Stoops never addresses the reason we haven't seen him this year.
Anyone know why?
We need him for depth at the DE spot.
Anyone know why?
We need him for depth at the DE spot.
Is Kengera Daniel done for the year?
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Not so sure the number 1 team in the country is the game he should play in. I am sure he will get his time with the part of the schedule coming up
Still not listed on the depth chart. Stoops either has no control over the team with all these suspensions (Bell, Daniel), Meant, Hatcher, distractions (Horton, now we hear Baker stormed off the field last night); players transferring at an alarming rate and not getting developed. It's getting bad over there.
What? LOL
Why is it some posters have to attempt to slam Stoops no matter what is being discussed? Is it an attempt at humor?
I feel bad for him AND his Dad, a classy and very knowledgeable poster on here formerly (always risky for a parent to post, but enjoyed his insight), really pulling for both of them, I hope it is just growing pains.
Yeah, no other program besides us and Alabama have these issues. I mean, Damien was storming off the field last weekend, their top defensive player and too 10 draft pick gets arrested, their 5* QB transfers mid season. I mean Alabama is a sinking ship right now. It is getting ugly over there.
Ok. Well you left out the part of them getting developed because obviously our players aren't. And Harris was upset because he's not 100% playing against his home state school and I'm sure he wanted to have a good showing. And you can only play one QB at a time so that's why Barnett transferred much like Towles did here. Other than that we're pretty similar I guess :chairshot:
Ok. Well you left out the part of them getting developed because obviously our players aren't. And Harris was upset because he's not 100% playing against his home state school and I'm sure he wanted to have a good showing. And you can only play one QB at a time so that's why Barnett transferred much like Towles did here. Other than that we're pretty similar I guess
from seccats04 post
He night have also been upset because all the talk after the game was raving about his replacement and talking about the true freshman being the future at Bama RB.
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He night have also been upset because all the talk after the game was raving about his replacement and talking about the true freshman being the future at Bama RB.
There has been plenty of development on this team. People just refuse to see it. Yes, it has been slower, but that is also the results when you have the turnover in the staff that we have had.
As far as the QB, especially Towles, this board has blown up talking about how the QB situation was handled poorly, and that is why he left. Anytime a QB transfers from here, it is because the "situation was handled poorly". So can't have it both ways.
And with Damien, I don't give a crap what he was mad about. It showed immaturity and selfishness. But I could give examples of Baker storming off too. Maybe he is upset because this season has been one he would like to forget because he stays injured and his frustration carried over to the field.
And another point I forgot to make. We aren't having any more transfers from here than any other school has. So saying they are transferring at an alarmingrate is very drama queen esque.
The point is, you don't know what is going on and you still make the statement you made.
Big difference is they actually win football games, not just recruiting battles or point spreads.
Hahahaha!!! There is no difference. I love this excuse though. That is the excuse for everything. Coaches should not throw players under the bus...unless they win. Coaches should not lose their mind on the sidelines...unless they win. Coaches should never have upset players....unless they win. Coaches should not have players transfer....unless they win. Coaches should not have criminal backgrounds.....unless they win.
Way to go off the deep end. Issues are just magnified more when you aren't winning. Even the biggest Stoops supporter has to realize this. You really think if Alabama was 2-2 and their 5* QB announced his was transferring, fans wouldn't be wringing their hands?
Winning does cure a lot of ills but when you're losing, team chemistry, transfers, and arrests all become a bigger deal and are talked about more and more. Some things are out of Stoops' control and things that have happened here, happen everywhere but Stoops handling of this team from time to time can easily be questioned bc the wins aren't there.
Wins have nothing to do with those things unless it is all throughout the program. Clearly it is not any more than any other school. So, again, there is no difference. I didn't go off.the deep end. I told the truth about how people have double standards.
Easy. Boom Williams, Jordan Jones, Derrick Baity, Mike Williams, Greenwood, Timmons, Garret Johnson, CJ Conrad, John toth, Ross, Bud fupree, Z Smith, A.J stamps, Javises Blue and many more.
so that gives them a right to act poorly?
Nice logic there.....Hopefully , you're not in a position of management.
No, but when transfers, arrests, and calling out players happen, they have a track record for fans to defend it. My point to Merriman and you and any other Stoops supporter who wants to act surprised that fans will find deficiencies in how Stoops has handled things here while at the same time Bama fans will defend Nick Saban when his LB gets arrested and plays the next game, is winning will decide how the majority of the fan base is going to react.
Kind of how how Baylor Fans signed a petition to have Art Briled brought back after a 1 year suspension. How Arkansas fans rallied for Petrino not to be fired. It isn't about right or wrong, it's about how the fan base will react when you have a winning program. Every fan base does it.
I'll say this about development: I've seen more improvement on D in 2 games than I had the past 3 seasons combined. And more improvement on O this year than the past 3 combined.
We may finally have the staff we need
We may finally have the staff we need
I'm not sure you know what development means then. Most of these guys are good, maybe even great athletes - and some are darn good football players. I will give you that.
Development means they have gotten better - significantly better - since arriving on campus:
I will give you Toth, JJ and Dupree - which other kids on this list have IMPROVED since their freshman year....Timmons?(no) Boom? Conrad? - just because we recruit a good player doesn't mean he is developing.
Don't even mention any secondary players - Blue, are you kidding me. Stamps had a much better jr. year than sr. year. Baity has played well these last few weeks - Westry has regressed.
Some others you listed are FIRST YEAR players - how do you know if they have "developed"
I'm not at practice, neither are you, so we really don't know for sure anything except what we see on the game field. The receiver position shows growth, our LB's are playing better, and we have some good young OL play (Bunchy for sure) - other than that - little to none. I'm really not a guy to call out other posters, but to blindly say there has been "plenty" of player development on this staff is false IMO.
To the original topic of this thread, Daniel played all be it sparingly.
I understand what development means just fine.
Boom is better, Conrad is better, Ware is better, Josh Allen is better. Just because they were good as freshman, doesn't mean they don't show improvement. Improvement can come in many forms such as leadership, work ethic, patience, and many other things. To e, it is obvious that those kids are improving.
Funny how you mention that certain units have gotten better but Noth the players I mentioned IN those units. Units don't get better without individual improvement.
How about 10 players alone from the vaunted 2014 class for one. And people keep saying we have no depth even though we've had 4 straight top 35 classes. And that's because our depth keeps transferring. Fans keep saying no big deal because he doesn't start and that's true now but if there's an injury he may. Or two years down the road he may start.
Thanks, I hadn't noticed his return and Coach Stoops made it a point to announce that Baker and Bell was back but didn't do that about Kengera.
I'm hoping that whatever it was, it's over and he can get back to work to help our pass rush. We definitely need improvement in that area.
When I saw the post mentioning players and their development, I would have bet my house this exact response was coming. haha My goodness....
It reminds me so much of opposing fans (in basketball, although I hate bringing it up) slamming Cal and saying he can't develop talent. Then you list the UK players in the NBA and their response is, "They would have been there anyway because they were good when they got to Kentucky."
I think that's partially true, but they don't come to Kentucky (in football or basketball) already fully developed.
Sorry... just thought it was funny. hah
So if a player doesn't work out, coaches can't develop. If the player becomes a really good player like Mike Edwards, Boom Williams, Derek Baity, Jeff Badet, Jordan Jones, Tavin Richardson, John Toth, Bud Dupree, Denzel Ware, Garrett Johnson, etc. then it was because they were already good.
Sometimes, things don't work out. And sometimes improvement in a player is gradual so you don't really pick up on how well they are doing versus when they got to UK.
Anyway, just my input on that. I also fully admit I could be a bit sensitive because of having read so many posts doing whatever they can to slam Stoops. He's still our coach and we're still Kentucky. Not sure why we can't just support that until the season is over..... I'll do my personal evaluation of this at that time. I am happy about the changes that have been made and the sudden progress we're making on defense.
Maybe I missed it, but where has it been reported that Baker stormed off the field last night?
Yeah, just what field did he storm off of, he didn't travel to Bama due to injury. Maybe that tiny fact doesn't fit the agenda.
I am guessing someone is referring to the practice field, but I have not read a thread on here or anything on KSR that would suggest that has any credibility.
I don't know why Harris was irritated. Neither do you. It appeared to me that he thought he should be on the field and not his replacement, but that is admittedly conjecture. But, I do love the way you freely move the ball to make sure you can get your slam on Stoops in the post.
If you have a problem with development, make that point. The idea that the ship is sinking because coach expects discipline and enforces rules really is not a point.
This defense is pretty good right now. The next 4 teams we play will not score much on this defense. If the offense can get a passing game going we will make a bowl game
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I get what your saying UKCR - sometimes improvement is gradual. We are talking about a lot of young players that still have time to develop, and some have already shown signs of improvement. I also understand that so many of us are bashing the staff left and right it does seem like a pile on.
I just cannot stand when people make blanket statements of opinion and act like its 100% fact. If someone has the opinion that certain players are developing, or certain positions are improving, great - they most likely are. But to just blindly say that there is "plenty of development on this team" as a point of argument means nothing.
Take our seniors - I realize there aren't many of them - but how many are really that much better than they day they stepped on campus. Toth is (ironically, because so many on here bash Schlarman at every turn), but honestly look at the others - I would argue that most have either plateaued or regressed since their soph. season:
Kemp
Timmons
McClain
McWilson
Harmon (maybe unfair to put here, playing fairly well)
That is lack of development. This doesn't all fall on Stoops; the offensive guys have had new OC's every year (except for OL - see Toth)
I am still pulling for our team, our players AND coaches - that doesn't mean I can't be critical of what I see.
I get what your saying UKCR - sometimes improvement is gradual. We are talking about a lot of young players that still have time to develop, and some have already shown signs of improvement. I also understand that so many of us are bashing the staff left and right it does seem like a pile on.
I just cannot stand when people make blanket statements of opinion and act like its 100% fact. If someone has the opinion that certain players are developing, or certain positions are improving, great - they most likely are. But to just blindly say that there is "plenty of development on this team" as a point of argument means nothing.
Take our seniors - I realize there aren't many of them - but how many are really that much better than they day they stepped on campus. Toth is (ironically, because so many on here bash Schlarman at every turn), but honestly look at the others - I would argue that most have either plateaued or regressed since their soph. season:
Kemp
Timmons
McClain
McWilson
Harmon (maybe unfair to put here, playing fairly well)
That is lack of development. This doesn't all fall on Stoops; the offensive guys have had new OC's every year (except for OL - see Toth)
I am still pulling for our team, our players AND coaches - that doesn't mean I can't be critical of what I see.
On the defensive line: Z was remarkably better his second year than his first. Lewis did not look like the same player as when he arrived, compared to when he got hurt. CJ Johnson improved dramatically from year one to year two. Middleton has improved. Ware and Allen are SEC players this year, they had potential last season. I see week to week improvement for Pringle and think Dubose is getting better, too. And, Miggins is much better this year.
LBer: Forrest improved from a WR to a draftable LBer. Jones has improved. He has gone from a great athlete to better understanding angles and the game. Love seems to be improving. Eli is improving. You don't see it? These are second year players getting better.
I think Baity has really improved. I think Westry has, as well, but not enough to match his hype. Harmon is a much better football player today than he was when Joker left. Edwards seems to be getting better and better with a high ceiling.
Do we really have to continue this?
The issue really should be has the TEAM developed, as in improved. If not, is there a reasonable explanation or is it coaching? Those seem to be the objective questions.
Like when you offered, as a fact, the blanket statement that no defensive backs can be mentioned as having developed?