KSR article on "Toxic" comments from Stoops

[brianpoe]

Can someone please provide all of these "toxic attacks" on the players?

Where are they?

One post said SJ sucked at QB and the poster was admonished.

A post said Elam should go to EKU and free up a schollie and the poster was admonished.

A couple of posters are just not very bright or young, or both, and simply come across immaturely.


But where are all of these personal attacks on players?

Especially Jordan Griffin?



Fans saying the defense is awful after giving up a huge lead in the opener is not attacking a specific player.

Fans stating that the offense is shaky even after a win due to 49 yards of total passing is not attacking a specific player.


Fans stating that CMS is the not the man for the job is not an attack on a player.

Fans stating that even though we have won some games, the competition level was low, and we didnt look great doing it are not attacking a player.

Fans stating that due to the previous performances that we might not make a bowl if we continue this play is not attacking a specific player.


I am, and am not, a just-win kind of fan.

It will be great for the program if we get to 6 wins playing like we did vs Vandy.

But that doesnt mean we dont have reason to question or even criticize when there is plenty of room for improvement.

And until CMS wins a game we were not supposed to, takes us to a bowl, something - anything, then he nor his supporters have much equity to admonish those who criticize him.

 

[richbrookstomato]

First and foremost, ANY fan that DIRECTLY contacts and disparages players or their parents on social media are beyond ridiculous and disgusting.

Having said that, parents and players should know that by putting themselves out there, and in most cases WANTING as many followers as they can get, that they're going to get some of those "ridiculous and disgusting" people.

What I don't understand, is why Coach Stoops would even give those "toxic" people ANY acknowledgement? The person that started the rumor of infidelity has been exposed as a complete FRAUD and destroyed his credibility for life. The vast majority of the great #BBN fans were responsible for outing this troublemaker in DEFENSE of Coach Stoops and our football program.

This was IMHO, Coach Stoops taking an opportunity to try and get some vindication for himself and his players after an SEC win. It was NOT the proper time to do so, but if it rallies our team to work harder for the rest of the season and we get to at least 6 wins, I'll praise him for it in the end.

But if he doesn't get that result(more wins) from his team after saying this, he's just inviting more outcry from not only the "toxic" fans, but also those of us that have given him more than enough SUPPORT for HIS UK Football program to be successful.

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

These are the crybaby victim posts that we always get when a recruit or a parent speaks the truth about ugly fans. If you justify the poor behavior and think you earned the right because you pay for a ticket, go away to a place where it is all about you. BBN has has never and will never be all about you. Fans who dump on players and their families are trash. Keep your stinking money, if that is you. And stop justifying the idiots.

Once again, I keep seeing this repeated over and over. I don't know where this is happening. Twitter? I'm not seeing it on here. I hardly ever see posters here, or any of my fellow Kentucky fans bash individual players. Seems to me, that there's a organized effort afoot to purposely conflate coaching staff/ Barnhart criticism with "player bashing," in order to deflect and once again guilt the fans into silence. That's what's creating the "toxic" environment. I've lost what little respect I had, for Barney and his ministry of propaganda.

 

[UKCatNnc]

Once again, I keep seeing this repeated over and over. I don't know where this is happening. Twitter? I'm not seeing it on here. I hardly ever see posters here, or any of my fellow Kentucky fans bash individual players. Seems to me, that there's a organized effort afoot to purposely conflate coaching staff/ Barnhart criticism with "player bashing," in order to deflect and once again guilt the fans into silence. That's what's creating the "toxic" environment. I've lost what little respect I had, for Barney and his ministry of propaganda.

Interesting. It is certainly a good discussion. Go Cats!!

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

About time, and special thanks to Judy Griffin. I have long maintained that all the negativity on here will only accomplish one thing, hurt recruiting, and it is stupid to think parents don't notice it.

Winning will cure this. If Stoops gets this team and future teams to 7-8 wins a year with the occasional "Big" year, this stuff becomes so miniscule that's not even noticeable.
Up to this point, Stoops has not earned the full trust of the fans. That's just the way it is. The loss last year to Vandy was a major blow to the views the fanbase has of him. Then the year starts off with an inexcusable loss at home to Southern Miss.
I am not excusing people who go beyond the pale and start awful rumors and are disrespectful to Stoops. That kind of behavior cannot be excused.

 

[Cats78]

Once again, I keep seeing this repeated over and over. I don't know where this is happening. Twitter? I'm not seeing it on here. I hardly ever see posters here, or any of my fellow Kentucky fans bash individual players. Seems to me, that there's a organized effort afoot to purposely conflate coaching staff/ Barnhart criticism with "player bashing," in order to deflect and once again guilt the fans into silence. That's what's creating the "toxic" environment. I've lost what little respect I had, for Barney and his ministry of propaganda.

Stoops needs to stop criticizing fans. It helps nothing.

Players do get bashed though. Def twitter. This site let an idiot poster title a thread "Stephen Johnson Sucks" right after the game Saturday, and left the thread up for several hours. This site also let the false rumor spread like crazy before the SC game with multiple threads with some pretty nasty stuff.

The player stuff happens, but like I said, it's very few fans and the coach needs to stop bringing it up cause it sounds like he is pointing the finger at more than a few.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Once again, I keep seeing this repeated over and over. I don't know where this is happening. Twitter? I'm not seeing it on here. I hardly ever see posters here, or any of my fellow Kentucky fans bash individual players. Seems to me, that there's a organized effort afoot to purposely conflate coaching staff/ Barnhart criticism with "player bashing," in order to deflect and once again guilt the fans into silence. That's what's creating the "toxic" environment. I've lost what little respect I had, for Barney and his ministry of propaganda.

Stoops definitely took a page right out of MB'S script with those comments that's for sure.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Can someone please provide all of these "toxic attacks" on the players?

Where are they?

One post said SJ sucked at QB and the poster was admonished.

A post said Elam should go to EKU and free up a schollie and the poster was admonished.

A couple of posters are just not very bright or young, or both, and simply come across immaturely.


But where are all of these personal attacks on players?

Especially Jordan Griffin?



Fans saying the defense is awful after giving up a huge lead in the opener is not attacking a specific player.

Fans stating that the offense is shaky even after a win due to 49 yards of total passing is not attacking a specific player.


Fans stating that CMS is the not the man for the job is not an attack on a player.

Fans stating that even though we have won some games, the competition level was low, and we didnt look great doing it are not attacking a player.

Fans stating that due to the previous performances that we might not make a bowl if we continue this play is not attacking a specific player.


I am, and am not, a just-win kind of fan.

It will be great for the program if we get to 6 wins playing like we did vs Vandy.

But that doesnt mean we dont have reason to question or even criticize when there is plenty of room for improvement.

And until CMS wins a game we were not supposed to, takes us to a bowl, something - anything, then he nor his supporters have much equity to admonish those who criticize him.

Excellent post. Well said.

If the season had started with a pretty convincing win over Southern Miss and competitive game at the Swamp, none of this is happening.
Instead, UK loses to Southern Miss and it doesn't even look like they wanted to be on the field against Florida. That is why fans were so very angry. It's year 4 and the team looked awful. Worse than awful.
All the hype. All the homer media guys raving about this and that. Fans were expecting more. Instead they got the same ol' same ol'. New field, New facilities. Same result. The frustration boiled over. Big money to Stoops. Big money all over and nothing had changed.
Blame the fans if you want, but the fans did their part. They have always done their part.

 

[Aike]

I don't care what KSR says, it was a bad move by Stoops.

His putting it out there after the game invited the mother of a player to go to Twitter with her take. All that did was further fire up the trolls.

It's just the wrong tone to set for the leader of the program.

 

[J. Shellacque]

I'm not understanding this myth that UK fans are attackiing the "kids." Where does this nonsense come from? All of the criticism is directed at Stoops and Barnhart, and well deserved. I can't remember the last time I saw a poster say anything negative about a player.........other than "I can't believe Swindle was offsides again."

 

[VikingsCat]

Thx for posting your opinions. At least now we know what so-called fans are the problem at UK. It's now a new problem and I think many of you know Cobb

 

[TankedCat]

I can't recommend enough that when you're "level 9" pissed , go to twitter. Good things will always happen.

 

[brianpoe]

Thx for posting your opinions. At least now we know what so-called fans are the problem at UK. It's now a new problem and I think many of you know Cobb

You have posted this multiple times. What date was Cobb's tweet?

 

[Beatle Bum]

Once again, I keep seeing this repeated over and over. I don't know where this is happening. Twitter? I'm not seeing it on here. I hardly ever see posters here, or any of my fellow Kentucky fans bash individual players. Seems to me, that there's a organized effort afoot to purposely conflate coaching staff/ Barnhart criticism with "player bashing," in order to deflect and once again guilt the fans into silence. That's what's creating the "toxic" environment. I've lost what little respect I had, for Barney and his ministry of propaganda.

Uh, you have not seen college student Matt Elam be the subject of ugly jokes? You did not see "Johnson sucks?" You must be a selective viewer.

 

[jauk11]

First and foremost, ANY fan that DIRECTLY contacts and disparages players or their parents on social media are beyond ridiculous and disgusting.

Having said that, parents and players should know that by putting themselves out there, and in most cases WANTING as many followers as they can get, that they're going to get some of those "ridiculous and disgusting" people.

What I don't understand, is why Coach Stoops would even give those "toxic" people ANY acknowledgement? The person that started the rumor of infidelity has been exposed as a complete FRAUD and destroyed his credibility for life. The vast majority of the great #BBN fans were responsible for outing this troublemaker in DEFENSE of Coach Stoops and our football program.

This was IMHO, Coach Stoops taking an opportunity to try and get some vindication for himself and his players after an SEC win. It was NOT the proper time to do so, but if it rallies our team to work harder for the rest of the season and we get to at least 6 wins, I'll praise him for it in the end.

But if he doesn't get that result(more wins) from his team after saying this, he's just inviting more outcry from not only the "toxic" fans, but also those of us that have given him more than enough SUPPORT for HIS UK Football program to be successful.

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

Uh, you have not seen college student Matt Elam be the subject of ugly jokes? You did not see "Johnson sucks?" You must be a selective viewer.

Yes, I do remember some jabs at Elam. But the vast majority of posts have been directed at Stoops/Barnhart. And a plethora of posts have been penned this weak, directly attacking the fans. Quit acting like Kentucky's failure to win is due to bad fans somehow damaging the fragile psyche of our players. We shouldn't be attacking our players, esp. on a personal basis. Then again, this administration has no business attacking our fan base with broad generalizations, and a utterly false narrative, in order to cover their rear's.

 

[jauk11]

must have missed it, who was exposed and destroyed and what is his new name. might be in your likes list, maybe the one with zero posts.

 

[jauk11]

Yes, I do remember some jabs at Elam. But the vast majority of posts have been directed at Stoops/Barnhart. And a plethora of posts have been penned this weak, directly attacking the fans. Quit acting like Kentucky's failure to win is due to bad fans somehow damaging the fragile psyche of our players. We shouldn't be attacking our players, esp. on a personal basis. Then again, this administration has no business attacking our fan base with broad generalizations, and a utterly false narrative, in order to cover their rear's.

when was judy hired

 

[brianpoe]

Uh, you have not seen college student Matt Elam be the subject of ugly jokes? You did not see "Johnson sucks?" You must be a selective viewer.

Those are the 2 I mentioned.

Elam has definitley taken some shots - although most were about his technique or lack there of.

Does one poster saying Johnson sucks and others complaining about Elam standing straight up at the snap really qualify for accusations of toxic taunting and player hating?

 

[kyjohn]

Nick Roush needs to get over himself. He can praise "Caesar" all he wants but if thinks his epistle will persuade long suffering UK fans to change they way they feel about Stoops lack of progress on the field he is living in a fantasy world. Criticism comes with the $3.5 million Stoops gets paid each each year. Fan criticism comes with every coaching position from the Pee Wee league, middle school, high school, college and the pros. To be sure, the unfounded rumors about Stoops and personal insults towards players cross the line of acceptability. and should not take place. However, such misguided juvenile expressions come from a minority of UK fans and do not define the majority of UK fans who have suffered mediocre to pathetic football for nearly six decades.

UK fans have every right to question Stoops decision making and lack of progress just like every other fan of every other program in the United States. It is in the nature of being a fan. UK is not any different from every other school when it comes to fan frustration with perennially losing football. Stoops and his assistants are being paid more money than any coaching staff in the history of the University of Kentucky. UK has spent more money on upgrading its football facilities ($110 million), than at any time since Commonwealth Stadium was built in 1973, 43 years ago.

Naturally, with this radical increase in investment dollars comes an increase in expectations that our football program will improve. Thus far it hasn't. Deplorable losses to Vandy and Louisville last year as well barely beating EKU on our home field, losing to Southern Mississippi this year coupled with the 3 previous seasons of losing football have caused many UK fans to question whether Stoops can do the job. Yet despite these failures Roush and others expect UK fans to mute their growing discontent after having to pay ever increasing prices for tickets and parking passes? Get over yourself.

The fan environment surrounding UK football is no more "toxic" than at any other school which has had suffer the ignominy being one of the perpetual bottom feeders of their conference. Stoops may be a super nice guy and trying his best but he is not being paid for these qualities alone; he is being paid to produce results and thus far he has failed. As a result, the criticism exists. He should expect it. He should also stop whining about it.

Excellent response and one that deals with the frustration that most UK football fans are dealing with.
There are no excuses for not putting a well conditioned ,competitive football team on the field anymore.A lot of schools do far more with a lot less than UK,and lack of facilities and other excuses can no longer be tolerated.

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

Almost stopped at the first grammatical error. Facepalmed on the 2nd. He needs to proofread but I digress. Overall point in the article makes sense and I even agreed with Stoops in the fact people should not attack the players but fans are fans. When you've been a longtime suffering fan, when it starts to go south so will the fan base. If Stoops continues to win, the attitude will change. You wouldn't even be talking about this if the team had just beaten Southern Miss.

I think most are still not convinced. There was a little bit of smoke and mirrors to beating both USCjr and Vandy. UK got some bounces in both those games that helped them win. Right now, the season can one or two ways. Beat Miss St and Mizzou and you're bowling, or don't and another 4-5 win season is in the book. That's going to leave a bad taste in the fans' mouth in year 4. I would tell Stoops use the negativity as motivation and quit yapping about it to the media. He's getting paid a lot of money and with that money comes this kind of stuff.

At the end of the day, the 5% doomsday crowd see the salaries paid coaches and expect instant gratification. I'm right there wishing, hoping and expecting results in year four. We didn't get the "big time" coach for short run results. We got a "head coach in training" who happens to be a respected coach and very knowledgeable football guy for hopefully long term results.

Expectations were we would rise from the ashes of Joker's tenure and make noise in the SEC by year four. Long time fans (60 years for me) always hope, but have known more disappointment than success. Add in the constant increase in prices, parking, K Fund donationS etc and you have the perfect storm for the toxic environment at CWS.

I still choose to be a fan and am thankful for the training facility and a vastly improved CWS. The wins will come even as we fans face the length of the process.

 

[KattieCat]

I agree fans should not be attacking players, but NOTHING any fans have said on social media or anywhere else affected the won-loss record on the field, and Stoops knows that.

 

[jauk11]

I agree fans should not be attacking players, but NOTHING any fans have said on social media or anywhere else affected the won-loss record on the field, and Stoops knows that.

But it can and DOES affect recruiting, right Judy. And Stoops will be here, get over it.

Complain about something you might change, the COA.

 

[RackOps]

This is why I hate the concept of "sure wins" and "sure losses" that fans talk themselves into.

People chalked So Miss up as a "sure win" and declared the season a failure 4 hours into it because now they can't see enough other sure wins to get us to a bowl.

Yes...Stoops lost a game he shouldn't have. It happens all the time to other teams., even 'Bama.

He may lose another one that he shouldn't....but maybe he'll beat one or two teams that he shouldn't. That's football.

Stoops should be judged at the end of season. Look at how many games he lost that he shouldn't have, and how many upsets he pulled....and then compare that to where you believe the program should be.

 

[UK90]

Almost stopped at the first grammatical error. Facepalmed on the 2nd. He needs to proofread but I digress.

This. His premise about our negative fan base has some validity. But the cumbersome writing, run on sentences and grammatical mistakes (do KSR writers really not know the difference between "two" and "too"?) made that piece hard to read.

And, fwiw, this is hardly the first time I've noticed that issue in KSR articles. That site needs an editor.

 

[CB3UK]

Can someone please provide all of these "toxic attacks" on the players?

Where are they?

One post said SJ sucked at QB and the poster was admonished.

A post said Elam should go to EKU and free up a schollie and the poster was admonished.

A couple of posters are just not very bright or young, or both, and simply come across immaturely.


But where are all of these personal attacks on players?

Especially Jordan Griffin?



Fans saying the defense is awful after giving up a huge lead in the opener is not attacking a specific player.

Fans stating that the offense is shaky even after a win due to 49 yards of total passing is not attacking a specific player.


Fans stating that CMS is the not the man for the job is not an attack on a player.

Fans stating that even though we have won some games, the competition level was low, and we didnt look great doing it are not attacking a player.

Fans stating that due to the previous performances that we might not make a bowl if we continue this play is not attacking a specific player.


I am, and am not, a just-win kind of fan.

It will be great for the program if we get to 6 wins playing like we did vs Vandy.

But that doesnt mean we dont have reason to question or even criticize when there is plenty of room for improvement.

And until CMS wins a game we were not supposed to, takes us to a bowl, something - anything, then he nor his supporters have much equity to admonish those who criticize him.

Testify Brother Poe, Testify!

 

[Mike-D]

Nick Roush needs to get over himself. He can praise "Caesar" all he wants but if thinks his epistle will persuade long suffering UK fans to change they way they feel about Stoops lack of progress on the field he is living in a fantasy world. Criticism comes with the $3.5 million Stoops gets paid each each year. Fan criticism comes with every coaching position from the Pee Wee league, middle school, high school, college and the pros. To be sure, the unfounded rumors about Stoops and personal insults towards players cross the line of acceptability. and should not take place. However, such misguided juvenile expressions come from a minority of UK fans and do not define the majority of UK fans who have suffered mediocre to pathetic football for nearly six decades.

UK fans have every right to question Stoops decision making and lack of progress just like every other fan of every other program in the United States. It is in the nature of being a fan. UK is not any different from every other school when it comes to fan frustration with perennially losing football. Stoops and his assistants are being paid more money than any coaching staff in the history of the University of Kentucky. UK has spent more money on upgrading its football facilities ($110 million), than at any time since Commonwealth Stadium was built in 1973, 43 years ago.

Naturally, with this radical increase in investment dollars comes an increase in expectations that our football program will improve. Thus far it hasn't. Deplorable losses to Vandy and Louisville last year as well barely beating EKU on our home field, losing to Southern Mississippi this year coupled with the 3 previous seasons of losing football have caused many UK fans to question whether Stoops can do the job. Yet despite these failures Roush and others expect UK fans to mute their growing discontent after having to pay ever increasing prices for tickets and parking passes? Get over yourself.

The fan environment surrounding UK football is no more "toxic" than at any other school which has had suffer the ignominy being one of the perpetual bottom feeders of their conference. Stoops may be a super nice guy and trying his best but he is not being paid for these qualities alone; he is being paid to produce results and thus far he has failed. As a result, the criticism exists. He should expect it. He should also stop whining about it.

END THREAD.

 

[BlueRaider22]

You think Ms Griffin was angry at the "sunshine pumpers"??

Lol!!

What?! Where'd you get that?

 

[jauk11]

At the end of the day, the 5% doomsday crowd see the salaries paid coaches and expect instant gratification. I'm right there wishing, hoping and expecting results in year four. We didn't get the "big time" coach for short run results. We got a "head coach in training" who happens to be a respected coach and very knowledgeable football guy for hopefully long term results.

Expectations were we would rise from the ashes of Joker's tenure and make noise in the SEC by year four. Long time fans (60 years for me) always hope, but have known more disappointment than success. Add in the constant increase in prices, parking, K Fund donationS etc and you have the perfect storm for the toxic environment at CWS.

I still choose to be a fan and am thankful for the training facility and a vastly improved CWS. The wins will come even as we fans face the length of the process.

Was going to give it a like until I saw Blue Bigfoot liked it, LOL.

 

[Deeeefense]

Nick Roush needs to get over himself. He can praise "Caesar" all he wants but if thinks his epistle will persuade long suffering UK fans to change they way they feel about Stoops lack of progress on the field he is living in a fantasy world. Criticism comes with the $3.5 million Stoops gets paid each each year. Fan criticism comes with every coaching position from the Pee Wee league, middle school, high school, college and the pros. To be sure, the unfounded rumors about Stoops and personal insults towards players cross the line of acceptability. and should not take place. However, such misguided juvenile expressions come from a minority of UK fans and do not define the majority of UK fans who have suffered mediocre to pathetic football for nearly six decades.

UK fans have every right to question Stoops decision making and lack of progress just like every other fan of every other program in the United States. It is in the nature of being a fan. UK is not any different from every other school when it comes to fan frustration with perennially losing football. Stoops and his assistants are being paid more money than any coaching staff in the history of the University of Kentucky. UK has spent more money on upgrading its football facilities ($110 million), than at any time since Commonwealth Stadium was built in 1973, 43 years ago.

Naturally, with this radical increase in investment dollars comes an increase in expectations that our football program will improve. Thus far it hasn't. Deplorable losses to Vandy and Louisville last year as well barely beating EKU on our home field, losing to Southern Mississippi this year coupled with the 3 previous seasons of losing football have caused many UK fans to question whether Stoops can do the job. Yet despite these failures Roush and others expect UK fans to mute their growing discontent after having to pay ever increasing prices for tickets and parking passes? Get over yourself.

The fan environment surrounding UK football is no more "toxic" than at any other school which has had suffer the ignominy being one of the perpetual bottom feeders of their conference. Stoops may be a super nice guy and trying his best but he is not being paid for these qualities alone; he is being paid to produce results and thus far he has failed. As a result, the criticism exists. He should expect it. He should also stop whining about it.

And nothing in your post is inconsistent with what I have heard Coach Stoops say, numerous times. If anything he is his own worse critic.

 

[Deeeefense]

Can someone please provide all of these "toxic attacks" on the players?

Where are they?

One post said SJ sucked at QB and the poster was admonished.

A post said Elam should go to EKU and free up a schollie and the poster was admonished.

A couple of posters are just not very bright or young, or both, and simply come across immaturely.


But where are all of these personal attacks on players?

Especially Jordan Griffin?



Fans saying the defense is awful after giving up a huge lead in the opener is not attacking a specific player.

Fans stating that the offense is shaky even after a win due to 49 yards of total passing is not attacking a specific player.


Fans stating that CMS is the not the man for the job is not an attack on a player.

Fans stating that even though we have won some games, the competition level was low, and we didnt look great doing it are not attacking a player.

Fans stating that due to the previous performances that we might not make a bowl if we continue this play is not attacking a specific player.


I am, and am not, a just-win kind of fan.

It will be great for the program if we get to 6 wins playing like we did vs Vandy.

But that doesnt mean we dont have reason to question or even criticize when there is plenty of room for improvement.

And until CMS wins a game we were not supposed to, takes us to a bowl, something - anything, then he nor his supporters have much equity to admonish those who criticize him.

CMS has not admonished "criticism" in fact if anything he is his own worse critic, rather he is pointing to morons that make disparaging comments towards players mostly on twitter but a few that pop up on the boards like you mention.

I'm not trying to sound like I'm over reacting to some of ya'lls post I just want to add clarity to CMS's comments, as to what he said and what he didn't say as the lines seem to get blurred sometimes.

 

[richbrookstomato]

This is why I hate the concept of "sure wins" and "sure losses" that fans talk themselves into.

People chalked So Miss up as a "sure win" and declared the season a failure 4 hours into it because now they can't see enough other sure wins to get us to a bowl.

Yes...Stoops lost a game he shouldn't have. It happens all the time to other teams., even 'Bama.

He may lose another one that he shouldn't....but maybe he'll beat one or two teams that he shouldn't. That's football.

Stoops should be judged at the end of season. Look at how many games he lost that he shouldn't have, and how many upsets he pulled....and then compare that to where you believe the program should be.

Still waiting for Coach Stoops to "beat one or two that he shouldn't". It's year 4 and UK Fans have YET TO SEE a BIG WIN over a ranked opponent.

You are what your record says you are. That's why our fans are so sensitive to ANY lectures from Coach Stoops at this point.

 

[HalHR2500]

Just win your fair share, you know 6 or 7 a year, cash your check, and pipe down, count your blessings.....

 

[tntuk]

What?! Where'd you get that?

Well, you lumped the pumpers into your post as if they are equally as bad as the doom and gloomers.

 

[tntuk]

Still waiting for Coach Stoops to "beat one or two that he shouldn't". It's year 4 and UK Fans have YET TO SEE a BIG WIN over a ranked opponent.

You are what your record says you are. That's why our fans are so sensitive to ANY lectures from Coach Stoops at this point.

We still have 6 games to win a "big one" this year.

 

[brianpoe]

CMS has not admonished "criticism" in fact if anything he is his own worse critic, rather he is pointing to morons that make disparaging comments towards players mostly on twitter but a few that pop up on the boards like you mention.

I'm not trying to sound like I'm over reacting to some of ya'lls post I just want to add clarity to CMS's comments, as to what he said and what he didn't say as the lines seem to get blurred sometimes.

My posts are directed at the posters and the writer of the KSR article.

I get what CMS said and it is being a bit overblown by some folks I guess, but I just haven't seen it.

I still want to see the evidence here.

If it is on twitter then those posters shaming fellow posters here need to back off and scream at twitter creeps.

As for those whining about others complaining about the offense/defense/coaching need to spend 5 minutes on a real football team's message board like Bama, LSU, or Auburn.

Those people go irate over 30 point wins.


I bet Patrick Towles parents wish he had been given half of the support from the awful criticism last year that these same people are defending against this toxic treatment that we are still waiting to see evidence of...

 

[allabouttheUK]

I know this will come as a shock to some, but this is NOT the only social media site for UK athletics....i know it's a lot to take in. Have a seat and let the shock wear off for a minute.

I do find it slightly humorous that the very vocal people on this site are the ones acting like nothing happened. Comments about the coach shouldn't call anyone out...well, last time I checked he has just as much a right as anyone else. I've read the transcript of the press conference a couple times, and I still can't find anything wrong with what he said.

He was personally attacked and slandered by "UK FANS" before the South Carolina game. He has fielded calls on the call in show about who should replace him...who TF does that?! How long would it take some of you to get over rumors about you that could kill your reputation and wreck your life? 2 weeks?

I learned a long time ago that if you act guilty, chances are you are probably guilty (or have serious self-confidence problem). So to those that are questioning him and pointing the finger at him for what was said at the press conference, maybe you should point that finger in the mirror.

Be critical of the play calling, question the results, but seriously....know your role.

 

[brianpoe]

I know this will come as a shock to some, but this is NOT the only social media site for UK athletics....i know it's a lot to take in. Have a seat and let the shock wear off for a minute.

I do find it slightly humorous that the very vocal people on this site are the ones acting like nothing happened. Comments about the coach shouldn't call anyone out...well, last time I checked he has just as much a right as anyone else. I've read the transcript of the press conference a couple times, and I still can't find anything wrong with what he said.

He was personally attacked and slandered by "UK FANS" before the South Carolina game. He has fielded calls on the call in show about who should replace him...who TF does that?! How long would it take some of you to get over rumors about you that could kill your reputation and wreck your life? 2 weeks?

I learned a long time ago that if you act guilty, chances are you are probably guilty (or have serious self-confidence problem). So to those that are questioning him and pointing the finger at him for what was said at the press conference, maybe you should point that finger in the mirror.

Be critical of the play calling, question the results, but seriously....know your role.

If it is not on here then people shouldnt accuse other posters of doing it.

If the issues are on other boards or twitter take your righteousness there and chastise away.

I have not seen one poster who supports slandering or taunting a player as an individual.

Rumors happen to high profile people, if they are not true then that is a sad act to pull. Some "fans" are classless, especially on the call in shows.

But at $4M a year and a $12M buyout I can take whatever rumor you want. Lord knows I have taken them from UKAA and they did hurt people's lives.

I'm all for the guy getting to a bowl this year and staying on. But if all 6 wins look like the Vandy game there will be issues to discuss and that's ok.

 

[allabouttheUK]

If it is not on here then people shouldnt accuse other posters of doing it.

If the issues are on other boards or twitter take your righteousness there and chastise away.

I have not seen one poster who supports slandering or taunting a player as an individual.

Rumors happen to high profile people, if they are not true then that is a sad act to pull. Some "fans" are classless, especially on the call in shows.

But at $4M a year and a $12M buyout I can take whatever rumor you want. Lord knows I have taken them from UKAA and they did hurt people's lives.

I'm all for the guy getting to a bowl this year and staying on. But if all 6 wins look like the Vandy game there will be issues to discuss and that's ok.

Think you missed my point. The vocal dissent on this board has asked several times "where, who, when", I was merely pointing out that there are plenty of other places than just here. It's not like Stoops was talking directly to anyone here...unless like I said above, they have a guilty conscience, and if so...get over it.

No amount of money excuses ruining a family or attempting to. There is ZERO excuse for the actions of one, and the hundreds of sheeple that followed along.

6 wins is 6 wins...if they managed to get to 6 and did it by 1 point per game it would be...well, sadly expected for people to continue with the bitching and moaning. I guess it's a forest and trees kinda thing for some.

 

[brianpoe]

Think you missed my point. The vocal dissent on this board has asked several times "where, who, when", I was merely pointing out that there are plenty of other places than just here. It's not like Stoops was talking directly to anyone here...unless like I said above, they have a guilty conscience, and if so...get over it.

No amount of money excuses ruining a family or attempting to. There is ZERO excuse for the actions of one, and the hundreds of sheeple that followed along.

6 wins is 6 wins...if they managed to get to 6 and did it by 1 point per game it would be...well, sadly expected for people to continue with the bitching and moaning. I guess it's a forest and trees kinda thing for some.

People are rightfully asking here.

Because the majority of the criticism on this board is about performance on the field and coaching.

Personal attacks are handled pretty well.

That doesnt stop some righteous folks claiming that fans are the problem with the W-L record or to go and root for UL if you are not satisfied.


The rumor about CMS was not started here, and in fact every mention of it was deleted for the first 48 hours.

However, once it was rampant everywhere it was open for discussion.

A very few came on and stated that a "friend" had validated the rumor. That's it.

So people need to get off of this, I will tell you I heard it before it ever came on this message board as did many others in Lexington.

6 wins is 6 wins, yes. But that doesnt mean that discussion cannot be had if we played poor football beating only teams that are having very down years.

Fans want wins and good football - Georgia will not be down every year, neither will MSU, or like we saw - Florida.

A win is a win and we will all take them but doesnt mean we cant discuss them.