whatever the heck Eliot is doing on D, falls completely on Stoops.

If Stoops doesn't bowl in 2016 I'm not sure what will calm down the masses. A 6-6 record in 2017 won't suffice IMO. Same thing with a Music City, BBVA Compass, or Independence Bowl appearance.

 

[mhroe1984]

Why was James Franklin able to win 6 his first year at Vandy with inferior players and then 9 each of the next two seasons? Or Charlie Strong taking over Kragthorpe's mess winning 7 each of his first two seasons and then winning 11 and 12 the next two?

It doesnt take 8-10 years. It simply doesn't. A coach who can win wins the games hes suspposed to and even pulls off a surprise or two early. He doesnt lose in year 4 to Southern Miss in the first game of the season. By year 4 quality depth should mostly be taken care of.

Post of the year! It's coaching plain and simple. Stoops teams have looked completely inept in every facet of the game up to this point, and the Southern Miss loss was an utter embarrassment and has likely derailed this entire season. We need to go 3-1 in these next four games to have any chance of making a bowl game but these coaches have shown nothing to make me believe that it will happen. I hope like hell it does and I'll be cheering for the wins, but right now I'm still the pessimistic UK football fan.

 

[Tskware]

Given the situation he had when he came in, a bowl game by 2016 was a must. Brooks got there in his 4th year, and Brooks had to deal with the effects of probation. I know Joker didn't leave much talent, but he left just enough that a new coach can be making a bowl game by year 4.

Joker left Bud Dupree and Avery Williamson on defense, which are better than any two players we have right now on defense (but Jordan Jones is on his way to becoming really good, IMO)

 

[brianpoe]

Question for brianpoe. In your post concerning the reduction of out of state scholarships to six. You say it was never instituted by UK board If not why did Collier stop the policy in 1954. If it was never instituted how did Collier stop it? just curious.

Here is an old article about it:

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mark-story/article44045568.html

 

[BARRYBLUE1]

All the James Franklin fans can go with him to the unemployment line, after this year.
He only has a little better than .500
record since he has been at PSU.

 

[morgousky]

Anyone blaming Joker by now is about like blaming bush 8 years later for high unemployment and a doubling of the national debt. No matter which side your on, the current climate for uk football is unacceptable.

People Act like its the old way of the 60's where it takes a coach 4 years minimum to build a decent team. Good coaches do this in two, hell sometimes less.

The fact that Joker was here in the first place is squarely Meetches fault. I don't blame joker for taking a job he probably knew he wasn't going to be able to do.

U.K. Fans waiting on year 5, in this day and time, for a coach to have us competitive in the east is hog ***. We've got overwhelming resources to demand a winning product competing for east titles now, not the 80's system of "give it a half decade".

Wake up, or you'll be singing the same tune in 30 years.

 

[brianpoe]

All the James Franklin fans can go with him to the unemployment line, after this year.
He only has a little better than .500
record since he has been at PSU.

Have you kept up with PSU since he has been there? I admit I really haven't.

I know they had schollies reduced and some reinstated but not sure what the issues are now.

He went to a bowl in year one and had a 7-5 year last season before getting beat by UGA in a bowl.

Last year he was upset by Temple, which was a pretty good team for some reason, then lost to #1, #5, #12, and #21 which, by our standards would be good.

He's lost to Pitt this year which is never good and a #4 ranked Michigan team, so not terrible but not good enough for PSU fans.

I certainly expected him to win a few he wasnt supposed to, but that hasnt happened yet since he has been there.


Like I said, I havent kept up with them whatsoever, if anyone has insights I'd like to hear them.

 

[ukalum1988]

Here is an old article about it:

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mark-story/article44045568.html

I have a book by Cawood Ledford up in my attic; haven't read it in about 10 years, There's a chapter in his book about this topic. IIRC Cawood put the blame for this policy on the UK President Donovan. Talk about unilateral disarmament. Really sad. I just can't see this coming from the Bear without undue pressure from other sources.

 

[tluck28]

or have we had about 5-6 brand new posters all over the top positive for this staff and AD lately?


Full disclosure - My stance the last 2 years has been that this is his year, I even defended CMS last year. (I've wanted MB gone since 2005 but...anyway)

Bowl game was mandatory this year.

After the awful start and the perceived improvements on the defensive side I have even given in to 5 wins and being competitive with UGA and UT.

Which is such a loser sorry *** mentality in year 4 but no sense going crazy because our AD will do it anyway.


So, I'm not for firing anyone today, I'm also not close to @merrimanm who was telling Custer he still had a chance as they were scalping his forehead..

I get the ones that want a change immediately and give the next a coach something to work with and I get those still optimistic seeing the defense come around and Gran being decent.



But these new posters....? Seriously, I'm going to go on record and say that Sandy Bell, Mitch, Susan Lax, and Tony Neely have all signed up this week to Baghdad Bob everyone.

Any top notch program would give Stoops at least one more year to right this ship. Barnhart is a good AD and I trust in any decision that he makes. People nowadays are way too trigger happy to get rid of someone.

 

[merrimanm]

No, none of this is hurting their program. You might want to write a letter to Petrino's recruits and their parents explaining how he lacks the moral foundation to coach up their young kids. They seem to currently be missing the position. If you didn't notice, Louisville is currently in position to be in a national championship playoff, and Petrino hasn't even started yet. Quit spreading a falsehood that its hurting them. They were just accepted into the ACC, won a title that in basketball that won't be erased, and their football program is slapping us in the mouth.

You guys have got to stop talking about the past. Kentucky has NEVER been in the current position they are in. We make more revenue in 5 years than we used to in 15. I'm going to keep repeating this. You need to research the insane contracts with ESPN and the SEC networks / Nike. Had we those kinds of recourses years ago, it would have been different. UK is sucking the financial revenue from those deals and the popularity that our fan base pours into Nike and ticket sales, and doing squat with it. College athletics are turning into an absolute monopoly and 15% of our fan base is getting completely rolled in believing theres a correlation between the past and the present.

You apologist arent fully to blame. You are battered. You have bought into Barnhart propaganda and would rather argue from a losing position than admit we need real change, no excuses, and a demand that our administration stop settling.

The problem with continuing to use the sec deals and all of that is that the other schools we have been behind all these years are getting that too. So ot still isn't an advantage for us.

 

[CatsCats78]

Any top notch program would give Stoops at least one more year to right this ship. Barnhart is a good AD and I trust in any decision that he makes. People nowadays are way too trigger happy to get rid of someone.

You obviously don't follow the SEC coaching carasel very closely. I mean Gene Chizik was fired only two seasons removed from a national championship. A national championship for goodness sake. Les Miles was fired after winning 77% of his games at LSU. And yes I realize Miles had a longer tenure. The point being, in the SEC if you're not winning (or beating Saban in LSU's case), you're gunna be unemployed. Except for Kentucky, of course.

 

[willievic]

I agree with your first paragraph. We have some fans who have unrealistic expectations. Going to bowl game doesn't necessarily have to happen to show improvement. There is several things that can go awry during the season that would keep us from going bowling. Injuries, bad breaks, etc are always in the picture.

I see improvement every game, which is what you want to see. Expectations based solely on whether you go to bowl game is nonsense.

Just using our past record should be enough to convince you that 4 years is not enough time for coach. If everyone was supporting the team and staff instead of the same ole criticizing and whining about wanting to fire whole staff it might make for more wins quicker.

Its going to take 8-10 years for any coach to build this program into a consistent competitor.

Bad mouthing the players and staff just delays progress.

Katwatcher, that's BS that it's going to take 8-10 years to build UK into a consistent competitor. There are several coaches who would build it into a winner in 4 years. I don't care for Petrino, but he is one of them.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[brianpoe]

Any top notch program would give Stoops at least one more year to right this ship. Barnhart is a good AD and I trust in any decision that he makes. People nowadays are way too trigger happy to get rid of someone.

I respectfully disagree.

Louisville fires coaches after 3 years with more wins than CMS has at 4 years.

I think MB is terrible and have thought that for longer than anyone here, but I have my own reasons.

I hope CMS turns it around THIS season.

If not, I'd like to give a new staff the returning players and not waste them.

Why start from disaster? Besides it will be easier to get a coach with a better team returning than not.


All that said, I think I smell a hint of sarcasm in your post but you are new so i cant say for sure....

 

[tluck28]

I respectfully disagree.

Louisville fires coaches after 3 years with more wins than CMS has at 4 years.

I think MB is terrible and have thought that for longer than anyone here, but I have my own reasons.

I hope CMS turns it around THIS season.

If not, I'd like to give a new staff the returning players and not waste them.

Why start from disaster? Besides it will be easier to get a coach with a better team returning than not.


All that said, I think I smell a hint of sarcasm in your post but you are new so i cant say for sure....

I see your point.

 

[BBBLazing]

If it weren't for the fans bitching you'd still have joker Phillips on that sideline sucking the life out of this program.

Mitch Barnhart is terrible. The worst thing that's ever happened to uk in the modern era. He stalls, plays tight for the pres, sinks athletic funds away from sports, doesn't give two ***** about producing at a high level. Louisville is catching uk and doesn't give a damn about their rep. And it's not hurting them a bit.

If uk doesn't straighten up and get people like Barnhart and his minions like Bell away from these programs you will be singing this same exact post in 10 years, like you have the previous 10.

For those of you, all 4, that continue to post this loser mentality nonsense, are you ever thinking to yourself how tired you are of excuse making? Don't you just want to say to hell with it and demand uk compete for real accomplishments instead of fishing for 5 wins and a crap bowl the next year?

Wasn't MB the AD during the best run UK has had since the 70's? I'm talking about Brooks scheduling us to 6 wins and still winning 2 games in the SEC. But, I don't know why everyone says MB is the worst thing that has ever happened when he seems to be the most successful AD as far as football is concerned in a really long time.

 

[BBBLazing]

Have you been outside your door in the past couple of years? If you would dare go out and talk to any random guys/gals then you would see that 90% of the "same ole" are all in one accord==FIRE STOOPS!

IMO (along with 90% of the fan base) believe that your posts are either a troll point to elicit an angry response or ignorance that has gone to seed and taking root.

90% of the fan base do not want to fire Stoops. You made that up. Hell, the people on this board are the craziest of all fans and it is about even.

 

[yoshukai]

Yeah plus on MJ post game! They call in and make me want to puke all over the place. The CMS lovers make me gag myself!! It sucks listening to the.. Then MJ the other day said all he wants is a football team that wins 6 continually says that is our ceiling as a program! I hate that ****! If we had Petrino we would all ready be East contenders last year and this year. It woukd come down to UT game IMO this year who takes east if he was our coach. I want UL to make playoffs so all the Petrino haters that didnt want him can woller in misery and feel like ****. Stooos isnt doing **** its year 4!! 3 years unde Petrino they are fighting for playoffs!! CMS AND MITCH BUTT LICKERS MAKE ME JUST DISGUSTED CAUSE OF THEIR LOVE FOR SUCKREOCRITY!!

If you remember, Matt Jones was and is a huge Tubby fan also. He was completely content with being ranked in the top twenty and making the NCAA tournament.

 

[BBBLazing]

If you remember, Matt Jones was and is a huge Tubby fan also. He was completely content with being ranked in the top twenty and making the NCAA tournament.

Your two sentences don't necessarily go together. I was and am a huge Tubby fan. I watched an old interview with him and Billy Reed on KET last night. But, I was never content with being ranked in the top 20 and making the NCAA tournament. You can't assume one from the other. Your agenda doesn't just win because you declare victory.

 

[BBBLazing]

Yeah plus on MJ post game! They call in and make me want to puke all over the place. The CMS lovers make me gag myself!! It sucks listening to the.. Then MJ the other day said all he wants is a football team that wins 6 continually says that is our ceiling as a program! I hate that ****! If we had Petrino we would all ready be East contenders last year and this year. It woukd come down to UT game IMO this year who takes east if he was our coach. I want UL to make playoffs so all the Petrino haters that didnt want him can woller in misery and feel like ****. Stooos isnt doing **** its year 4!! 3 years unde Petrino they are fighting for playoffs!! CMS AND MITCH BUTT LICKERS MAKE ME JUST DISGUSTED CAUSE OF THEIR LOVE FOR SUCKREOCRITY!!

All of this makes you a Kentucky fan that I would just as soon see cheer for someone else. I wish you would just pick another team, because I am tired of defending fans like you.

 

[yoshukai]

Your two sentences don't necessarily go together. I was and am a huge Tubby fan. I watched an old interview with him and Billy Reed on KET last night. But, I was never content with being ranked in the top 20 and making the NCAA tournament. You can't assume one from the other. Your agenda doesn't just win because you declare victory.

Don't know what you're implying but I was just trying to point out that Matt doesn't always strive for excellence. Evidently he didn't realize what a juggernaut we could be in basketball and he has NO vision about how good of a football program we can be .

 

[andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK]

or have we had about 5-6 brand new posters all over the top positive for this staff and AD lately?


Full disclosure - My stance the last 2 years has been that this is his year, I even defended CMS last year. (I've wanted MB gone since 2005 but...anyway)

Bowl game was mandatory this year.

After the awful start and the perceived improvements on the defensive side I have even given in to 5 wins and being competitive with UGA and UT.

Which is such a loser sorry *** mentality in year 4 but no sense going crazy because our AD will do it anyway.


So, I'm not for firing anyone today, I'm also not close to @merrimanm who was telling Custer he still had a chance as they were scalping his forehead..

I get the ones that want a change immediately and give the next a coach something to work with and I get those still optimistic seeing the defense come around and Gran being decent.



But these new posters....? Seriously, I'm going to go on record and say that Sandy Bell, Mitch, Susan Lax, and Tony Neely have all signed up this week to Baghdad Bob everyone.

Great post. And you did defend CMS last year. But I get that you were in wait and see mode. Merriman just kills it. Wouldn't be surprised if he created all the new accounts just to feel less lonely with his stoops hysteria.

 

[brianpoe]

Great post. And you did defend CMS last year. But I get that you were in wait and see mode. Merriman just kills it. Wouldn't be surprised if he created all the new accounts just to feel less lonely with his stoops hysteria.

I have been a 4 year guy since day one. He needs to turn it around this year.

 

[ukalum1988]

But, I don't know why everyone says MB is the worst thing that has ever happened when he seems to be the most successful AD as far as football is concerned in a really long time.

THIS!!! trips off my bullsH!t detector. [pfftt]

There hasn't been a successful AD for UK FB in my lifetime - and I'm 51 and I remember well back to at least Cliff Hagen. Calling him the most successful FB AD at UK is like winning the tallest midget contest.

 

[brianpoe]

THIS!!! trips off my bullsH!t detector. [pfftt]

There hasn't been a successful AD for UK FB in my lifetime - and I'm 51 and I remember well back to at least Cliff Hagen.

The definition of "football success" for this fanbase is quite diverse...

 

[Blueaz]

Any top notch program would give Stoops at least one more year to right this ship. Barnhart is a good AD and I trust in any decision that he makes. People nowadays are way too trigger happy to get rid of someone.

How in the hell is four years "trigger happy"?

 

[JC CATS]

Why was James Franklin able to win 6 his first year at Vandy with inferior players and then 9 each of the next two seasons? Or Charlie Strong taking over Kragthorpe's mess winning 7 each of his first two seasons and then winning 11 and 12 the next two?

It doesnt take 8-10 years. It simply doesn't. A coach who can win wins the games hes suspposed to and even pulls off a surprise or two early. He doesnt lose in year 4 to Southern Miss in the first game of the season. By year 4 quality depth should mostly be taken care of.

Quality depth? Some positions doesn't have quality starters

 

[brianpoe]

Quality depth? Some positions doesn't have quality starters

Good point.

Let me ask you two questions.

If this quality depth was going to be there, like next year for us, why didnt Vandy keep their old coach and let him coach them?

If Stoops cant get it done this year, wouldn't it be nice to see a new staff have a decent foundation to work with?


(I am aware Vandy's coach resigned instead of being fired... to umm, be an oline coach...in reality his long term contract didnt get completed prior to some key losses and he was shown the door.)

 

[BBBLazing]

Don't know what you're implying but I was just trying to point out that Matt doesn't always strive for excellence. Evidently he didn't realize what a juggernaut we could be in basketball and he has NO vision about how good of a football program we can be .

If you think Matt Jones doesn't strive for excellence, you don't pay attention to his show or everything else he does. Just by liking Tubby or Mark Stoops, or for hoping for 6 wins, doesn't mean he, or the rest of us don't strive for national championships. As far as football is concerned, people that say we are giving in by asking for six wins haven't been fans long. We have to start somewhere.

 

[J. Shellacque]

Here we go. If we lose this one................
youtube.com/watch?v=QEAUJgw3YP8

 

[BBBLazing]

THIS!!! trips off my bullsH!t detector. [pfftt]

There hasn't been a successful AD for UK FB in my lifetime - and I'm 51 and I remember well back to at least Cliff Hagen. Calling him the most successful FB AD at UK is like winning the tallest midget contest.

I agree. That is why I don't understand why everyone is blaming the state of the football program on MB.

 

[51stFan]

I agree. That is why I don't understand why everyone is blaming the state of the football program on MB.

Because the man is getting paid hundreds of thousand dollars a year to make the right hire.

 

[J. Shellacque]

Keep up the good work BBB......someone may find you in the collapse that is certain to happen.

 

[kyjohn]

No matter how you cut it,if UK can't beat a Southern Miss,New Mexico St.,and win tomorrows game against Vandy and year 4 of the Stoops era with all the facility improvements they have had and supposedly better recruits,then changes have to be made.
Personally i would like to see Stoops succeed ,but he has shown little that he can.UK is horrid to watch,but as a long suffering fan i still watch anyway and suffer through each inept game after game after game.

 

[Shavers48]

Any top notch program would give Stoops at least one more year to right this ship. Barnhart is a good AD and I trust in any decision that he makes. People nowadays are way too trigger happy to get rid of someone.

nice try. you know good and well a 'top notch' program would not have hired him in the first place. a long in the tooth lifetime coordinator....please.

 

[andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK]

I have been a 4 year guy since day one. He needs to turn it around this year.

I feel that in a sense. But that vandy game last season was the moment I knew he wasn't going to get it done, that and his absolute refusal to try another QB. The 3 straight plays at the one where we ran the ball out of shotgun. Calling timeout to save 5 yards in punt. Then later in game not calling timeout to save 5 yards on FG that we all knew we would miss after the penalty. Towles throwing into triple coverage for INT in the endzone later in the game at the goal line. That showed me that coaching wise he just wasn't going to get it done the way he looked in the vandy game was the way he looked in game one. Which also proved to me the guy was just in over his head.

Also I said last season that he was the worst in game/halftime adjustment coach I had ever seen. I preached it the entire offseason. The man just doesn't know what an adjustment is. And outside of the SC game we look as bad as ever in the 2nd halfs of games. It's as if we just refuse to adjust to other teams adjustments. Never understood it. All these qualities are terrible qualities for an HC to have. Refusal to try different QB's. Worst in game/halftime adjusting ever, very poor clock and game management. Giving towles the green light to call audibles into pass plays at the goal line if he wants. He trusted towles just way too much.

 

[morgousky]

Wasn't MB the AD during the best run UK has had since the 70's? I'm talking about Brooks scheduling us to 6 wins and still winning 2 games in the SEC. But, I don't know why everyone says MB is the worst thing that has ever happened when he seems to be the most successful AD as far as football is concerned in a really long time.

Are you kidding?

No other AD has had mega million dollar SEC / NIKE / ESPN deals worth more money than the tax dollars of the entire state at their disposal. This guy is a colossal failure and Louisville, for the first time in history, is ***** slapping UK across the pond on HIS WATCH. He turned down calipari, turned down Petrino, hired gillispie, hired Phillips, and now has a disastrous hire in stoops with a buyout only an idiot would accept. He also raped baseball and kept a horrible coach in place 3 years too long. Hell, the idiot put 40 million of sports revenue into a science building, something that boggles the mind of major athletics today.

Give me a break on brooks and his 6 win season. Barnhart is terrible. If we weren't lucky and cal was still available the second time, you'd have tom crean if Barnhart had his way. If it weren't for the brass removing him from basketball Louisville would be killing us there too.

Take that crap to someone who's gonna buy it.

 

[morgousky]

THIS!!! trips off my bullsH!t detector. [pfftt]

There hasn't been a successful AD for UK FB in my lifetime - and I'm 51 and I remember well back to at least Cliff Hagen. Calling him the most successful FB AD at UK is like winning the tallest midget contest.

Did cliff hagan have multi million dollar ESPN / SEC / NIKE deals that equate to the monstrous revenue of the current day? Hell no. Not even close.

Some of you are seriously ignorant to the modern day workings and revenue of this administration, and they love you for it.

Those guys worked their *** off trying to make uk something it couldn't be in a time with scarce resources. Don't compare apples and oranges and you might see through it.