Mac Jones Flipping to A&M?

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That was a well written response. The only problem is that it is factually incorrect. Take a deep breath and then go back and read what I wrote. I absolutely did not contradict myself. Focus on the part where I said "any particular recruit". That means that none of us can say what a single recruit, in this case, Mac Jones will do based on our record. Then I said as a rule, the recruits who are still on the fence could easily be swayed by our record. You are correct when you say that recruits have been signing with UK based on what they thought Stoops could do with the program. They have. Then, I was correct when I said that the time has come that recruits need to see some results. Stoops could sell them on his plan for the future when he didn't have much of a track record. He sold it real well. However, he has had two 5 win seasons in a row. If he doesn't improve on that this year, it is going to be really hard to sell recruits on a plan for improvement when the cold hard evidence tells them that we not improving at all. I also said that the margin of victory could play a part. I thought that was self-explanatory but let me spell it out for you. We could lose 7 but if two of those were to Bama and UT in overtime and all the other losses were close, Stoops could still make an argument that we are on an upward trajectory. Still, the bottom line is that wins help recruiting and losses hurt recruiting.

You are entitled to your opinion but so is everybody else. And remember it is just your opinion and because people have different opinions doesn't make them wrong.
Okay. I am completely calm now. LOL! I laugh when a poster tells me to take a deep breath, or calm down. It tells me that he can't refute what I am saying. As a former athlete who knows other athletes, I would say that players don't make their college decisions over a couple of wins and losses. I was lucky enough to have help from my parents. Some players don't get much of that, but everyone tries to figure out where their lives will be best in the next 4-5 years. The rapport with the head coach and the position coach is critical. You have to believe the coaches have the ship headed in the right direction. If you have other career interests besides football, the school must offer the right academics. I have never seen a player say he is going to a school if they win 6 games, but he won't go if they win 4 or 5. And that includes kids without parental supervision. They care about the future, not the past so much. If I was considering signing in Kentucky's 2017 class, I certainly care whether the program appears to be in sound hands. I care a lot about the campus environment. I care a lot about my relationship with Coach Stoops. But why do I care about the 2016 record? I won't even be there in 2016. I sure as hell care about the record in 2017-20, but that's a different issue. That requires an assessment of the direction the program is headed in. So I see new construction everywhere, a new practice facility, a remodeled stadium, and great recruiting classes in 2016 and 2017. Relatively speaking, whether Kentucky wins this game or that game in 2016 means nothing unless I see something in those games that makes me believe Stoops is failing. Usually, you can't see that in 1 or 2 games, especially when the coach is recruiting as well as Stoops is now. I hope this helps.
 

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Let's be sure everyone understands your opinion here. As you stated, you believe that Mac Jones will sign with Kentucky if we win 6 games this year. But if we only win 5 games, you believe he will sign somewhere else. LOL! So, basically, you believe a kid with more than 25 scholarship offers is going to make his college decision and set up his college education based on whether Kentucky goes 6-6 or 5-7 in 2016. None of the other qualities that have attracted Jones to Kentucky in the 1st place will matter. It just comes down to 1 win. I suspect Jones is a little smarter than you think he is.
Wow, just wow. You have the worst reading compression on the board. To respond to your little smart *** rant yes 1 win is a big difference. If you need me to explain to you the difference then I will have to ask you which bowl game did we go to this past season? None? You guessed it. That's what 1 win difference is. It's even bigger than that in case you haven't been following. Stoops is on the hot seat whether you like it or not. Even if Mitch is committed to him do you really think it would be hard for rival recruiters to say that he could get fired. There is atleast enough for a cloud of doubt to be hung over Stoops' head. Or do you just not think that kids care about whether or not the coach they commit to will actually be there or not.

If you don't believe that we need to show a history of success then I would suggest that you have never been around one of these kids when they are making their decision. It's all business to them. Also keep in mind that the last starting QB we have had that finished his career here was Morgan Newton. I kid you not. Every starting QB since Newton has transferred. And Newton didn't even end his career as the starter. We are not only not getting kids to the NFL we aren't even getting them to their senior season. And it's not from a lack of talent. That is not the record of success that any recruit wants to see. It is absolutely essential that we reach a bowl game, if for no other reason than to put to rest the Stoops on the hot seat talk. It is also essential that we demonstrate that we can actually coach the QB position at a competent level.
 

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He will be the first huge offensive star under Stoops if he stays with UK.
Mac Jones is certainly an interesting prospect. He has grown 2 inches in the last 2 years. He needs to get stronger. But his throwing mechanics, accuracy, and leadership skills are elite. Looks like his ratings keep going up as his size and physical strength increase. Months ago, I predicted Hudson would be the hardest commitment to hold onto. I think Jones will stick. Apparently he isn't interested in Alabama. He has stopped taking campus visits. He has a good rapport with Gran and Hinshaw, and he says he likes their offense. Unless Jones has 1 other school specifically in mind to wait for an offer, I think this may be about over.
 

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Mac Jones is certainly an interesting prospect. He has grown 2 inches in the last 2 years. He needs to get stronger. But his throwing mechanics, accuracy, and leadership skills are elite. Looks like his ratings keep going up as his size and physical strength increase. Months ago, I predicted Hudson would be the hardest commitment to hold onto. I think Jones will stick. Apparently he isn't interested in Alabama. He has stopped taking campus visits. He has a good rapport with Gran and Hinshaw, and he says he likes their offense. Unless Jones has 1 other school specifically in mind to wait for an offer, I think this may be about over.

Bama took a QB commit after the offer to Jones. A&M took a QB commit after the offer to Jones. Ole Miss was the most recent offer but haven't heard of interest by Jones there. Three Florida schools took commits from others early on. This is probably over unless something unforeseen pops.
 
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As it continues.
The numbers don't lie. 17,336 posts. 376 likes. That's ugly. It's the board's vote on you. Not mine. Might want to find another hobby, because blowing up other posters isn't working for you.
 
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Bama took a QB commit after the offer to Jones. A&M took a QB commit after the offer to Jones. Ole Miss was the most recent offer but haven't heard of interest by Jones there. Three Florida schools took offers from others early on. This is probably over unless something unforeseen pops.
I think so. Things can always change with any prospect, and interest in Jones is bound to keep rising. But he stopped taking campus visits. He gets along well with Gran and Hinshaw, and he likes their offense. The Kentucky opportunity is great for Jones. He gets to play behind Landon Young, Drake Jackson, GAA. Maybe Wills, we will see soon enough. Kentucky has a huge young stable of receivers, with Richardson also coming in. At Kentucky, Jones will inherit the quarterback job. At other schools, he would have to compete for it. Sounds like a perfect opportunity to me.
 

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I think so. Things can always change with any prospect, and interest in Jones is bound to keep rising. But he stopped taking campus visits. He gets along well with Gran and Hinshaw, and he likes their offense. The Kentucky opportunity is great for Jones. He gets to play behind Landon Young, Drake Jackson, GAA. Maybe Wills, we will see soon enough. Kentucky has a huge young stable of receivers, with Richardson also coming in. At Kentucky, Jones will inherit the quarterback job. At other schools, he would have to compete for it. Sounds like a perfect opportunity to me.

I think the initial hysteria about Jones flipping in the near future are way overblown. If Jones were to flip, it will be much later this year if the program goes into dumpster-fire mode. I don't think that's going to happen, but the last two seasons have indicated a trend of late-season collapses. That can't be allowed to happen this year, otherwise Jones and other commits will have other programs trying to sway them away.
 

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I think the initial hysteria about Jones flipping in the near future are way overblown. If Jones were to flip, it will be much later this year if the program goes into dumpster-fire mode. I don't think that's going to happen, but the last two seasons have indicated a trend of late-season collapses. That can't be allowed to happen this year, otherwise Jones and other commits will have other programs trying to sway them away.
I agree with you. But 2016 will be another rebuilding season with some disappointing weeks. We just don't have enough bodies, skill, or experience along our defensive front yet. I don't get the sense that Mac Jones' decision will be influenced by that. He says he is solid to Kentucky, and I believe him. From his point of view, the key is the direction of our football program in 2017 and beyond. He will be playing behind Landon Young, Drake Jackson, GAA, and he will have a lot of talented receivers including Greenwood and Richardson. It looks a very good situation for Jones.
 

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I agree with you. But 2016 will be another rebuilding season with some disappointing weeks. We just don't have enough bodies, skill, or experience along our defensive front yet. I don't get the sense that Mac Jones' decision will be influenced by that. He says he is solid to Kentucky, and I believe him. From his point of view, the key is the direction of our football program in 2017 and beyond. He will be playing behind Landon Young, Drake Jackson, GAA, and he will have a lot of talented receivers including Greenwood and Richardson. It looks a very good situation for Jones.

Looks like a good situation for a lot of players if we add a win or two to show our coaches can coach. Of course wins aren't everything, but they are hard to ignore and will affect recruiting, although they have overcome the lack of wins so far.
 
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One extra win on its own may not make a difference. However, if that win extends the season, excitement, hype and upward swing of the program's trajectory it might make a difference. Win 6 and the momentum rolls, getting stuck on 5 and no bowl again and things get much tougher all the way around. Talking heads, fans, hs coaches, recruits all begin to wonder if Stoops can get it done.
 

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I agree with you. But 2016 will be another rebuilding season with some disappointing weeks. We just don't have enough bodies, skill, or experience along our defensive front yet. I don't get the sense that Mac Jones' decision will be influenced by that. He says he is solid to Kentucky, and I believe him. From his point of view, the key is the direction of our football program in 2017 and beyond. He will be playing behind Landon Young, Drake Jackson, GAA, and he will have a lot of talented receivers including Greenwood and Richardson. It looks a very good situation for Jones.
We should have finished last year at 7-5 and gone bowling. Same in '14...bodies be dammed just piss poor coaching.
 

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I think the initial hysteria about Jones flipping in the near future are way overblown. If Jones were to flip, it will be much later this year if the program goes into dumpster-fire mode. I don't think that's going to happen, but the last two seasons have indicated a trend of late-season collapses. That can't be allowed to happen this year, otherwise Jones and other commits will have other programs trying to sway them away.
Agree. Exceedingly important on several levels to be on the improve and make a bowl this season.
 

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I think Stoops will be at UK a lot longer than Sumlin will be at A & M......Given the grind of the SECW, the Aggies could end up last in that division. They are not paying Sumlin ~$5M per year to finish last.....

At the end of 2016, I think A & M and Auburn will be looking for new coaches......
Nope