Jim Brown- epic sports figure- has died.
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I think it was… not happy about his passing but he lived to a ripe old age of 87. This is why people need to make sure their idols can stand up to criticisms by the public . Several here were making Brown seem like this wonderful guy … sadly , he was not especially early in his life until he reached old age… if you want to talk about angry … look no further thanJim Brown.
Compared to what? Also I give the guy credit for not buying into all the BS racial crap he was faced with in the glorious past some want to go back to. He didn’t let that moronic stuff prevent him from being the person he wanted to be. Self determination.
You sure that's Jim Brown? That looks like film from the last decade of OSU vs. Rutgers games converted to black and white.
Jim Brown was a great football player.
As an actor: left a little to be desired, but not all actors are academy award material .
As a person Brown can be looked at as a reason why sports figures shouldn't be looked at as hero just because they were great at the sport they played.
Brown seems to have some big minuses on his resume as a person and that can't be overlooked when thinking about what type of a man he was.
But also the pluses need to be added, not to take away the minuses, just to see a better overall picture of a complexes man whose personal faults lessen the good he tried to do outside of sports
Jim Brown started , with others, the Black Economic Union, a group dedicated to the belief that economic development was the key to equality for Black Americans.
Years later, Brown told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that more than 400 businesses had been launched with the help of the BEU.
Brown founded Amer-I-Can, a national organization to help rehabilitate gang members and former prisoners. According to Amer-I-Can, “The program goal is to help enable individuals to meet their academic potential, to conform their behavior to acceptable society standards, and to improve the quality of their lives by equipping them with the critical life management skills to confidently and successfully contribute to society.”
Brown also was a strong voice supporting the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s and was among the most outspoken Black athletes of his era, advocating for them to use their platforms as well known athletes to address important issues that affected the USA .
But in the end Jim Brown wasn't a hero because of his flaws, just a talented flawed man that tried to use his fame for good, but that was overshadowed
by what could be considered inexcusable actions when it comes to the type of person he was.
As an actor: left a little to be desired, but not all actors are academy award material .
As a person Brown can be looked at as a reason why sports figures shouldn't be looked at as hero just because they were great at the sport they played.
Brown seems to have some big minuses on his resume as a person and that can't be overlooked when thinking about what type of a man he was.
But also the pluses need to be added, not to take away the minuses, just to see a better overall picture of a complexes man whose personal faults lessen the good he tried to do outside of sports
Jim Brown started , with others, the Black Economic Union, a group dedicated to the belief that economic development was the key to equality for Black Americans.
Years later, Brown told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that more than 400 businesses had been launched with the help of the BEU.
Brown founded Amer-I-Can, a national organization to help rehabilitate gang members and former prisoners. According to Amer-I-Can, “The program goal is to help enable individuals to meet their academic potential, to conform their behavior to acceptable society standards, and to improve the quality of their lives by equipping them with the critical life management skills to confidently and successfully contribute to society.”
Brown also was a strong voice supporting the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s and was among the most outspoken Black athletes of his era, advocating for them to use their platforms as well known athletes to address important issues that affected the USA .
But in the end Jim Brown wasn't a hero because of his flaws, just a talented flawed man that tried to use his fame for good, but that was overshadowed
by what could be considered inexcusable actions when it comes to the type of person he was.
Some truth to that but I also blame the "idol" stuff on human nature.
Football players are prone to having re-directed hostilities.
Many have said they were getting into trouble until football gave them an outlet.
Practically every great defense has some goblins on it.
I would discourage kids from having idols more than blame football players for being sketchy.
There were guys I loved to play with but were never people I wanted to hang with.
These days I distrust the squeaky-clean frat/sorority types more than the ruffians.
Better to deal with the devil you can see lol.
Jim Brown was no saint but IMHO he was the greatest RB I ever saw.
As an actor I enjoyed his role in the Dirty Dozen and he had a small but good role in one of my favorite movies, He Got Game.
R.I.P.
As an actor I enjoyed his role in the Dirty Dozen and he had a small but good role in one of my favorite movies, He Got Game.
R.I.P.
Of course Brown was a great ball player who was NOT a nice guy… Jim was a hater of women…a guy who attempted to present himself as a righteous man in search of being a true advocate for the oppressed. He lived well… he played hard and reaped benefits neither of us have ever experienced. People are very tired of excuses… people are tired of lies… people are in need of leadership which does not look at all things under a microscope of one against another. People don’t hate each other in the far majority of daily life. There is not enough benefits in saying “ I don’t hate you.”
That’s the most important thing? His athletic ability? Makes sense on a Rutgers sports board.
Considering the Giants were one of the first teams to switch that up, where the better athlete was on defense…
That’s not too shabby…5yds per carry and a decent number of TDs.
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Unfortunately , in life we all need idols. Mine were my mom n dad… don’t believe I have ever met a young or older person who would say I don’t have an idol. Maybe you should try again?Some truth to that but I also blame the "idol" stuff on human nature.
Football players are prone to having re-directed hostilities.
Many have said they were getting into trouble until football gave them an outlet.
Practically every great defense has some goblins on it.
I would discourage kids from having idols more than blame football players for being sketchy.
There were guys I loved to play with but were never people I wanted to hang with.
These days I distrust the squeaky-clean frat/sorority types more than the ruffians.
Better to deal with the devil you can see lol.
Excuse me???? How do you come to the conclusion that I said that athletic ability was the most important thing? Did I condone any of the things that he did? I can recognize that the guy was not a good guy but at the same time cite his superior football skills.
Well , excuse me my friend . Do remember saying “ Jim Brown was no Saint ( agree) IMHO he was the greatest RB I ever saw ( agree) but …. IMHO and millions of others he was not a nice person even before he entered HOF status. You did say that. There are many guys who were great players but your legacy should hold some other things in a higher esteem. Sorry you were offended.
Parents don't count.
People are psychically programmed to see parents as kings and queens.
I never had an idol
The idea of asking someone for an autograph always seemed bizarre to me.
All people are sinners who wake-up and burp in the morning.
I could never get into baseball because it had too much idolatry - people talk about dead baseball players as if heroes still alive (and yet they dont mind when new players use steroids to erase elders stats - crazy). Mickey Mantle was kind of a dirt-bag -but he admitted it and that was best thing about him. Lombardi was a tyrant and regretted it as he was dying
King David was an adulterer who plotted killing a husband.
Einstein was a notorious adulterer and MLK/JFK had freaky private lives.
Any person with an accurate sense of what it means to be human cant elevate others.
Respecting their skills is ok.
Not offended. Just thought you were implying that I was excusing his personal life because of his athletic skills. If it sounded like I was condoning his behavior, I wasn't.
Maybe your parents didn’t count but mine were my idols.. you should have tried it. Yet you are a steady contributor on a sports board. Mickey Mantle , Billy Martin Whitey Ford were drinkers as were many others. I don’t believe they were wife abusers or woman abusers . I could be mistaken . And I’m weird ? Ha Ha Ha … Better try another line of work… By the way did you tell your parents how you evidently felt about them. I looked up to my parents for the life they gave me and my brother. I feel bad for you… the psychology you attempt to post is not probably how most feel.
Never said that … you are a good poster who deserves his opinion . Ours today about Brown are same but different.
Psychology is a dead field killed by politics and 1 in 7 people is on med - its down more harm than good.
Social collapse and rising in psych/SW grads go hand-in-hand
How "most fee" is an ambiguous measure.
Most cannibals and head hunters support their ways.
Speaking of heroes - look at most rockers - almost universally degenerates and nobody complains.
I never liked most rockers but like some of their music.
I grew-up on R@B thankfully.
They weren't perfect but most learned their skills in church and didn't fill cemeteries in 60s/70s
Besides his physical gifts, he also had good eyes. He saw what was going to happen 3 seconds in advance and used that to sometimes have defenders crashing into each other as they tried to make a tackle.
Correctomundo. I wasn't trying to suggest that he didn't do damage against the Jints. I happened to be there one of the few times that they contained him. And the crowd loved it.
Classic psychotic and delusional posting. Your problem was listening to R&B as a younger person . You needed to listen to the 1966-67 …The Fuggs . They would have straightened you out.
great movie but acting wasn't his thing
he was great on the gridiron though, really great
Here is picture of the late Jim Brown :Super athlete … was not a dummy… did not treat women properly…did many things to improve the outlook for the black US citizen of that era…philanthropy was a good trait… acting was ok at best …lost respect of many of my era due to attitude and issues involving women. The finest back I ever saw in person and I went to Yankee stadium to witness him at 8 years old against the Giants with my late father. It is a tale of Greatness vs Narcissism… He was both of these… admittedly he was a sight to behold taking a pitch on an outside sweep. Fear into the heart of any defender even Sam Huff my man.
Pretty sure my late Dad was sitting there as well.
So annoying too, as it’s again one of those times when I want to ask him: “Hey Dad, did you ever…”
Yes.. "some" want the America of the past... FOR ALL this time around.
Why can't you guys just let go of that bone? Why can't we want the best from the past while eliminating the worst of it? Why must we throw away what worked because it wasn't fair to all? You think anyone is actually served well by what is going on today?
You got that a little backwards. I'm sure you meant to say Trump.
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Gale had a seven year pro career and was terrific
A different type of back, the shifty, not so much power
The thing with Brown was that he smashed the career rushing record, had won the rookie of the year award, four league MVP trophies out of seven seasons played
A power runner who retired at 30 when he felt he had nothing else to prove
In 2002 he was picked as the greatest FB player ever, by sports illustrated, I think it was
I wish both played longer, particularly Sayers to see what he might have done
A long long time ago I never understood all the fuss about Gale Sayers….until I saw the films. Wow.
Yep.
The famous still pic when he knows the knee is gone is awful. Just by looking at it you can feel the pain.
The only one’s who are served well it seems are those who control the purse strings and the daily narratives .
BC,DT and a host of other public figures and politicians
So from what I see here, OJ killed a woman, and Brown just tried.