KSR article on "Toxic" comments from Stoops

[allabouttheUK]

Of course there were fans that wanted it to be true.

But not to hurt CMS or his family, many saw this as a way to circumvent the terrible buyout that our bad AD put in place.

Many saw the buyout as the only item keeping CMS here had he continued to lose.


Again, my post was in reference to our message board and those on here chastising our posters for "toxic remarks" at our players.

Simply wasnt occurring.

Just because people criticize the play and/or the coaching that is not toxic or player hating.

Just because people wanted the rumor to be true so CMS could be replaced was not toxic either. Im sure most wished that our HC had a sensible buyout like all other schools not named ND, Bama, etc, instead of a nasty rumor.

But no, our AD does an NFL type deal like CMS is freaking Lombardi.


And with all due respect, you obviously do not visit other message boards if you think other program's boards are fully in support and positive of their team. Especially those in our position.

The only message boards that do not critique and fuss about their team are the ones that dont have a fanbase that cares. You probably have to visit a CUSA volleyball board to see this as an example - it wont be an SEC football team.


I'm not sure why people think that those that want a new coach do not support the program?

Do you really think this many people waste their time complaining abut something they do not care about?

Do you really think these folks would be members for years and years, watch every game and have so much knowledge of each team every season if they didnt care?

An argument could be made that those who supported BCG and Joker in the last year really didnt care about the program more than the complainers...

I don't need to visit other message boards to understand that the rest of the SEC (Vandy excluded), are crazy when it comes to football. The difference is they ALL (again, aside from Vandy) have football history. So if they finish 8-4 or don't win their division they all go nuts.
I guess I'm just still stuck on what people expected. It's like a lot of people thought it was going to be a quick fix and happen in a couple years because "he got his players in here". How well you think a true FR is gonna do lined up against a rsSR?
People let what goes on 80 miles to the west cloud their reasoning, and act like what's happening there was instant. Look at the UofL history and it will show a slow and steady rise with some bumps from the early 90's until now.
I'm not saying Stoops is the guy, all I'm saying is let things play out. We are building from the ground up, not reloading or rebuilding...we are building. It's not a quick process and it's not an easy process.

As for Joker and BCG, I didn't know they had many supporters their last year at their respective program.

Some want flashy and instant no matter how long it lasts, and others want to just freakin win, and make it last for years. Give me 8-10 wins a year consistently and I'll be happy, but I know and knew that it wasn't going to happen in two years or four years...the foundation has to be set before we can get there and it's not a pretty process to build.

We were lucky to have 5 wins last year with all the drama on team and the issues with the coaching staff.

We were lucky to have 5 wins the season before as well.

We lost a good O.C. to a H.C. position, no blame there. Dawson was a gamble that didn't pay off because Gran wasn't ready and others said no.

We have the staff in place aside for Eliot to have a winning program, just give them more than a minute to produce results.

 

[tntuk]

I hope you are correct. But can you name one half-way big upset that we have won in the last 4 years?

I agree we can get to 6. MSU, Missou and AP are not what I would call upsets that we didnt think we could win.

CMS needs to win a couple of these types of "win that we didn't think we would" games vs a down UGA or someone, and not necessarily this year but sometime, we missed with a down UF and Auburn.

I can't name one unfortunately and I do agree with you. But I'm seeing progress on the field since the 2nd half of NMST for the first time in his tenure here at UK. Really encouraging to see the defense get off the field, and our offense controlling clock with an effective run game.

Last 3 games in 33 possessions our D has only given up just 4 TDs. 3 were against the #1 team in the country and a team that averages over 40 points a game.

The key is keeping the progress up.

 

[UK90]

This X 1000. Go over to the Texas board and see if you think they are toxic. I remember Bama fans throwing a brick through Bill Curry's window, and Mike Dubose, "Coach Doober" and "The Flop from Opp" and he was an alum, played for one of Bryant's NC. What about Cardinal fans and "Coach Krap"? Did that "help" the program, seems like it may have done so, since they hired two big winners since then.

And the funny thing is I believe that happened to Curry at a time when his team was 10-1 ...because the one loss was to Auburn. Seriously, Bama fans ran Curry out of town after a regular season in which he went 10-1, won the SEC Championship, and was named the SEC Coach of the Year ...THAT was his final season in Tuscaloosa. Think about that for a moment.

Our fan base can't even touch Bama fans in the "negative toxicity" department when things aren't going well.

 

[brianpoe]

I don't need to visit other message boards to understand that the rest of the SEC (Vandy excluded), are crazy when it comes to football. The difference is they ALL (again, aside from Vandy) have football history. So if they finish 8-4 or don't win their division they all go nuts.
I guess I'm just still stuck on what people expected. It's like a lot of people thought it was going to be a quick fix and happen in a couple years because "he got his players in here". How well you think a true FR is gonna do lined up against a rsSR?
People let what goes on 80 miles to the west cloud their reasoning, and act like what's happening there was instant. Look at the UofL history and it will show a slow and steady rise with some bumps from the early 90's until now.
I'm not saying Stoops is the guy, all I'm saying is let things play out. We are building from the ground up, not reloading or rebuilding...we are building. It's not a quick process and it's not an easy process.

As for Joker and BCG, I didn't know they had many supporters their last year at their respective program.

Some want flashy and instant no matter how long it lasts, and others want to just freakin win, and make it last for years. Give me 8-10 wins a year consistently and I'll be happy, but I know and knew that it wasn't going to happen in two years or four years...the foundation has to be set before we can get there and it's not a pretty process to build.

We were lucky to have 5 wins last year with all the drama on team and the issues with the coaching staff.

We were lucky to have 5 wins the season before as well.

We lost a good O.C. to a H.C. position, no blame there. Dawson was a gamble that didn't pay off because Gran wasn't ready and others said no.

We have the staff in place aside for Eliot to have a winning program, just give them more than a minute to produce results.

So there is the crux of the issue - quick fix

You think people wanting 6 wins in year 4 and not losing 3 TD leads at home to CUSA teams are wanting a quick fix?

You think we were lucky to win 5 the last 2 years but yet what major upsets did we have to gain those 5?

You think losing the last 6 (minus D2 teams) were normal progression or losing 3 TD lead at home to UL was ok.


Add to the fact that our division has never been more down than the last 4 years.

The fact that you are ok with the mediocrity after 4 years along with the SEC being down all 4 years, along with zero upsets is the issue here.

Your acceptance of these facts as ok is the difference in you and many others.


And UL's slow climb?


Again, you are showing a lack of knowledge on other programs.

Jurich fired Cooper after 3 years.

Jurich fired Kragthorpe after 3 years - with more wins than CMS.


They kept searching to find the right coach without allowing the wrong one to drag them too far down so the next staff had a chance.

The turnover has really killed that commuter school's football team...

 

[brianpoe]

I can't name one unfortunately and I do agree with you. But I'm seeing progress on the field since the 2nd half of NMST for the first time in his tenure here at UK. Really encouraging to see the defense get off the field, and our offense controlling clock with an effective run game.

Last 3 games in 33 possessions our D has only given up just 4 TDs. 3 were against the #1 team in the country and a team that averages over 40 points a game.

The key is keeping the progress up.

I agree with our current progress. Was hoping to see it game one vs a CUSA team with more progression by midseason.

Can we continue to do this?

Can we play well and beat MSU and Missou, neither are not very good this year?

Can we play with UGA who is obviously down?

There is obviously improvement on defense, how much is us and how much was the competition will play itself out.

 

[tntuk]

I agree with our current progress. Was hoping to see it game one vs a CUSA team with more progression by midseason.

Can we continue to do this?

Can we play well and beat MSU and Missou are not very good this year?

Can we play with UGA who is obviously down?

There is obviously improvement on defense, how much is us and how much was the competition will play itself out.

Agreed. I do see good offenses in Mizzou, UGA (altho mostly one-dimensional), UT (in the 2nd half - lol) and UL. So in the 2 games we have a decent shot in, Mizzou and UGA, we will be tested and will serve as a good measuring stick for how much progress we've made.

Miss St struggles on O and AP will struggle against UKs D (most likely). I think we win these two, and we need to pluck at least one of the 4 above.

Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. But I'm a bit more optimistic than I was after the first 2.5 games, that's for sure.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

So there is the crux of the issue - quick fix

You think people wanting 6 wins in year 4 and not losing 3 TD leads at home to CUSA teams is wanting a quick fix?

You think we were lucky to win 5 the last 2 years but yet what major upsets did we have to gain those 5?

You think losing the last 6 (minus D2 teams) were normal progression or losing 3 TD lead at home to UL was ok.


Add to the fact that our division has never been more down than the last 4 years.

The fact that you are ok with the mediocrity after 4 years along with the SEC being down all 4 years, along with zero upsets is the issue here.

Your acceptance of these facts as ok is the difference in you and many others.


And UL's slow climb?


Again, you are showing a lack of knowledge on other programs.

Jurich fired Cooper after 3 years.

Jurich fired Kragthorpe after 3 years - with more wins than CMS.


They kept searching to find the right coach without allowing the wrong one to drag them too far down so the next staff had a chance.

The turnover has really killed that commuter school's football team...

Apples and oranges...and I am not arguing for or against Stoops. He has to own his record himself.

But the apples and oranges is really just concerning the comparison of Stoops and Kragthorpe. Krag took over a successful UL program and trended downward...Stoops took over a 2-10 and raised the win total slightly. Not a great comparison

 

[Deeeefense]

It boils down to a simple binary choice. You can support the head coach who pointed out that a few people calling themselves fans are not helping his team move forward with their toxic negative comments directed at players, OR you can take up for those making the toxic negative comments and criticize the head coach.

I also find it ironic that some of those whining the loudest over Coach Stoops comment, are the same ones saying Coach Stoops should just blow off any toxic negative comments directed at his players. Perhaps they should take their own advise.

 

[TankedCat]

It boils down to a simple binary choice. You can support the head coach who pointed out that a few people calling themselves fans are not helping his team move forward with their toxic negative comments directed at players, OR you can take up for those making the toxic negative comments and criticize the head coach.

I also find it ironic that some of those whining the loudest over Coach Stoops comment, are the same ones saying Coach Stoops should just blow off any toxic negative comments directed at his players. Perhaps they should take their own advise.

I'm not sure those fans are hindering the players moving forward.

 

[stuway]

I guess I've become negative. I don't see us winning maybe but 1 of the next 3 games. We may beat miss St but Ga and Mizz I will be surprised.

It will a take care of itself this season. Even with the buyout if we only win 1 or 2 more games, gotta think he is gone and the boosters and admin will figure out the buyout. If he wins 3 or 4 more, he will stay and the negative folks like myself will eat crowe and be happy to do so, IMO that ain't happening.

Truly good coaches can rather easily turn programs around within 4 years. Did any of you all see the Sports center piece on WMUs coach last night?? Seeing the behind the seems and how he handles himself, you can easily see how he turned things around. Good coaches just have that certain something when they speak, very similar to Houston's coach, same attitude and ability to LEAD. I believe this is where Stoops unfortunately lacks. He doesn't posses that attitude and ability to motivate and lead.

Now with all that said. I hope I'm dead wrong and can be swayed away from being a negative fan at the present. The only way that is gonna happen is wins on the field. It's win or go away time for our football coach.

 

[brianpoe]

It boils down to a simple binary choice. You can support the head coach who pointed out that a few people calling themselves fans are not helping his team move forward with their toxic negative comments directed at players, OR you can take up for those making the toxic negative comments and criticize the head coach.

I also find it ironic that some of those whining the loudest over Coach Stoops comment, are the same ones saying Coach Stoops should just blow off any toxic negative comments directed at his players. Perhaps they should take their own advise.

Totally disagree, I have not seen one post taking up for any toxic comments, tweets, or messages directed at players.

We all seem to be in agreement that those are inexcusable.


The conversation seems to have changed since the lack of evidence regarding this type of rhetoric has not been found here.

The goalposts have moved as it now seems to be the definition of "toxic".

Apparently anything less than 100% endorsement of CMS is now considered toxic.

I can't get onboard with that brother.

 

[jauk11]

And the funny thing is I believe that happened to Curry at a time when his team was 10-1 ...because the one loss was to Auburn. Seriously, Bama fans ran Curry out of town after a regular season in which he went 10-1, won the SEC Championship, and was named the SEC Coach of the Year ...THAT was his final season in Tuscaloosa. Think about that for a moment.

Our fan base can't even touch Bama fans in the "negative toxicity" department when things aren't going well.

True, but the amazing thing about Curry to me was BOTH teams won a NC with senior classes he recruited. GT was horrible and Bama below mediocre when he took over.

 

[UK90]

True, but the amazing thing about Curry to me was BOTH teams won a NC with senior classes he recruited.

Yep. I recall Bama fans got crucified in the national media for how they treated Curry after a 10 win season and SEC title. The sportswriter world at the time ranted about how Bama fans were delusional morons who'd just chased off a great coach.

But guess what? Turns out Bama fans we're right: Stallings came in and promptly won them a national championship, meanwhile Curry went and sucked it up horribly here at UK. I guess sometimes the crazy delusional fans know best.

 

[allabouttheUK]

So there is the crux of the issue - quick fix

You think people wanting 6 wins in year 4 and not losing 3 TD leads at home to CUSA teams are wanting a quick fix?

Judging by the expectations, and continued comments about the success of UofL, yes.

You think we were lucky to win 5 the last 2 years but yet what major upsets did we have to gain those 5?

I say luck because of where we were the year before. The jump from 2 to 5 implanted unrealistic expectations...imo.

You think losing the last 6 (minus D2 teams) were normal progression or losing 3 TD lead at home to UL was ok.

No. I think that was a staff that wasn't together and a fist time HC finding his way. The staff hasn't been cohesive since he arrived. O.C. turnover along with the pathetic D.C.
All those have been rectified as of right now.


Add to the fact that our division has never been more down than the last 4 years.

The fact that you are ok with the mediocrity after 4 years along with the SEC being down all 4 years, along with zero upsets is the issue here.

Not ok with mediocrity, but I realize you have to crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run. BUILDING is not an easy or quick process.

Your acceptance of these facts as ok is the difference in you and many others.


And UL's slow climb?

Had to go luck to make sure I wasn't completely off, and I wasn't. It's been a slow and not entirely steady climb for UofL since H. Schnellenberger was there.

Again, you are showing a lack of knowledge on other programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville_Cardinals_football

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ducks_football

Hell, you can even look at Miami. My point is it takes time to build, it doesn't happen in a year.

Jurich fired Cooper after 3 years.

Three straight years of decline following a successful period. He should have been fired.

Jurich fired Kragthorpe after 3 years - with more wins than CMS.

Same as above, 3 straight years of decline following success.

They kept searching to find the right coach without allowing the wrong one to drag them too far down so the next staff had a chance.

Those two that you mentioned above drug them pretty far down before they were let go. A lot of the success for Louisville should be accredited to their taking other schools problems, not an excuse just a fact.

The turnover has really killed that commuter school's football team...
You would be hard pressed to find a program that isn't a tradition power find sustained success without plateaus or setbacks along the way. Duke would be another example along with UofL, Oregon, and Miami.

I hope you better understand my thought process and reasoning now. I'm not for mediocrity, and if we take steps backwards then I am all for replacing Stoops, but we haven't taken a step back as of yet. As for the Southern Miss debacle, should Miss St fire Mullen for what happened their first game of the season? It happens and happens just about everywhere once a year. Not excusing it, just saying it's not the end of the world or a reason to throw in the towel just yet.

 

[jauk11]

I'm not sure those fans are hindering the players moving forward.

No, but they ARE hindering getting those players MUCH needed help. Stoops WILL be here next year, mitch is all about the dollar even if he has cost us millions. get over yourself and quit hurting the program-------trolls excluded of course, which may mean no one quits.

 

[richbrookstomato]

Dan Mullen has earned the forgiveness of his fans for slipping, Mark Stoops has not. When Coach Stoops gets UK Football ranked #1 in the country, he can have a slip. Heck, Coach Stoops has yet to beat a ranked team.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Dan Mullen has earned the forgiveness of his fans for slipping, Mark Stoops has not. When Coach Stoops gets UK Football ranked #1 in the country, he can have a slip. Heck, Coach Stoops has yet to beat a ranked team.

Missouri was ranked last year when they came to Commonwealth. We beat them and they dropped out.

 

[JHB4UK]

Ha, knew when I heard the comment on the way home from the game Sat night this would be a raging topic through the off week. Is their toxic attacking of players on this board on this site, not that I've observed. But I don't have HOB access, don't know what is said there. Don't know what is said on any of the other UK sports message boards over the last 6 weeks....or blogs....or facebook....or twitter....or instagram. can any of you claim that you monitor all those outlets, and can certify the discussion towards UK players is clean?

pretty damn big area to police & declare as clean boys. Stoops felt it was such an issue, he mentioned it, and a players parent confirmed it was happening. so what exactly is the debate, lol?

 

[jauk11]

Yep. I recall Bama fans got crucified in the national media for how they treated Curry after a 10 win season and SEC title. The sportswriter world at the time ranted about how Bama fans were delusional morons who'd just chased off a great coach.

But guess what? Turns out Bama fans we're right: Stallings came in and promptly won them a national championship, meanwhile Curry went and sucked it up horribly here at UK. I guess sometimes the crazy delusional fans know best.

As I amended the post, BOTH of his teams won NCs with his seniors. Coincidence?

 

[brianpoe]

I hope you better understand my thought process and reasoning now. I'm not for mediocrity, and if we take steps backwards then I am all for replacing Stoops, but we haven't taken a step back as of yet. As for the Southern Miss debacle, should Miss St fire Mullen for what happened their first game of the season? It happens and happens just about everywhere once a year. Not excusing it, just saying it's not the end of the world or a reason to throw in the towel just yet.

Dan Mullen?

C'me on man.

Mullen took over a team that was 4-8 the previous year.

His first year they go 5-7.

Then - 9 wins, 7, 8, 7, 10, and 9.

This is in the big boy division.

The guy beat UGA and Florida in year 2.

Was in Top 20 in year 3.

Led them to #1 in both polls in 2014


You want to compare this guy to CMS?

Really?

What SEC team has Stoops beat not named USCjr, Vandy or Missouri?

Besides us, who are the 3 worst SEC teams?

 

[allabouttheUK]

Dan Mullen?

C'me on man.

Mullen took over a team that 4-8 the previous year.

His first year they go 5-7.

Then - 9 wins, 7, 8, 7, 10, and 9.

This is in the big boy division.

The guy beat UGA and Florida in year 2.

Was in Top 20 in year 3.

Led them to #1 in both polls in 2014


You want to compare this guy to CMS?

Really?

What SEC team has Stoops beat not named USCjr, Vandy or Missouri?

Besides us, who are the 3 worst SEC teams?

I don't guess you read the other part of my post. The one I answered to from you was so long and had so many questions I put my reply's in bold in your post.
I'll give you Vandy, and even USCeast to an extent, but Missouri was coming off back to back East division titles. Please go back and read my responses to each of your questions/comments.
My throwing Mullen is was to show that he has had a successful program and lost at home to a less that CUSA opponent. He has and has had much more to work with at Miss St than what Stoops has had a UK. So with those obvious things on the table, who should get more heat for losing to a lower tier school?
I'd also add that this year shows what one amazing QB can do for a school. Dak-less Miss St isn't quite the same, and UofL is riding high thanks to Jackson, and not much else. Those types of talents don't come around often for a school.

 

[brianpoe]

I don't guess you read the other part of my post. The one I answered to from you was so long and had so many questions I put my reply's in bold in your post.
I'll give you Vandy, and even USCeast to an extent, but Missouri was coming off back to back East division titles. Please go back and read my responses to each of your questions/comments.
My throwing Mullen is was to show that he has had a successful program and lost at home to a less that CUSA opponent. He has and has had much more to work with at Miss St than what Stoops has had a UK. So with those obvious things on the table, who should get more heat for losing to a lower tier school?
I'd also add that this year shows what one amazing QB can do for a school. Dak-less Miss St isn't quite the same, and UofL is riding high thanks to Jackson, and not much else. Those types of talents don't come around often for a school.

I did miss your responses in the quote section. Some good points there.


As to this one:

Missouri lost 7 of their last 9 the season we beat them...

You know all to well Mullen has earned a ton of equity.

CMS winning 5 games the last 2 years against bad teams has not earned any.


Totally agree that a Dak can make a huge difference. We need SJ to channel some Dak the rest of the way...

 

[UK90]

As I amended the post, BOTH of his teams won NCs with his seniors. Coincidence?

I'm not certain what the point is you're trying to make here. Perhaps you could clarify. I do agree that it's quite interesting how, in both places, his recruits went on to win a title without him as seniors. But I'm not sure what exactly that says about Curry.

If you're suggesting it means he was a good coach steering programs on a path toward a title, all I can say is that I agree that Curry sure looked like a good coach at Georgia Tech and Alabama, but he looked like a horrible coach here at UK. Which version is closer to truth I don't know.

And, of course, the question is whether those seniors would've had the same success if Curry had stayed. Maybe him leaving is precisely the reason those programs were able to get over the top and win a title.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I did miss your responses in the quote section. Some good points there.


As to this one:

Missouri lost 7 of their last 9 the season we beat them...

You know all to well Mullen has earned a ton of equity.

CMS winning 5 games the last 2 years against bad teams has not earned any.


Totally agree that a Dak can make a huge difference. We need SJ to channel some Dak the rest of the way...

Yeah, Missouri imploded, but that Missouri team was ranked coming into Commonwealth, and coming off an SEC East title. Could we say that we sucked the life out of them and sent them on their spiral? Close to the same thing with USClite the year before. Not saying it changes anything, but at the time of both of those games they were respected and but in the possible/doubtful column by people. Now if we are to say that well they ended the season sucking, well....let's let this season play out [winking].

Yes, Mullen is a good coach and earned quite a bit of equity and I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying he walked into a much better situation at Miss St, and has had them ranked #1 at some point and consistently competitive, so is it more forgivable to lay the horrendous egg they laid in the opener, or for a coach and program like UK? Did that makes sense? I almost confused myself.

You can't help who your competition is. You have to play the schedule, right. 2-5-5-YTBD...on paper that is progress, and this year isn't in the books, that's all I'm saying.

I enjoy going back and forth with you, because you don't take it personal, respect differing opinions, and give and take.

 

[billoliver40]

Winning against State, Missouri, Austin Peay and a struggling Georgia and the board will be ecstatic UNTIL Tennessee and Louisville roll around.

pumpers gonna pump, haters gonna hate.


IF this team had shown this fairly newly found grit and grind against Southern Miss and Florida, we likely have one more win but a lot less furor. Maybe.

Fact is Stoops recruiting classes have been top thirty in the nation, but at the bottom of the SEC. Innovation as far as offense doesn't seem his strong point....so it will take a lot longer than any of us want to be able to man up against the bIg dogs of this conference, who sit four and five star recruits until they develop even more.

 

[RackOps]

Beating Spurrier two years ago was an upset....that team had beat #6 Georgia two weeks prior. If I am not mistaken, beating USC last year was also an upset.

Beating a ranked Mizzou team last year was an upset.


Now...that is pulling way back looking upset wins but more than one person is saying that Stoops has never scored an upset, and that isn't true.

So far Stoops is one game back from where the vast majority thought he would be. Lets see how the rest of the season plays out before we declare him Joker 2.0.

 

[Rawrrr]

Stoops may be a super nice guy and trying his best but he is not being paid for these qualities alone; he is being paid to produce results and thus far he has failed.

And being paid SEVEN TIMES the salary of the President of the United States to produce failure, think about that for a while.

 

[allabouttheUK]

And being paid SEVEN TIMES the salary of the President of the United States to produce failure, think about that for a while.

Apples and oranges. Where does his salary rank among SEC coaches?

 

[brianpoe]

Yeah, Missouri imploded, but that Missouri team was ranked coming into Commonwealth, and coming off an SEC East title. Could we say that we sucked the life out of them and sent them on their spiral? Close to the same thing with USClite the year before. Not saying it changes anything, but at the time of both of those games they were respected and but in the possible/doubtful column by people. Now if we are to say that well they ended the season sucking, well....let's let this season play out [winking].

Yes, Mullen is a good coach and earned quite a bit of equity and I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying he walked into a much better situation at Miss St, and has had them ranked #1 at some point and consistently competitive, so is it more forgivable to lay the horrendous egg they laid in the opener, or for a coach and program like UK? Did that makes sense? I almost confused myself.

You can't help who your competition is. You have to play the schedule, right. 2-5-5-YTBD...on paper that is progress, and this year isn't in the books, that's all I'm saying.

I enjoy going back and forth with you, because you don't take it personal, respect differing opinions, and give and take.

Good points.

All good brother, enjoy the conversation. I'd be more than happy to see this staff really turn it on. I'm really concerned that although CMS can do more he may have a ceiling that other coaches dont. I've always been willing to wait until the end of the season.

 

[brianpoe]

Beating Spurrier two years ago was an upset....that team had beat #6 Georgia two weeks prior. If I am not mistaken, beating USC last year was also an upset.

Beating a ranked Mizzou team last year was an upset.


Now...that is pulling way back looking upset wins but more than one person is saying that Stoops has never scored an upset, and that isn't true.

So far Stoops is one game back from where the vast majority thought he would be. Lets see how the rest of the season plays out before we declare him Joker 2.0.

Both USCjr games the cocks were favored by 7.

UK was favored over Missouri last year (3). Tigers lost 7 out of last 9 with only one SEC win all year.

Last year USCjr was injury riddled and just not that good. They beat only Vandy in the SEC going 3-9.

So looking back, we have 1 real upset in the waining years of Spurrier - who 2 years ago passed the ball like an idiot to lose the game.

Although it was definitley a big win. let's be honest, we havent had a big upset or even mediocre upset yet. The 2014 USCjr game is the closest and any football knowledgable fan could see SS pissing that one away - although we will gladly take it.



No one has called him Joker 2.0 and many of us are waiting to see how the season plays out.

 

[billoliver40]

The end of the season will come soon enough. As it stands today....or maybe this minute...this team has a legit shot against Missouri, a fifty fifty against Miss State, and a should be a breather against Austin Peay. Georgia is a long long shot......they have a bunch of talent that is due to come together. Tennessee and Louisville are very good teams...and ironically could end up playing against each other in a big bowl....THEN who could I pull for?.
Win the three we have the best chance in, and bowl time.
Scariest thing....this is the time of year the past seasons when Stoops teams have shut down. If he can keep this from happening, then I believe he has finally turned a corner.
If it happens again, the school has got to take a long hard look at what the future of the program may be.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Good points.

All good brother, enjoy the conversation. I'd more than happy to see this staff really turn it on. I'm really concerned that although CMS can do more he may have a ceiling that other coaches dont. I've always been willing to wait until the end of the season.

See, we just showed all these other posters how it's done! Hope all you boys and girls are taking notes. j/k

:cheers2: to ya, @brianpoe

 

[sluggercatfan]

I don't guess you read the other part of my post. The one I answered to from you was so long and had so many questions I put my reply's in bold in your post.
I'll give you Vandy, and even USCeast to an extent, but Missouri was coming off back to back East division titles. Please go back and read my responses to each of your questions/comments.
My throwing Mullen is was to show that he has had a successful program and lost at home to a less that CUSA opponent. He has and has had much more to work with at Miss St than what Stoops has had a UK. So with those obvious things on the table, who should get more heat for losing to a lower tier school?
I'd also add that this year shows what one amazing QB can do for a school. Dak-less Miss St isn't quite the same, and UofL is riding high thanks to Jackson, and not much else. Those types of talents don't come around often for a school.

Mizzou was a train wreck with all that was going on around that program and on the campus last year.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Mizzou was a train wreck with all that was going on around that program and on the campus last year.

That doesn't change the fact that they were still IN the top 25 when they walked into Commonwealth. Not arguing that the program went into a tail spin last year, but facts are facts.

 

[brianpoe]

That doesn't change the fact that they were still IN the top 25 when they walked into Commonwealth. Not arguing that the program went into a tail spin last year, but facts are facts.

True, however, rankings mean nothing until well into the season.

Also U.K. was still favored that game.

 

[JHB4UK]

Mizzou was a train wreck with all that was going on around that program and on the campus last year.

not at the time UK played them. the boycott threat by the team due to racial unrest on the campus did not occur until early November.

 

[allabouttheUK]

True, however, rankings mean nothing until well into the season.

Also U.K. was still favored that game.

They were? I thought that game had Missouri by 3 at kickoff? If UK was favored, then that's my mistake.

 

[shutzhund]

I'm not sure those fans are hindering the players moving forward.

They sure as hell aren't helping or do you think the rumors about Stoops, etc. are constructive criticism.

 

[brianpoe]

They were? I thought that game had Missouri by 3 at kickoff? If UK was favored, then that's my mistake.

We ended up favored by 3.

Here is one that has us -2.5

http://tireball.com/ncaafb/2015/09/...s-betting-odds-point-spread-and-tv-streaming/

 

[Deeeefense]

The data base I keep had it at UK -2 1/2