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The Public Enemy said:
That the hot rumor....if BYU get in it is Football only...most of the Olympic Sports and Basketball have Sunday games...not Morman so don't know the entire issue.
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That makes the most sense to me. I am a BYU alum, and a football season ticket holder at BYU.

The school would disband the entire athletics program before they would ever consider playing on Sunday. That's just how it is. So my guess is every other team/program stays in the WCC, or maybe they bring their basketball teams in too. I think they could work around Sundays for a few sports.
 
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ESPN already has the television rights for Cinci, Memphis, Houston, UCF etc and has them for far less than what they'll have to pay if those schools are added pro-rata into the Big 12. Fox however would be getting their rights (half of them really) and into those markets so they're pushing for it.

The Big 12 is just the child caught in the middle of two parents arguing
 
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Cincinnati is one of the best schools available for the Big 12, but I think it could hurt Kentucky's recruiting if Cincinnati joins a power conference. We've had good success recruiting Ohio under Stoops. If Cincinnati gets in the Big 12, it will get more money and prestige to compete with Kentucky for recruits.
 
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Read where UC would have the 4th largest endowment of the current B12 schools. And 2nd largest enrollment.
 
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The latest news remains muddled and unclear according to an article in today's San Antonio Express News. To me, if the Big 12 broke up Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would likely go SEC. Texas and Texas Tech could go Pac 12. TCU, Kansas could go B1G. West Virginia would go ACC with one more TBA. Baylor is tarnished once again with scandal and is a question mark where they go. Iowa State and Kansas State could go to a conference with Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Uconn, USF et al. IF the Big 12 remains intact, it will be ESPN who will have the most leverage in the matter. The current concensus among fans would be BYU and Cincinnati to Big 12.

At the end of the day, it remains a major guessing game.
 
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sefleming said:
I have no clue but here is my thinking
BYU - for sure
Cinn - Geographical close to WVA for their rival
Houston - should be but think no so that it would not already dilute the Texas market
Colorado State - maybe just rival for BYU
Memphis - Just to dig deeper into SEC territory
UCF to get foot into Florida market
UConn - get northeast market


So if I had to guess it would be as follows
BYU
Cinn

Then
Colorado State

then one of the following
Memphis/UCF/UConn
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Being an alum I'd love to see CSU move to a P5 conference, but they are nowhere near ready. Typically teams from the MW which have moved up have dominated it before doing so. It's been awhile since CSU won the MW, and they are picked 3rd in the Mountain division this year. They are building a new on campus stadium, completely revamping their basketball arena, and adding the typical state-of-the-art training facility, but I'd say they are at least 5 years out, and they need to win some titles in that period.

The program from the MW which I think is ready to move up is SDSU. They've been winning titles in football and basketball, but they'd be a much better fit for a Pac 12 expansion as would Boise St, and BYU for that matter. If the Big 12 adds two teams my guess would be Memphis and Cincy. On a side note there's some serious talk in Denver that our rookie QB out of Memphis, Paxton Lynch could end up the starter at some point.
 
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SanAntonioCat said:
.... TCU, Kansas could go B1G. West Virginia would go ACC with one more TBA..
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I could believe Kansas to the B1G, but TCU going there sounds pretty far fetched.

And one thing for certain: it's pretty well known that the ACC has no interest in West Virginia. WVU has been trying to get into the ACC since the league was formed. They've asked and been turned down several times. I'm not sure why that is, but it is. I think WVU to the SEC is more likely, and I doubt that would happen either.
 
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genghis_card said:
I could believe Kansas to the B1G, but TCU going there sounds pretty far fetched.

And one thing for certain: it's pretty well known that the ACC has no interest in West Virginia. WVU has been trying to get into the ACC since the league was formed. They've asked and been turned down several times. I'm not sure why that is, but it is. I think WVU to the SEC is more likely, and I doubt that would happen either.
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WVU is far superior to Louisville. The Big 12 isn't going anywhere until it's grant of rights expires in 2025, but the ACC would gladly trade Louisville for WVU if it could get away with it.
 
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Kansas brings zero TV market, The Big Ten will have little to no interest in adding them. And I can't see the Pac 12 bringing in Texas Tech. It is not a fit culturally or academically, and Texas Tech doesn't bring enough on the athletics side to overcome that.

Actually I could see a lot of Big 12 schools being left out if there is a consolidation. Oklahoma and Texas will certainly get bids. From that point it really is a crap shoot.
 
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ok-cats-computer said:
WVU is far superior to Louisville. The Big 12 isn't going anywhere until it's grant of rights expires in 2025, but the ACC would gladly trade Louisville for WVU if it could get away with it.
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Not true....even most WVU ppl would disagree with this post....apparantly a lot of bad history with WVU & many schools in the ACC.

For WVU sake I hope they do expand and extend the GoR...2025 is looming for them and schools like Iowa State...
 
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Not true....even most WVU ppl would disagree with this post....apparantly a lot of bad history with WVU & many schools in the ACC.

For WVU sake I hope they do expand and extend the GoR...2025 is looming for them and schools like Iowa State...
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WVU and Louisville went toe to toe when they were both trying to get into the Big 12 at the same time. The Big 12 compared the schools and chose WVU, because it is the better program. Since getting into the ACC, the only thing Louisville has done is to embarras the conference with a nasty hookers for recruits scandle.
 
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This is prediction from ESPN

Three bold predictions for the Big 12

1. The Big 12 will expand to 12 teams: Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby interviewed representatives of 20 -- 20! -- schools earlier this month about possibly joining his league. By mid-October, the Big 12 will indeed add two more schools for next season -- Cincinnati and Houston.
 
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ok-cats-computer said:
WVU and Louisville went toe to toe when they were both trying to get into the Big 12 at the same time. The Big 12 compared the schools and chose WVU, because it is the better program. Since getting into the ACC, the only thing Louisville has done is to embarras the conference with a nasty hookers for recruits scandle.
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Apparently still for some reason WVU and many schools in the ACC have a very bad relationship and it going to be almost impossible for them to get into the ACC...Texas wanted WVU....Oklahoma wanted Louisville...Texas won out...and in retrospect Louisville ended up on much more solid footing....wish WVU the best going forward.
 
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Now this is from ESPN....still a cluster...

The Big 12 has narrowed its list of expansion candidates to at least 12 schools, sources told ESPN.

The 12 schools are Air Force, BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, Houston, Rice, South Florida, SMU, Temple and Tulane.

Eight of the candidates still alive in the Big 12's expansion sweepstakes are members of the American Athletic Conference: UCF, Cincinnati, UConn, Houston, South Florida, SMU, Temple and Tulane. Air Force and Colorado State are Mountain West members, Rice is in Conference USA, and BYU is an independent.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ws-list-expansion-candidates-least-12-schools
 
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maysvilleky said:
I agree...Take OSU and OK and call it a day for the SEC. It adds quality fb, basketball, and baseball.
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Take this FWIW, but I've been told that many years ago (back when only 8 teams) SEC schools agreed that expansion would not consider schools in states already represented, and would not expand into new states more than once. If that is true (again, take it for what it's worth), then the two expansions have followed those rules. South Carolina + Arkansas and A&M + Missouri. This would mean no additional schools from Texas. It would mean only one school from Oklahoma could join. Also would mean no additional Florida schools, no to Georgia Tech, Clemson, etc.

Imho, the perfect expansion combination would be V. Tech (huge DC / northern VA television market $$) + either of OU or OSU. A poster above mentioned something about ACC "grant of rights" preventing their schools from leaving. I'm not familiar with that and wouldn't mind it explained (e.g. how it was imposed, under what authority, when exactly - other than obviously since after Maryland left).
 
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This is from ESPN about grant of rights
The conference's grant of rights makes it financially untenable for a school to leave, guaranteeing in the 20 years of the deal that a school's media rights, including revenue, for all home games would remain with the ACC regardless of the school's affiliation.
 
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Gotta think Houston and Memphis at the top of the list....with Cincinnati, UConn, BYU, East Carolina and UCF or USF on the next tier....
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Houston, BYU, USF and one of the others depending on how they feel about the markets.s
 
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fuzz77 said:
Geographically...Houston makes sense, but not financially. As has been discussed in so much of this expansion talk the reason to expand is to gain new markets. Houston doesn't fit for the same reasons that Clemson, Florida State and Georgia Tech would never get into the SEC...those markets are covered already and the way the TV contracts are written they wouldn't produce any additional revenue. The Big 12 already has plenty of feet in the Houston/Texas market so I doubt it would want any more.
Cincy, Memphis, BYU, UCF, USF are the schools I would think are on the top of the list with others like So Miss, Boise St...as plan b candidates.
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Houston, SMU and TCU were part of the old Southwest Conference that were all Texas schools and Arkansas.
 
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