Grumpy, the Big 12 has no relevance without Texas, Kansas, OU and OSU. Some combination will go the Big 10 or SEC. The remainder plus the other mentioned teams will form the remaining P5 conference.
Looks Like Big 12 Expansion is back on the table.
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Last year 6 of the 10 most watched college football games involved Houston, the other 4 were Texas A&M in the Houston market that is. The Cougars had a great season in 2015.
The Cougars have a great football program. And, they were once in the old Southwest Conference. However, the SEC network is the most watched in the market.
It was Baylor fans who don't want Houston in. I think the governor of Texas is pushing for Houston as well.
I don't understand why a power conference would want Memphis. All of Tennessee is dominated by the Vols. Memphis football is irrelevant. Also, Memphis is academically weak and located in a city with bad crime rates and a stagnant economy. There are almost as many Arkansas fans as Memphis fans within that city. BYU, Cincinnati, and Colorado State are all much better options. Houston doesn't make sense to me, because it doesn't expand the Big 12's geographic footprint. However, Texas politics might force the Big 12 to take Houston.
What are you basing this one? Texas and their Longhorn network all but killed the Big12, its why Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Missouri left the Big12. They also did the same thing to the old Southwest conference causing Arkansas to join the SEC. Their arrogance and desire to be in charge is a conference killer. I want no part of them joining the SEC. Texas is a huge school with a huge alumni base, which makes the relevant, but as for as performace they are mid pack in the Big12 now. If Houston joins they would be fighting for 7th best in conference. SEC should have taken OU and OSU instead of A&M and Missouri and moved AU and Bama to the East. No long term rivalries would have ended. But that all important footprint won out. Would have made one heck of a football conference.
I understand what you are saying about tradition, but there is no way Arkansas would leave the SEC for the Big 12. The SEC not only has the best football, it is also the most stable and profitable conference. I don't think the Hogs would even consider leaving.
I think the grant of rights option makes the likelihood of a team moving from ACC to SEC unlikely.
My personal guess is that they add UC, Tulane, Memphis, Temple, UCF and USF. All of these teams bring big TV markets and good recruiting areas in Football centric areas. Going to 16 teams would allow them to create 4 team divisions which would make scheduling much easier.
Here is another article ranking the candidates
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ntenders-hopefuls-wild-card-teams-join-big-12
BTW 4 of the 5 Power 5 Conferences have a TV Network.
Driving force behind expansion talks?????
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ntenders-hopefuls-wild-card-teams-join-big-12
BTW 4 of the 5 Power 5 Conferences have a TV Network.
Driving force behind expansion talks?????
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Have a feeling they are going to 14...best "guess" is BYU & Houston...the final two spots Cincinnati and a fight between Colorado State, Memphis and the Florida Twins UCF/USF...
UCF AD talking up advantages of UCF joining the B12
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...ig-12-according-athletic-director-danny-white
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...ig-12-according-athletic-director-danny-white
UConn waiting to hear from B12https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/uconn-ad-waiting-to-hear-from-big-12/191815396
Grumpy, it very likely the current Big 12 will split yet again. None of the schools that would expand the current Big 12 have relevant TV market influence or the schools themselves have little national relevance.
My comment about Texas and Kansas going to the SEC was one scenario discussed. OU and OSU in another scenario would go to the Big 10. That leaves Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, WVU, TCU and Baylor.
Scenarios aside, the latest is BYU and Houston are now rumored to join the Big 12. Who knows, Grumpy? Time will tell.
B12 wants to decide before the season starts
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-expansion-teams-before-start-of-2016-season/
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-expansion-teams-before-start-of-2016-season/
Maybe. This is a very complicated situation. ESPN will have a lot to say about the future of the Big 12.
Did anybody ever answer this for you, JHB?
There's a very good article from yesterday (7/28) on Sports Illustrated's website about the financial windfall due the conference if they expand.
http://www.si.com/college-football/...tions-revenue-television-markets-media-rights
Their current contracts with Fox and ESPN will give them $25 million per year for each school they add (I presume there's a limit to that - they probably aren't allowed to go bigger than 14). Since they would only have to pay the new schools about $15 million to pull them away from the AAC or Mountain West (in Boise's case), that means the current 10 schools in the conference can pocket about $5 million per year for themselves for the life of their current media deals, which expire after the 2024-25 season.
Ok...Interesting screen name...back on topic "If" BYU get in very well could be Football Only...still the Sunday issue with them
I forgot about that situation. Football is Saturday and usually Thursday only so that would work. Isn't the Sabbath actually on Saturday though. How did that get forgotten by people?
That the hot rumor....if BYU get in it is Football only...most of the Olympic Sports and Basketball have Sunday games...not Morman so don't know the entire issue.
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All good comments in this thread. There remains the issue of excellent money paid out, but TV markets need "X" number of viewers to justify including schools like Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UCF, BYU etc. Cincinnati is heavy Ohio State, Memphis is heavy Tennessee, Houston is heavy Texas, Texas A&M and LSU for instance. This is where Texas and the Longhorn network gravely miscalculated. The end result is a complicated issue.
Interesting development in this situation.
B12 & Networks not agreeing http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...n-with-tv-rights-holders-shaking-their-fists/
B12 & Networks not agreeing http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...n-with-tv-rights-holders-shaking-their-fists/
This must be incredibly depressing for Cincinnati fans. The Bearcats were finally in a position to gain admission to a power conference, but it appears that ESPN and Fox are going to intervene at the last moment to kill the deal. That has to be deflating.
I read an article on ESPN that indicated the Commissioner for the Pac 12 had meetings with Houston. How awesome would it be if the Pac 12 swooped in and grabbed up BYU and Houston before the Big 12 made their move? It's like seeing a big game of conference Chess. Who is going to make that big move to declare checkmate!
http://espn.go.com/college-football...-oklahoma-sooners-leverage-motivation-unclear
Another take on B12 expansion and the possible role Ok will play
Another take on B12 expansion and the possible role Ok will play
I agree with you about Houston, but I think BYU would be a good addition. BYU has a solid football program and a national fan base.
BYU has a great football tradition, a national (and international) fan base that is loyal and growing and they control a top 35 TV market that is also growing. If it wasn't for the religious restrictions the University puts on their teams they probably would already be in a Power 5 conference.
Houston brings a fantastic football tradition, a top 10 TV market and it opens the Texas up for Pac 12 recruiting. So both teams bring something to the table. The biggest issues involve academics and culture. Neither school is considered elite when it comes to academic, and both schools have much more conservative cultures than any of the Pac 12 schools. Those things might make it a bad fit.
The problem for the Pac 12, however, is that their expansion options are very limited. Geography will get in the way of trying to add most teams so unless they think they can pull Texas and Oklahoma into the Pac 12 a school like BYU might be their best option.
Houston brings a fantastic football tradition, a top 10 TV market and it opens the Texas up for Pac 12 recruiting. So both teams bring something to the table. The biggest issues involve academics and culture. Neither school is considered elite when it comes to academic, and both schools have much more conservative cultures than any of the Pac 12 schools. Those things might make it a bad fit.
The problem for the Pac 12, however, is that their expansion options are very limited. Geography will get in the way of trying to add most teams so unless they think they can pull Texas and Oklahoma into the Pac 12 a school like BYU might be their best option.
As I've stated before in previous posts, this is a complicated issue. Ironically, Houston was part of the old Southwest Conference, but left out along with TCU in the Big 12 merger. Both schools at the time were bottom feeders in the SWC.
I have to think if BYU was so important in the Big 12 expansion, why weren't they considered to join the PAC 12? Utah joined instead. Texas is caught in a nasty web of its own creation. Texas Tech could easily go to the PAC 12 if offered. There are all sorts of scenarios and opinions. At the end of the day, however, Oklahoma holds the key to how all this works out.
grant of rights buyout is about $22million. sec schools are getting over $35million going forward and some project to be over $50million. acc schools are getting around $25million/year. in 2 years a school could pay off the grant of right buyout. if an acc team declines coming to the sec it will be because of arrogance or an easier schedule... not money concerns.
I heard one of the national radio guys (can't remember which one) say that he hears Nebraska and Colorado have regrets about leaving the Big12. I agree with Nebraska for sure, they look like a round peg in a square hole in the Big10.
I'm not sure you are interpreting the GOR correctly (but I freely admit I am certainly not an expert).
To use your numbers, if an ACC team is making $25M/year and moves to the SEC and receives $35M/yr, they must forfeit back $25M to the ACC leaving them with a net loss of $15M/yr in media revenue (i.e., $25M/yr. vs $10/yr). Naturally, numbers vary annually. But there would not be a break even point until SEC revenue was twice as much as ACC revenue (i.e., SEC revenue - ACC GOR revenue = ACC GOR revenue.
So it would take an annual SEC team share of $50M to be equal to the (current) $25M ACC share for the length of the GOR (which now runs through 2036). I say that because projected and actual are 2 entirely different things.
At least I think thats the way the GOR thing would work. I'm not sure what the impact of the newest ACC media deal will be but it will include a conference network into some very big east coast markets so that $25M figure will almost certainly go up as well. I expect an SEC team share to always be greater than an ACC team shares but, IMO, the GOR makes it unlikely an ACC team would move to the SEC unless heavily incentivized.
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Don't know why they would complain since they are placed in the easier West division.
If anyone should have regrets, it's the B10 for taking NE. NE brought a fading name, nothing else - 1.8M people surrounded by empty space. For as highly the B10 thinks of itself, they really messed up there. As for NE, they should count their lucky stars for the revenue the B10 brings them.