Given the possibility of a very competitive coaching market in the off season and the fact that UK has such a large buyout for Coach Stoops, This idea could by very beneficial to UK and one of these two. UK and CMS administration could get some fresh eyes on how they are doing things as well as some great coaching and recruiting influence. Strong or Franklin would also have the benefit of having a place where their hot seats can cool off and go on the market once the market is more favorable giving them more bargaining value. Whats your thoughts?
Lets take Strong or even Franklin as a one year DC similar to what Auburn did with Muschamp.
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Neither would work under an inferior coach in Stoops. That is a hilarious thought IMO.
lol James Franklin is an offensive coach, former OC in the NFL and at Maryland
Said the same thing in another post.
If Strong gets the ax, he needs to be called immediately and offered to be a top paid coordinator/assistant.
Same goes for a number of coaches who will be looking for gigs this off season due to the carousel that is about to take off.
It appears that there will be some major upheaval which is going to lead to some HCs and all their staffs in limbo. CMS and MB need to get on the phone with the check book.
Auburn, LSU, Texas, Notre Dame, Oregon, and on and on.
I know there are rules on how big your staff can be, so it's time to get creative.
I would start planning on making room to make guys highest paid coordinators/assistants/special assistants to HC/consultants, etc...if we have to make Mark Helfrich the highest paid Grad Assistant and Gus Malzahn the highest paid water boy, then so be it.
Make Strong an assistant cheer leading coach and give him a head set. Let's get Les to be scratch for a million bucks.
If Strong gets the ax, he needs to be called immediately and offered to be a top paid coordinator/assistant.
Same goes for a number of coaches who will be looking for gigs this off season due to the carousel that is about to take off.
It appears that there will be some major upheaval which is going to lead to some HCs and all their staffs in limbo. CMS and MB need to get on the phone with the check book.
Auburn, LSU, Texas, Notre Dame, Oregon, and on and on.
I know there are rules on how big your staff can be, so it's time to get creative.
I would start planning on making room to make guys highest paid coordinators/assistants/special assistants to HC/consultants, etc...if we have to make Mark Helfrich the highest paid Grad Assistant and Gus Malzahn the highest paid water boy, then so be it.
Make Strong an assistant cheer leading coach and give him a head set. Let's get Les to be scratch for a million bucks.
Apparently some folks on here have no ability to have a constructive conversation about anything. The misery they must live, in their current lives. On a different note, ill like what you have to say here.
So, if Kentucky had a good offense under Mark Stoops, would you say that qualifies him to be an OC?
Lol exactly. I'm also not sure why Strong or Franklin would come work under a coach who is probably fired after next season anyways at best unless a miracle happens and he wins 6+ this season.
I don't think Derek Mason will be at Vandy much longer. He isn't very good as a HC but is a damn good DC. Pay the man and see our defense thrive.
I really dont care man. Franklin is a good coach perhaps he and Coach Stoops can compare and contrast ideas. Stoops could offer up D schemes and Franklin could counter with his Offense experience. I see how your trying to troll though....keep trying
I actually kind of like the way it is now.... Eliot giving some insight to formations and Stoops making the play calls.
Yeah...bbn...got to love them.
How's Charlie's Defense this year...not so good...but his sugar bowl ring is nice and shiny...
A good idea will never be fully appreciated for what it is on here...it will be nit picked and criticized...
Franklin was a OC...great...that's not the point...the point is making moves to improve UK football. Having former coaches come in to either coach and/or consult on some sort of football committee for a year or until they get another gig is exactly what UK football needs.
Every year we should have a half dozen guys come in and evaluate the program and help MB as well as CMS (or whomever the coach is). Guys from all levels of football. Former/retired coaches, current HCs or assistants looking for temporary work until they get another gig, ex players, front office people from the pros, etc...
With as much coaching turnover that's going to happen...there's little to no chance that guys like Strong and Franklin are going to have to be coordinators. Jobs like Texas, USC, Oregon, Penn State, LSU..etc are going to cause other jobs to open up and those jobs are going to be filled by the guys fired. Guys like Les Miles, Charlie Strong, James Franklin etc aren't going to go to go be coordinators at places like UK. No offense to UK I would say the same thing about UL. They aren't going to go from being a Head Coach at a school like Texas to being a coordinator for Mark Stoops.
Places like Alabama, Texas, LSU, Ohio State etc...can entice big time coaches to take coordinators spots because it shines a spotlight on them and gets them another job quicker.
Places like Alabama, Texas, LSU, Ohio State etc...can entice big time coaches to take coordinators spots because it shines a spotlight on them and gets them another job quicker.
That might be the case, but Chizik (BCS National Champ Coach) ended up as a DC at UNC and Muschamp at Auburn. So there is an argument that this idea could work. I mean why would one of these coaches leave D1 schools to go down to an FCS team when they could stay in a Power 5 conference and still have there name tossed around for power 5 coaching positions.( IE Lane Kiffen).
The above mentioned coaches would probably turn us down for the head coach position. They are not going to give us the time of day as an assistant.
Bottom line, Stoops has to right this ship or be fired. No other fired ex-coach can do it for him. Why would they?
Bottom line, Stoops has to right this ship or be fired. No other fired ex-coach can do it for him. Why would they?
Also, have we forgotten that mark stoop won a national championship as a DC? So
How is your comment relevant to this discussion? I believe that I have shown that coaches do fall from grace and will take jobs under other coaches to improve their own stock. Have we forgotten that Stoops has won a national championship as a DC not so long ago? to think that he doesnt have the respect of other coaches is laughable.
Thats true but just like @Sawnee Cat said...I would have a hard time seeing guys like Strong, Franklin, Miles accepting head coaching offers from UK let alone coordinator positions under a coach who's on the hot seat.
I don't think those guys are going to go down to the FCS level but there are going to be positions open when those bigger schools start filling their openings. Lets say Willie Taggart ends up somewhere...it seems reasonable that Charlie Strong would be a target for USF and that he would have serious interest in going back to Florida. Its jobs like that, that will be filled by these guys.
Mark Stoops left in 2012...FSU won their title in 2013.
Jeremy Pruitt was DC the year they won and he's Alabama's current DC.
Relevant to this discussion? I guess about has much as saying Stoops has a national championship from FSU. We are not going to get any of the men you mentioned, not even to play golf with our boosters. Stoops is on his own and propping him up is only a pipe dream. If he can't cut it, he can join the much crowded UK graveyard for football coaches. A lot better coaches than Stoops have been fired by UK.
Youve said this now 3 times, but Mark Stoops was not the DC on the National Championship team. Jeremy Pruitt was. So Mark Stoops does not have a national championship.
Franklin as DC...
Mark Stoops won a NC...
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I think we are getting bogged down in the details and missing the big picture.
The big picture is UK football and the fact that it needs help.
Sure, plenty of coaches wouldn't be interested in coming in to be actual assistants/coordinators or contributing on some sort of advisory committee.
But there are coaches who would be interested, and getting guys to come in and help is exactly what winning programs do. It's also not absolutely a must that top tier winning coaches be brought in.
See Joker Phillips. Urban Meyer brought him on to be "quality control". The title isn't important, what is important is that Ohio State football and urban recognize the value of having somebody like joker come in. Yeah he failed miserably as HC, but he was at one point a highly thought of OC and does have experience in P5.
What is one thing Urban needs to concern himself with? SEC recruiting, and SEC opponents in the play offs. Urban has plenty of experience with that himself, but Joker gives him some fresh eyes.
Look at Saban. He brings in a dumpster fire in Sark. No body was going to touch that guy for at least a little bit, he was going to have to go the juco/high school ranks, or to the booth. Saban said no, I'll take a HC with P5 experience and offensive mind, an ace recruiter and I'll make him an "offensive assistant".
Saban is not only thinking that it will be an extra guy for x's and o's, but it's a guy who knows the pac 12.
Sark may know about a couple Cali recruits he was looking at while at USC. Saban may have to game plan for Washington in the play offs.
That is how and why programs win, whether it's Toledo, Bowling Greene, Utah, MSU, LSU, Bama, Florida, or Ohio State. Thinking like the above mentioned coaches is why they are two of the very best in the game.
The big picture is UK football and the fact that it needs help.
Sure, plenty of coaches wouldn't be interested in coming in to be actual assistants/coordinators or contributing on some sort of advisory committee.
But there are coaches who would be interested, and getting guys to come in and help is exactly what winning programs do. It's also not absolutely a must that top tier winning coaches be brought in.
See Joker Phillips. Urban Meyer brought him on to be "quality control". The title isn't important, what is important is that Ohio State football and urban recognize the value of having somebody like joker come in. Yeah he failed miserably as HC, but he was at one point a highly thought of OC and does have experience in P5.
What is one thing Urban needs to concern himself with? SEC recruiting, and SEC opponents in the play offs. Urban has plenty of experience with that himself, but Joker gives him some fresh eyes.
Look at Saban. He brings in a dumpster fire in Sark. No body was going to touch that guy for at least a little bit, he was going to have to go the juco/high school ranks, or to the booth. Saban said no, I'll take a HC with P5 experience and offensive mind, an ace recruiter and I'll make him an "offensive assistant".
Saban is not only thinking that it will be an extra guy for x's and o's, but it's a guy who knows the pac 12.
Sark may know about a couple Cali recruits he was looking at while at USC. Saban may have to game plan for Washington in the play offs.
That is how and why programs win, whether it's Toledo, Bowling Greene, Utah, MSU, LSU, Bama, Florida, or Ohio State. Thinking like the above mentioned coaches is why they are two of the very best in the game.
Also...amongst all the other issues let's just discuss the potential of having a guy like Strong or Franklin on staff under a coach like Mark Stoops.
The tension of having a coordinator that everyone thinks is a better head coach than your current head coach...a head coach that most people want fired, would cause so much tension and turmoil that it would be a disaster.
The tension of having a coordinator that everyone thinks is a better head coach than your current head coach...a head coach that most people want fired, would cause so much tension and turmoil that it would be a disaster.
Either way.
Still not relevant regardless of Stoops winning an NC with FSU...I could argue that it was a defense that Stoops built...The conclusion i get from your comment is that its actually UK football that is bad and not the coaches who have tried to build it. Again not even an attempt at a constructive conversation.
Mark Stoops was the DC for about 4 years before that year FSU won. SO, the argument can be made that Pruiet won with Stoops team.
Now you are getting it. It is UK football that is bad and one of the reasons is poor hiring through the many, many decades. It all started with the firing of Blanton Collier.(who by the way went to the Cleveland Browns as their head coach and won a championship) Look who replaced Collier when we could have had a younger Jerry Claiborne or a young Howard Schnellenberger. Start right there and fast forwarded and look at the choices our AD's made in hiring. There you have the problem. We are the graveyard of football coaches for a reason and the AD is the only one who can change that. Unless some big dollar football donors take over and hire the coach.
I could see that happening. But, Hiring a fired head coach that couldn't win at a better program doesn't sound like that correct thing to do. If you cant win with a better program, better talent and more money. How can you expect that person to win here?
Sometimes its not that simple. Look at Mark Stoops...he was successful at FSU...but it appears that he was most likely successful because he had great talent and a great staff, not because he was a great coach. Then you have guys like Charlie Strong...Charlie Strong was a great judge of under-recruited talent and happened to bring in Teddy Bridgewater but he put a lot of under-recruited talent in the NFL but the Texas job was always the wrong fit for him. Too much meddling from boosters and the administration, too much non-football activities, etc. James Franklin built the unbuildable into a decent program at Vandy and for whatever reason has not been able to replicate success at Penn State. Strong and Franklin didn't forget how to coach....something in their current jobs is not working however but I 100% believe that if you put Charlie Strong at a school like USF...he would have them even better than than Taggart has them.
Guys like Strong and Franklin would be home run hires for a program like UK at head coach but they aren't coming here to play coordinators under someone like Mark Stoops.
That makes sense. I think Mason slips back into an assistant job if he gets canned. He will probably have better options than UK, but if he would come, pay the man.
Charlie will not go from a successful HC at UL to fired at UT to being an assistant coach. Some team will hire him and he will probably do well.
No kidding. Both guys have more head coaching credibility than does Stoops. If they are going to work as an assistant or a consultant, they're going to an elite program.