Let's say Mullen stays...

[dawgstudent]

and we have another successful year next season - would you ever get tired of his name being mentioned?

Of course, it's better than the alternative of sucking and never being mentioned but after 3-4 years - I personally would be getting tired of it. Sooner or later, you either **** or get off the pot as far as you commitment to State. I know some will vehemently disagree with what I just said.

 

[dawgstudent]

and we have another successful year next season - would you ever get tired of his name being mentioned?

Of course, it's better than the alternative of sucking and never being mentioned but after 3-4 years - I personally would be getting tired of it. Sooner or later, you either **** or get off the pot as far as you commitment to State. I know some will vehemently disagree with what I just said.

 

[MaverickAG]

and it isn't because I'd cry a trail of tears if he left. I just hate hearing all the ******** speculation and this and that. It seems like every Tom, Dick, and Coach34 has a source and such-and-such is 24 hours away from being announced. Its just comical.

 

[Coach34]

not many jobs out there he would leave us for- and those top 10 BCS jobs dont come open very often

 

[maroonmania]

if Mullen doesn't get the Penn St. job then will we all be convinced that he IS going to stay for a while OR do we just think this will be an annual rite no matter which jobs open up?

 

[00Dawg]

I probably would get tired of it. However, I think after last year that the only thing scaringour fansis that it's Penn State. Barring that job being open, I'd probably being ignoring any rumors. Turning down Miami twice (and possibly UF) has me convinced we have only Happy Valley to worry about.

 

[coach66]

Dan keeps his feelers out and his options open. That is his choice and we can chose to live with that or not to live with that, He works for us! Personally, I respect successful people who show loyalty to their employer, it says a lot about one's character. The money and the fame has just gotten to be too much****<div>
</div><div>I am a big Dan Mullen fan but the reality is we will move forward with or without him. I just want him to make a quick decision because Hud deserves to be the next Bulldog coach if Mullen makes a move.</div>

 

[benatmsu]

It seems like every Tom, Dick, and Coach34

I think you meant: "...every Tom, Coach34, and Harry".

I kid!! I kid!!

 

[State82]

I already am. Same BS year in and year out with a successful coach. Now, I really don't care either way, but if the opportunity arises or if he can push it along, he needs to do it quickly so we can make our move. This brings up a question I have been meaning to ask. If you had the choice, would you take Hudspeth right now and be just as satisfied with our situation? I personally would. I really don't think there is that much difference between the two. They each have their advantages, but I believe Hud would be the one we would not have to worry about hearing the "talk" to which you are referring every year. I would take him tomorrow and be just as happy about the program.

 

[Topgundawg]

event. I think the next time we give him a raise we add a large buy out clause so that we get a little in return if he heads for
the hills....

 

[coach66]

nm

 

[was21]

else wants your coach....hell, I prefer a coach who is in demand rather than one who is not.

 

[thatsbaseball]

per year over the next 3 years ? My point in asking is that if doesn`t have the players to be successful in the very difficult position we`re in (SEC west) does he view this as a window of opportunity to leave that could possibly close if he has a couple of bad years due to lack of SEC caliber talent. To me it`s notso much PSU (which is a huge job) as it is timing.

 

[dawgstudent]

after this year - as a fan - I want him to be committed to State.

 

[EAVdog]

But not just that he's getting mentioned. I don't even mind if he has feelers out, getting mentioned is how you get leverage for raises and raises for your staff. But I'm so damn sick of the constant crap from every other SEC fan base. It's always Mullen sucks, he can't beat anyone but Ole Miss, he's a yankee, he's a Scientologist, he's arrogant, he runs his mouth, he's never going to win yada yada yada. Then the next sentence is he's going to be the next coach and any number of Big Name schools, he's too good for little old Miss State.
I know it comes with the territory of having a good coach but either he gets credit or he doesn't. Regardless the meme is so played out.

 

[Coach34]

per year over the next 3 years ? My point in asking is that if doesn`t have the players to be successful in the very difficult position we`re in (SEC west) does he view this as a window of opportunity to leave that could possibly close if he has a couple of bad years due to lack of SEC caliber talent. To me it`s notso much PSU (which is a huge job) as it is timing.

and with this year's possible class, should be better than that

 

[fishwater99]

Now if Joe P had retired without all this scandal then, I think we could have lost Mullen.
I think it's all our fans stoking the Mullens to ______ talk. We have a good coach and everyone is worried he will leave.

 

[FlabLoser]

...the Croom perception to be undone. That's the perception that anybody who wins at MSU much be a (#&#ing miracle worker who is the heir to the every next big coaching job that opens.

I still hold that the 90's is our model - consistent winning while competing for a conference title once in a while. Also sprinkled with a losing season here and there (just being realistic).

Sherrill's extended departure and the Croom era set us back ab out as far as Jackie brought us forward in the 90s. I think most of the fanbase still believes in the 90s. But the national media only believes in last week.

I want badly for Mullen to stay or for the next guy to pick up right were Mullen left off. The longer we're "a few years away", the more those 90s are going to be about as relevant as Ole Miss's 1960s.

 

[maroonmania]

Mullen doesn't have a snowball's chance in the Sahara of getting the job because Joe Pa and crew would be handing the job down to somebody internal to the program already on staff. The current mess is the ONLY thing giving Mullen a possible shot at the job.

 

[Sapsdawg]

Hello Crotch34, long time....

This could be like a Miles/Michigan deal except with more reason not to take the PSU job. Discovery hasn't even begun yet in the civil cases. This is a 5 year story as revelations trickle out through the legal process. If the rumors that Paterno moved his assets to his wife's name for protection from liability, there is a huge pile of something there. The recruiting will be hugely difficult for years and maybe harder over the next 2 - 3 years than right now because the full story hasn't gotten out yet. I get what you're saying, and it's a good point that some of the 1st tier names are off the list because of the scandal moving Mullen up. But for that reason, he may stay away. I sure as hell would want nothing to do with that place for a long, long time, if ever. Any human has to question whether they want to go to a has been conference in a city in the middle of nowhere with scandals for years of the sort most can't imagine, or stay at a place that will rename half of campus for me if I build a consistent 8 - 9 game winner.

 

[DerHntr]

I'm much less tired of this than the speculation of whether or not we will be considered racist for finally firing Crooms. This is a much better situation to be in and I will live with it for the foreseeable future. We getinto 7 or8 years of Mullen's tenure and then I will likely be pissed that he is constantly "open" to being hired away.

 

[AssEndDawg]

if Mullen doesn't get the Penn St. job then will we all be convinced that he IS going to stay for a while OR do we just think this will be an annual rite no matter which jobs open up?

as long as he doesn't drop. I don't see the Penn State thing happening just because I don't think he's that stupid. but you never know. If it truly is his dream job he might go for it.

 

[bulldogbaja]

three-and-out.
1. Following a legend
2. Whoever takes the job is going to be forever tied to the scandal (fair or not). The second coach after JoePa will be the one who has a chance.
3. Urban at OSU- Big 10 expectations are going to pick up because they are going to be a perennial top-5 team

ETA 4. potential NCAA sanctions

 

[State82]

Its not that I don't think Hudspeth would be successful enough to warrant interest from others, but I feel like he would be the least likely of available candidates to pull up and leave. I think he is our best choice as far as staying for the long haul.

 

[Flatland Dawg]

Because it means we're winning. I'd like for him to be the #1 candidate for every opening in the country. It'll make the job that much easier to fill if/when he does leave. I like Mullen and hope like hell that he stays, but if we're ever going to get to the next level, we're going to have to put up with this stuff. When you have 0 national championships and, let's face it, a pretty bad history, you're going to be seen as a stepping stone. Fix the history, and maybe pick up a championship, and the rumors will stop the <span style="font-style: italic;">good</span> way. Until then, enjoy.

As for loyalty, there's absolutely something to be said for it. I'd love to have a top 15 coach who lives and breathes maron and whit. But he's a terrible negotiator if he flatly denies every rumor and openly claims that he'll die on Scott Field. There's just nothing in it (financially) for a coach to do that. I don't blame Mullen one bit for using those rumors to his advantage. Hell, Nutt's $6 million richer because of it.

 

[patdog]

are interested in hiring our coach. If any MSU coach is having great success, we'll hear those rumors. Get used to it. Like you said, it beats the hell out of the alternative. And if one of them one day does hire our coach away from us, you can bet the bank that Keenum and Stricklin will hire a damn good replacement.

 

[mcdawg22]

.....like I treat the Five Star from South Panola signing with State. Penn State is a mess but it's still Penn State. Not to mention our offense will probably struggle next year with a less than promising OL. Six will be tough next year.

 

[Todd4State]

We're not an Alabama or LSU. We all understand that. If a coach does well and wins here, more than likely other schools like Penn State are going to want our coach. I don't see anything wrong with that- so long as we continue to make great hires after Dan or whoever leaves.

That's just how it goes- if we're winning.

 

[ScaldedDawg]

three-and-out.
1. Following a legend
2. Whoever takes the job is going to be forever tied to the scandal (fair or not). The second coach after JoePa will be the one who has a chance.

You want to be the man who follows the man who follows the man.

Ask Paul Mainieri, Matt Doherty, etc.<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>

 

[B Rock]

three-and-out.
1. Following a legend
2. Whoever takes the job is going to be forever tied to the scandal (fair or not). The second coach after JoePa will be the one who has a chance.
3. Urban at OSU- Big 10 expectations are going to pick up because they are going to be a perennial top-5 team

ETA 4. potential NCAA sanctions

If Mullen is smart, he will pass on PSU this time around. I feel it's pretty safe to say the next guy won't be there 50 years. The job will be open again in 3-5 years guaranteed.

 

[Mutt the Hoople.buhoops]

Hello Crotch34, long time....

The recruiting will be hugely difficult for years and maybe harder over the next 2 - 3 years than right now because the full story hasn't gotten out yet. I get what you're saying, and it's a good point that some of the 1st tier names are off the list because of the scandal moving Mullen up. But for that reason, he may stay away. I sure as hell would want nothing to do with that place for a long, long time, if ever. Any human has to question whether they want to go to a has been conference in a city in the middle of nowhere with scandals for years of the sort most can't imagine, or stay at a place that will rename half of campus for me if I build a consistent 8 - 9 game winner.

What halfway decent recruit would want to clean off after practice and games in the "Sandusky Showers"? The only people who think State Penn is a good job are die-hard Nittany Lion fans and NAMBLA.

 

[dawgstudent]

we have a good shot at 7.

We got Kentucky, Auburn, Arkansas, and Tennessee at home. No reason we should not be 2-2. Then we have Ole Miss on the road. Add the 4 OOC games and it's a good shot at 7.

Our other games are LSU, Bama, South Carolina. Rumor is that A&M will replace LSU so that could be another W.

 

[BiscuitEater]

I probably would get tired of it. However, I think after last year that the only thing scaringour fansis that it's Penn State. Barring that job being open, I'd probably being ignoring any rumors. Turning down Miami twice (and possibly UF) has me convinced we have only Happy Valley to worry about.

to some, I just don't see Penn State being as attractive after last month.


The Sandusky trial will start next year and will consume all the oxygen in the state. That trial will be followed by the civil trials. Much harder to coach a football team with investigators, subpenos, FOIA requests, lawyers, and reporters trashing about. Each and every rock will be looked under & the more they look, the worse PSU will look.


Average time coaching at PSU for staff is over 23 years; 4 coaches also played there. 'Newest' coach, Galen Hall has been there 8 years.


Anybody that thinks that 'no one' on this staff knew what was going on with 'Jerry's kids,' is in terminal denial. Just like the mafia, everything stayed in the family and was rolling along quite well until ....

 

[RocketDawg]

Would they let Mullen go in and fire the entire staff, a staff that has been there forever? I think the University has fired all the people they're going to fire, including McQuery. I doubt they'd let an up and comer like Mullen start with a clean slate and hire new staff.

 

[maroonmania]

Mullen isn't having what most outsiders would consider "great success". One 9-4 year mixed in with a 5-7 and a 6-6 would not be what most would consider "great success". I know the bar is lower with perceptions out there of MSU but still Mullen hasn't proven to be a top coach in the country to be getting his name thrown out with every top job that opens up. Gosh, I would hate to hear the rumors had Mullen actually won a couple more games this year.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

In fact, if I were a candidate for the position, I would require that I be able to do that.