KSR article on "Toxic" comments from Stoops

[BlueRunner11]

It boils down to a simple binary choice. You can support the head coach who pointed out that a few people calling themselves fans are not helping his team move forward with their toxic negative comments directed at players, OR you can take up for those making the toxic negative comments and criticize the head coach.

I also find it ironic that some of those whining the loudest over Coach Stoops comment, are the same ones saying Coach Stoops should just blow off any toxic negative comments directed at his players. Perhaps they should take their own advise.

I don't think it's a matter of choosing sides at all, most rational posters that disagree with Stoops comments also disagree with idiots attacking players on Twitter.

The point is this, there's an extremely small percentage that in no way are representative of the fan base and should simply be ignored by Stoops, the players, and the rest of us fans.

 

[TankedCat]

They sure as hell aren't helping or do you think the rumors about Stoops, etc. are constructive criticism.

I don't think its binary, I think its negligible. Its like a 350 pound man losing 5 pounds and asking if people noticed.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I don't think its binary, I think its negligible. Its like a 350 pound man losing 5 pounds and asking if people noticed.

This entire situation reminds me of something our drill instructors taught us very early on...one bad apples can spoil it for the whole group.

That's why it should be our duty at least on this site to hold each other accountable for what we post. I think this site has done a good job for the most part, a few have gotten through the cracks, but you can't catch them all as they happen.

Everybody always pays attention to the loud lunatic rather than the silent stalker, ya know what I'm saying?

 

[brianpoe]

This entire situation reminds me of something our drill instructors taught us very early on...one bad apples can spoil it for the whole group.

That's why it should be our duty at least on this site to hold each other accountable for what we post. I think this site has done a good job for the most part, a few have gotten through the cracks, but you can't catch them all as they happen.

Everybody always pays attention to the loud lunatic rather than the silent stalker, ya know what I'm saying?

I get what you are saying but can you provide a thread or post as an example that we should be policing?

We definitley have some simplemindedness here and I have no problem calling them out.

 

[TankedCat]

This entire situation reminds me of something our drill instructors taught us very early on...one bad apples can spoil it for the whole group.

That's why it should be our duty at least on this site to hold each other accountable for what we post. I think this site has done a good job for the most part, a few have gotten through the cracks, but you can't catch them all as they happen.

Everybody always pays attention to the loud lunatic rather than the silent stalker, ya know what I'm saying?

I hear what you are saying but this isn't a "we're only as strong as our weakest link" kinda thing.

We could be 6-0 right now and someone on twitter would be dogging a player for something. A UK fan? A psychopath? A troll? who knows? Its not like being a UK fan comes with a set of rules that have to be adhered to or you'll lose your membership card. Fan is a very fluid definition when it comes to interaction on twitter, or even a message board for that matter.

Now as for the rumor about Stoops, I didn't know about it until it was mentioned on here, and then I had to go (had being loosely used here) to some Louisville/UK thing on face book to even learn what it was. But that rumor wasn't just the twittersphere. Twitter idiots don't get run by the SID in UK. That rumor had some legs, legit or not - and it wasn't being propped up by the "you suck go back to Akron" twitter dweebs.

The bottom line is the only people that are being controlled by twitter are the people that live in that world. Hence, why I say again, players and parents would be much happier and better served if they stopped looking to social media for gratification and get pissed off when 1 out 10 (or 100) responses dumps on them.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I hear what you are saying but this isn't a "we're only as strong as our weakest link" kinda thing.

We could be 6-0 right now and someone on twitter would be dogging a player for something. A UK fan? A psychopath? A troll? who knows? Its not like being a UK fan comes with a set of rules that have to be adhered to or you'll lose your membership card. Fan is a very fluid definition when it comes to interaction on twitter, or even a message board for that matter.

Now as for the rumor about Stoops, I didn't know about it until it was mentioned on here, and then I had to go (had being loosely used here) to some Louisville/UK thing on face book to even learn what it was. But that rumor wasn't just the twittersphere. Twitter idiots don't get run by the SID in UK. That rumor had some legs, legit or not - and it wasn't being propped up by the "you suck go back to Akron" twitter dweebs.

The bottom line is the only people that are being controlled by twitter are the people that live in that world. Hence, why I say again, players and parents would be much happier and better served if they stopped looking to social media for gratification and get pissed off when 1 out 10 (or 100) responses dumps on them.

To be perfectly honest, we'd all be a lot better off without social media. It has done nothing but create a society that needs instant gratification. Not much good comes from social media. It's the technological equivalent of high school drama. It's given idiots a voice that should never have a voice. It's created this false sense of self worth/importance for many, as well as the sick false self importance. I want even begin on what is done for learning..."saw it on facebook/twitter/google it must be true". The days of research and real learning are fading away.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I get what you are saying but can you provide a thread or post as an example that we should be policing?

We definitley have some simplemindedness here and I have no problem calling them out.

I said this site has done a good job of keeping that type of crap off of here. Like one of the mods said a few days ago, they can't catch them all as they happen.
Example would be the rumor thread (both of them). One was started and removed and then another one formed that went for a day or so.

Not being critical here, just saying we as fans have a responsibility as well. I don't believe using the "well every other fan base" excuse is valid. I wouldn't let my kids get away with that excuse so why should adults (for the most part) get a pass?

 

[JHB4UK]

Anyone who claims to know how 121 other d1 program's fanbases behave & pretends to speak with authority that UK's behaves better or no worst than any other is not to be taken seriously

 

[brianpoe]

I said this site has done a good job of keeping that type of crap off of here. Like one of the mods said a few days ago, they can't catch them all as they happen.
Example would be the rumor thread (both of them). One was started and removed and then another one formed that went for a day or so.

Not being critical here, just saying we as fans have a responsibility as well. I don't believe using the "well every other fan base" excuse is valid. I wouldn't let my kids get away with that excuse so why should adults (for the most part) get a pass?

Multiple threads were deleted.

The first rumor thread that was posted and stayed on the board was started by me. And not to add any credibility to it or intensify it.

I only started it because EVERY other site had discussions about it by that time and I simply linked to those sites in my post because our Mods were getting pounded by the constant deletions.

JRow interjected on the thread, and I agreed, that there were no reports by the media and that it was all unsubstantiated rumors.

But when the discussion had gotten so huge it was foolish to not let our members discuss it. This isn't daycare.

BTW, this "awful" rumor had been heard around Lexington for a couple weeks prior to that weekend, just so you know. That doesnt make it true whatsoever.

 

[brianpoe]

Anyone who claims to know how 121 other d1 program's fanbases behave & pretends to speak with authority that UK's behaves better or no worst than any other is not to be taken seriously

You dont have to go to all 121, just the SEC ones are enough. Not sure why you are taking this stand as you know as well as anyone here how other sites can get...

 

[Deeeefense]

Anyone who claims to know how 121 other d1 program's fanbases behave & pretends to speak with authority that UK's behaves better or no worst than any other is not to be taken seriously

The way I see it fans acting badly at other programs is not an excuse for our fans to flame players on twitter or elsewhere. Nothing good can come from it.

 

[brianpoe]

The way I see it fans acting badly at other programs is not an excuse for our fans to flame players on twitter or elsewhere. Nothing good can come from it.

Where does this crap come from?

You cant find one person who said that "flame players on twitter or elsewhere" was a good thing. 100% have denounced it.

This discussion is about the message board affecting the program and recruiting, the argument is that all message boards have this type of criticisms. Nothing to do with flaming players on social media.


I'm really getting tired of the changing discussion.

You and I go waaaay back, but like your binary post of "either you are on or you are off" this is totally off base.



Goodness this toxic crap is about as bad as the election with family and friends fighting.

I really dont like the back and forth with long time pals over this stuff.

 

[Deeeefense]

This discussion is about the message board affecting the program and recruiting, the argument is that all message boards have this type of criticisms. Nothing to do with flaming players on social media.

The title of the thread is:
KSR article on "Toxic" comments from Stoops

His comments were towards social media in general not just the boards. Some have pointed to ugly attacks towards players on other teams' site as a reason Stoops should just "blow it off" "it comes with the turff" etc. My point was simply that it isn't an excuse.

Something tells me all of this is a reverberation of the meltdown against SMU and the no-show at Gainsville, but that's water under the dam now. We are 2-2 in conference and actually have a decent chance to win 4 conference games this year - something we haven't done in nearly 20 years. If it weren't for the first 2 games this year I suspect this discussion wouldn't exist.

 

[Kampus Korner_rivals164031]

I get what you are saying but can you provide a thread or post as an example that we should be policing?

We definitley have some simplemindedness here and I have no problem calling them out.

I agree that the regular posters do a pretty good job of "policing" the miscreants. The problem of course with anonymous Internet message boards is that you might be trying to "police" a 12 year old.

 

[jauk11]

The title of the thread is:
KSR article on "Toxic" comments from Stoops

His comments were towards social media in general not just the boards. Some have pointed to ugly attacks towards players on other teams' site as a reason Stoops should just "blow it off" "it comes with the turff" etc. My point was simply that it isn't an excuse.

Something tells me all of this is a reverberation of the meltdown against SMU and the no-show at Gainsville, but that's water under the dam now. We are 2-2 in conference and actually have a decent chance to win 4 conference games this year - something we haven't done in nearly 20 years. If it weren't for the first 2 games this year I suspect this discussion wouldn't exist.

I love your insight, but UK was 4-4 in 06, only the third break even year since 78 I believe.

 

[BBBLazing]

Where does this crap come from?

You cant find one person who said that "flame players on twitter or elsewhere" was a good thing. 100% have denounced it.

This discussion is about the message board affecting the program and recruiting, the argument is that all message boards have this type of criticisms. Nothing to do with flaming players on social media.


I'm really getting tired of the changing discussion.

You and I go waaaay back, but like your binary post of "either you are on or you are off" this is totally off base.



Goodness this toxic crap is about as bad as the election with family and friends fighting.

I really dont like the back and forth with long time pals over this stuff.

I distinctly remember people on here encouraging others to tweet Harris when he chose Alabama.

 

[brianpoe]

I distinctly remember people on here encouraging others to tweet Harris when he chose Alabama.

Then those people were immature idiots and those posts should have been deleted.

But that is still not our own players.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Multiple threads were deleted.

The first rumor thread that was posted and stayed on the board was started by me. And not to add any credibility to it or intensify it.

I only started it because EVERY other site had discussions about it by that time and I simply linked to those sites in my post because our Mods were getting pounded by the constant deletions.

JRow interjected on the thread, and I agreed, that there were no reports by the media and that it was all unsubstantiated rumors.

But when the discussion had gotten so huge it was foolish to not let our members discuss it. This isn't daycare.

BTW, this "awful" rumor had been heard around Lexington for a couple weeks prior to that weekend, just so you know. That doesnt make it true whatsoever.

I don't get why you are so defensive about this? Nothing in my post pointed the finger at anyone. I didn't know who started either thread or don't/didn't really care. I stated that this site has done a good job of cleaning up the garbage TMZ ********, so I don't know what your gripe is.

You quote awful like it was just your every day rumor. Maybe it is for high school / college kids, but not for decent adults. It was a pathetic rumor, started by an angry small minded weak individual.

It's just irresponsible IMO for people to "report" on something they have no evidence of. I get that the internet and message boards makes a lot of people feel like journalist (or what journalist used to be), but they aren't.

I'll say it again, this site has done a pretty damn good job of keeping the trash out. I get that you can't catch it all and the mods can't be here 24/7, so in my book their efforts get an "A+" based on what I have seen.

Another life lesson I do my best to follow and some others could probably use as well, "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".

 

[allabouttheUK]

The difference between UK sites and other sites, be it the 121 or just the SEC is that we aren't them. It doesn't look near as bad when you are a perennial winner and your fans go ape **** over a 1-2 loss season, but when your trying to reach .500 on the season and your fans loose their minds...looks a bit worse. Perspective and perception.

 

[shutzhund]

Multiple threads were deleted.

The first rumor thread that was posted and stayed on the board was started by me. And not to add any credibility to it or intensify it.

I only started it because EVERY other site had discussions about it by that time and I simply linked to those sites in my post because our Mods were getting pounded by the constant deletions.

JRow interjected on the thread, and I agreed, that there were no reports by the media and that it was all unsubstantiated rumors.

But when the discussion had gotten so huge it was foolish to not let our members discuss it. This isn't daycare.

BTW, this "awful" rumor had been heard around Lexington for a couple weeks prior to that weekend, just so you know. That doesnt make it true whatsoever.

I like what you say for the most part in other posts. To ignore or deny that these boards are not read by youngsters is, well, naive. So if you have a wife, girlfriend or children how would you like for them to hear the same things about you?

We don't have just a few bad eggs on these sites we have a whole hen house of them. Why feed them with threads they are too dumb to handle responsibly? Like giving a mouth breathing sociopath a pistol to play with.

 

[brianpoe]

I don't get why you are so defensive about this? Nothing in my post pointed the finger at anyone. I didn't know who started either thread or don't/didn't really care. I stated that this site has done a good job of cleaning up the garbage TMZ ********, so I don't know what your gripe is.

You quote awful like it was just your every day rumor. Maybe it is for high school / college kids, but not for decent adults. It was a pathetic rumor, started by an angry small minded weak individual.

It's just irresponsible IMO for people to "report" on something they have no evidence of. I get that the internet and message boards makes a lot of people feel like journalist (or what journalist used to be), but they aren't.

I'll say it again, this site has done a pretty damn good job of keeping the trash out. I get that you can't catch it all and the mods can't be here 24/7, so in my book their efforts get an "A+" based on what I have seen.

Another life lesson I do my best to follow and some others could probably use as well, "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".

I'm not defensive about it at all. I was quoting the word awful simply to refer to THE rumor, not diminishing it.

Obviously typed messaging vs verbal miscommunication.


"It's just irresponsible IMO for people to "report" on something they have no evidence of."

Again, no one reported on it. - The media did not address it, fans discussed it there was no reporting.


Our mods do a great job and you haven't heard me say that I believed it, not sure why you want to share your life lesson here?

The fact is, this subject was the talk of the internet and it was about our coach, thus discussion should be allowed. And it was only on here AFTER it was on every other board including multiple SEC teams sites and UL's.

 

[brianpoe]

I like what you say for the most part in other posts. To ignore or deny that these boards are not read by youngsters is, well, naive. So if you have a wife, girlfriend or children how would you like for them to hear the same things about you?

We don't have just a few bad eggs on these sites we have a whole hen house of them. Why feed them with threads they are too dumb to handle responsibly? Like giving a mouth breathing sociopath a pistol to play with.

Not sure I ever denied anyone read the board?

This is the largest community, of course people will read it. But just like the Bama venom that spews daily, a public message board is not as critical to a program as many people think.


As to my wife - if I am a public figure making $4M a year with a $12M buyout and not producing, she would probably not be too surprised by hateful talk from unhappy fans.



"Why feed them with threads they cant handle?"

Why deny the largest community the opportunity to discuss the largest internet conversation on our coach since he arrived, be it good or bad?

 

[Beatle Bum]

Fans should at worst ignore Stoops' comment. Anyone who is up and arms and defensive about this is acting like a troll or baby. Stoops used this circle-the-wagon approach to focus his team. So, whether or not you believe it to be a true assessment, UK fans have benefitted from the approach, as the team has improved on the field.

 

[brianpoe]

Fans should at worst ignore Stoops' comment. Anyone who is up and arms and defensive about this is acting like a troll or baby. Stoops used this circle-the-wagon approach to focus his team. So, whether or not you believe it to be a true assessment, UK fans have benefitted from the approach, as the team has improved on the field.

This is how I see it as well regarding his comments - not so sure I'd go so far as to call folks troll or baby - many are season ticket holders and most have given tremendous support and may have been offended, others definitely using it to fit their agenda.

Not a big deal to me, I can definitely see your point on attempting to focusing the team. CMS simply isn't media savvy enough to come up with that to deflect criticism off of him - (not a negative thing, he just seems to be one that would be fine without any media interaction.)

 

[allabouttheUK]

I'm not defensive about it all. I was quoting awful simply to refer to THE rumor, not diminishing it.

Obviously typed messaging vs verbal miscommunication.


"It's just irresponsible IMO for people to "report" on something they have no evidence of."

Again, no one reported on it. - The media did not address it, fans discussed it there was no reporting.


Our mods do a great job and you haven't heard me say that I believed it, not sure why you want to share your life lesson here?

The fact is, this subject was the talk of the internet and it was about our coach, thus discussion should be allowed. And it was only on here AFTER it was on every other board including multiple SEC teams sites and UL's.

I apologize for reading that wrong, that's on me.

I use the term reporting very loosely, because like I have said before, you have many people who want to be the first to share "breaking news". Message boards and every other form of social media has created a society full of amateur journalist, so that is why I say "reported".

I share the life lesson because it applies to situations like what happened.

The talk of the internet defense is week at best, brianpoe and you know that. Ever heard "so if you buddy jumps off a bridge you gonna jump to?" Just because someone else does it doesn't make it right.

I hope you aren't taking anything I am saying personal, because my comments are meant as a blanket statement, not directed at you even though we are the ones debating (civilly I might add ).

 

[Beatle Bum]

This is how I see it as well regarding his comments - not so sure I'd go so far as to call folks troll or baby - many are season ticket holders and most have given tremendous support and may have been offended, others definitely using it to fit their agenda.

Not a big deal to me, I can definitely see your point on attempting to focusing the team. CMS simply is media savvy enough to come up with that to deflect criticism off of him - (not a negative thing, he just seems to be one that would be fine without any media interaction.)

Let's be careful wth words. I did not call them trolls or babies. I said on this issue they are acting like that.

I see people here making a big deal about Stoops' comments, but then saying he should ignore the claimed small percentage of offenders. If true, why cannot those same fans ignore this, as it is a very small percentage of the message Stoops sent out this year. Incredibly small.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Not a big deal to me, I can definitely see your point on attempting to focusing the team. CMS simply is media savvy enough to come up with that to deflect criticism off of him - (not a negative thing, he just seems to be one that would be fine without any media interaction.)

If the team has the coach's back, there is nothing wrong with letting them know your coach is under fire. Teams can have success rallying around a common goal, even the protection of their coach. That should bother no fan.

 

[Rush2112 UK]

Matt Jones is OK, but I positively loathe everyone else on KSR. They're a bunch of little millennial douchebags, and they just loooooove them some coaches. They'd have stuck with Flubby until we went 0-27. Same story with Stoops.

 

[brianpoe]

If the team has the coach's back, there is nothing wrong with letting them know your coach is under fire. Teams can have success rallying around a common goal, even the protection of their coach. That should bother no fan.

I edited the post, i guess spell check got me.

I was trying to say isn't media savvy enough to do that. He is no Cal, and thats fine with me, i dont think he was deflecting criticism but more like you said, rallying the troops around an us against the world scenario.

 

[brianpoe]

I apologize for reading that wrong, that's on me.

I use the term reporting very loosely, because like I have said before, you have many people who want to be the first to share "breaking news". Message boards and every other form of social media has created a society full of amateur journalist, so that is why I say "reported".

I share the life lesson because it applies to situations like what happened.

The talk of the internet defense is week at best, brianpoe and you know that. Ever heard "so if you buddy jumps off a bridge you gonna jump to?" Just because someone else does it doesn't make it right.

I hope you aren't taking anything I am saying personal, because my comments are meant as a blanket statement, not directed at you even though we are the ones debating (civilly I might add ).

You know we are all good brother.



The rest of the internet talking about a subject is not a weak defense.

This is a message board. Just because the story is negative doesn't mean we are supposed to close our eyes and cover our ears.

We members have every right to discuss any rumors that are floating out there, especially rampant ones going viral. You want that kind of protection you need to go to a smaller board or start one, because the Rivals network is too big to be censoring a topic so widespread.

 

[allabouttheUK]

You know we are all good brother.



The rest of the internet talking about a subject is not a weak defense.

This is a message board. Just because the story is negative doesn't mean we are supposed to close our eyes and cover our ears.

We members have every right to discuss any rumors that are floating out there, especially rampant ones going viral. You want that kind of protection you need to go to a smaller board or start one, because the Rivals network is too big to be censoring a topic so widespread.

I'd have to agree with that retort, or I could just not be a part of those threads. I'd like to think that people learned a lesson from that fiasco and that it won't happen again, that's the optimist in me, the pessimist says it happens again in five weeks. lol

 

[brianpoe]

I'd have to agree with that retort, or I could just not be a part of those threads. I'd like to think that people learned a lesson from that fiasco and that it won't happen again, that's the optimist in me, the pessimist says it happens again in five weeks. lol

We lose the next 2 games and CMS will be responsible for the JFK assassination, 9-11, and accused of raping the mascot.

 

[allabouttheUK]

We lose the next 2 games and CMS will be responsible for the JFK assassination, 9-11, and accused of raping the mascot.

:joy:

 

[Beatle Bum]

We lose the next 2 games and CMS will be responsible for the JFK assassination, 9-11, and accused of raping the mascot.

Your humor sadly resonates a measure of truth that I never understood. Fans don't have to hate Stoops or be critical of everything he says or act like he is suddenly dumb struck or anything other than be upset with the fact that he is losing and they don't see improvement in four years. I get many of the football complaints (defense confused, Vandy game management last year, etc.). But, fans who want to call him on the mat for every little thing begin to simply look like baiters and trolls to me. A fan who is upset with not going to a bowl in four years has a legit reason to want Stoops fired. I may or may not agree, depending on the circumstances, but when fans venture into ragging on Stoops for every thing under the sun it gets ridiculously unnecessary.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Meanwhile, away from games:

 

[brianpoe]

Your humor sadly resonates a measure of truth that I never understood. Fans don't have to hate Stoops or be critical of everything he says or act like he is suddenly dumb struck or anything other than be upset with the fact that he is losing and they don't see improvement in four years. I get many of the football complaints (defense confused, Vandy game management last year, etc.). But, fans who want to call him on the mat for every little thing begin to simply look like baiters and trolls to me. A fan who is upset with not going to a bowl in four years has a legit reason to want Stoops fired. I may or may not agree, depending on the circumstances, but when fans venture into ragging on Stoops for every thing under the sun it gets ridiculously unnecessary.

I would say that a fan who wants a coach fired for not going to a bowl in four years will often nit pick each negative... so saying you understand the one group is most likely the same group that look like trolls to you...

 

[ScrewDuke1]

Terrible comments from Stoops.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Matt Jones is OK, but I positively loathe everyone else on KSR. They're a bunch of little millennial douchebags, and they just loooooove them some coaches. They'd have stuck with Flubby until we went 0-27. Same story with Stoops.

Jones is also a millennial douchebag. They're all douchebags, except for Maggard.

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

To be perfectly honest, we'd all be a lot better off without social media. It has done nothing but create a society that needs instant gratification. Not much good comes from social media. It's the technological equivalent of high school drama. It's given idiots a voice that should never have a voice. It's created this false sense of self worth/importance for many, as well as the sick false self importance. I want even begin on what is done for learning..."saw it on facebook/twitter/google it must be true". The days of research and real learning are fading away.

ISIS is a perfect example of your point. Social media gives all the disenfranchised lunatics a way to connect with the other lunatics and a medium to spread their lunacy as if it were gospel. The crazy sports fans spreading rumors and contacting 18 year olds is just a symptom of the overall problem. The angry loser typically feels a strong need to seek out a scapegoat, vent their anger and feel justified in doing so.