Is the Vandy game a make or break game for Stoops?
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If he is allowed back after a 4 win season then UK football really is a joke and a lost cause
UK has to beat Vandy to keep its slim bowl hopes alive. Win that, then we get the bye, then MSU at home. Win that, and then you just have to win 1/2 of UGA and Missouri (winning one of those won't be easy at all) and then APSU to get to 6.
UK has to beat Vandy to keep its slim bowl hopes alive. Win that, then we get the bye, then MSU at home. Win that, and then you just have to win 1/2 of UGA and Missouri (winning one of those won't be easy at all) and then APSU to get to 6.
I don't know if it's make or break for coach Stoops, but it definitely is for the season. Lose that one and we're not going to a bowl.
Maybe so, but should we really be talking that we are on Vandy's level after 4 years? Disappointing, yet reality.
Vandy has won 9, 3, 4, and 2 in the past 4 for a total of 18.
UK has won 2, 5, 5, and 2 in the past 4 for a total of 14.
Of course Vandy's 2013 season is futher and further away as James Franklin aint walkin through that door. They got their Mason like we are stuck with our Stoops.
It is for the season. UK has to win to keep their bowl hopes alive and even then I'm being optimistic. A loss means they are essentially eliminated, not mathematically obviously, but let's face it a loss Saturday then they are going to win six. Stoop's buy out is too much for him to leave after this year so next year is either six wins or he's gone in my opinion.
Stoops manages to put himself behind the 8 ball so that we have about 3 or 4 of those type games each year.SC,Vandy and AP fall into that category this season,I think 4 wins gives him a shot at staying and 5 is a lock. I hope Stoops makes it here but it does get old having multiple games that are win or start over with a new coach year after year.
So a game against Vandy in year 4 is make or break? Pretty much tells it all.
It definitely is. He'll be back as long as he wins 4, but he'll have lost a big portion of the fan base if he doesn't at least get to 5, and rightly so.
I like Stoops and everything he has done off the field but he has to go if we win 4 or less games. Prefer him gone with 5 but can see a $12 million argument to keep him.
Reality is Louisville has raised the bar and exposed the excuses used for Kentucky not being able to win in football. If they can get the players so can we. SEC too tough? The East has been weak for a few years and the ACC now has high level teams.
Louisville is in the college football playoff discussion and Kentucky is fighting an uphill battle for a bowl game. We microwave fans have a right to expect more.
Reality is Louisville has raised the bar and exposed the excuses used for Kentucky not being able to win in football. If they can get the players so can we. SEC too tough? The East has been weak for a few years and the ACC now has high level teams.
Louisville is in the college football playoff discussion and Kentucky is fighting an uphill battle for a bowl game. We microwave fans have a right to expect more.
Stoops era already broke, Vandy win probably just makes it a slower more painful death.
I don't think it's a matter of how many games he wins but how many people show up for the remaining games. It will take a Joker like Vandy game for Barnyard to eat the buyout.
Yeah but what everyone forgets is that UK is a basketball school in a basketball state. So it's not that big of a deal but simply what's expected.
More or less. Like him (I do) or not, certain milestones have to start being passed. Beating the likes of Vandy is at the top of that list, especially in CWS for crying out loud.
All due respect, this isn't the right question. Losing to Vandy wouldn't necessarily mean 3 wins. No matter how many Stoops wins, he is doing it with a 2nd string quarterback. A juco quarterback, 7 sophomores, and 2 freshmen are starting. The punter is a true freshman. Our quarterback and middle linebacker never played in an SEC game before last month. Despite everything, Stoops holds a 3-game winning streak over South Carolina. You sound anxious to spend other people's money. If Stoops is fired after 2016, Kentucky owes him $12 million, and then another $5 million to his staff. The athletics director is unlikely to blow $17 million to get rid of Stoops with 19 incumbent starters due back in 2017. Yes, it could happen, but the team and recruiting class would have to fall apart in November. If I was Barnhart, I would be closely watching this next recruiting class. I'm not talking about Jedrick Wills. Wills is gone. There is no Wills. I'm talking about overall talent and balance in the class. Signing a bunch of defensive backs isn't enough. But if it looks like Stoops will add Danny Clark, a tackle, and a couple more solid defensive linemen, then you don't fire Stoops and disrupt that class. In June, I predicted 4-5 wins. Since then, I haven't seen anything to change my mind. The most likely outcome for this year will be more tweaking of Stoops' staff, and I think Eliot is in some trouble now.
Eliot is a native of Edmond, OK. My guess would be that Eliot resurfaces as a linebacker coach at an Florida, Oklahoma, or Texas college program, or for a Florida or Texas NFL team. He can't last long at Kentucky. Either Stoops replaces him, or else Stoops fails and Eliot loses his job that way. IMO.
Why would he keep a big portion of the fanbase if he gets to 5 wins? We have been there done that. Boring. No bowl, sitting at home like losers for the 3rd straight season at 5-7. Big whoop, I doubt many have much faith even with 5 wins IMO when you look at a tougher schedule next season
Because of his contract, because the team should be better since we return mostly everyone (plus a second year in the system on O) and because 5-7 isn't so ungodly bad that it warrants scrapping the whole thing and starting over.
By "keep", I mean there will still be a lot people who are on the fence, not necessarily completely on board. Anything less than 5 and I think most won't even care how 17 turns out, stoops will have lost them.
The most ridiculous thing that happened this offseason is when a Power 5 program offered DJ Eliot a DC position and he rejected the offer. It shows what a dope he is!
Actually the doormat of "Power 5" conferences. Did some research: UK's last 9 win season was 1984. Since then, EVERY current Power 5 school other than Kentucky and Indiana has had at least one 9+ win season and 95% have had more than one. And, yes, that includes Duke and Vanderbilt.
Yes, I believe Vandy is a must win. If we lose to Vandy, that means bowl hopes are crushed and the fans will finally turn "for good" against Stoops.
I really hope we get this win.
I really hope we get this win.
You lose to Vandy, you are out of Bowl contention going into the bye week.
The bye week happens to feature Big Blue Madness for a basketball team that has title aspirations...which will be a big pick me up for the down fan base.
A loss will kill all momentum for the team in the bye week and for the fan base. The stadium will be empty for the rest of the year. You probably go on to finish 3-9 ending with a 70 point blowout against Louisville who will be in playoff contention.
It is make or break...if Vandy ends up being a loss he will be fired.
The bye week happens to feature Big Blue Madness for a basketball team that has title aspirations...which will be a big pick me up for the down fan base.
A loss will kill all momentum for the team in the bye week and for the fan base. The stadium will be empty for the rest of the year. You probably go on to finish 3-9 ending with a 70 point blowout against Louisville who will be in playoff contention.
It is make or break...if Vandy ends up being a loss he will be fired.
Really, really need six, and Vandy better be one unless we think we can sweep Georgia, UT and Louisville. Can you say 210 points in three games?
Team needs wins against Vandy, APSU, Missouri and Mississippi State. Two of those are really questionable, and if we face Vandy and that D with a half baked attitude, that one will go South as well.
Don't know the last time I felt a coaches tenure road on Vanderbilt in a football game.
This is big for Stoops.
Team needs wins against Vandy, APSU, Missouri and Mississippi State. Two of those are really questionable, and if we face Vandy and that D with a half baked attitude, that one will go South as well.
Don't know the last time I felt a coaches tenure road on Vanderbilt in a football game.
This is big for Stoops.