Well ill give him that. Im not saying he wont be good, he might be. But might be isnt good enuff for this hire. Yernalways gonna wlook good replacing an incompetent. But that means you might just be good in comparison, yet still neither good enuff nor great
Mike Bohn knows what he wants in the next USC head coach
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I still don't understand why Franklin is constantly mentioned. He's far worse than Bob "Big Game" Stoops, who could never win a big game. Hell, he blew a 3 score lead against Helton in the Rose Bowl.
Does he just have insane agents always working to get him a raise? Is he now "hot" again after beating Wisconsin, while going 4-5 last year? (3 of those wins were against the worst teams in the conference).
I'd like to see what Donte can do this year; and give him a real opportunity.
Surprised to see Sark and Kiffin there but not coach O. May as well list all the previous post Hackett SC coaches.
For clarification, Kiffin had been head coach of both the Raiders and Tennessee prior to our job. He'd had experience running a program. Sark was HC at Washington, time to stop saying we'd made hires without HC experience. That only applies to Helton.
And it also applies to John McKay and John Robinson 1.
What?. Lane Kiffin was Pete Carroll’s project from 2001 to 2004. He went to the Oakland Raiders for 1 season 2007 where they almost instantly had buyers remorse and fired him in 2008. He went to Tennessee for 1 year in 2009 came back to USC. He was rehired at USC as the HC in 2010. So if you’re counting 1 1/2 years of coaching experience most of it was him holding on from getting fired or him looking to bolt for better deal at legit Coaching experience then I can’t help you.
Point in he was a learning on the job hire at USC. Same thing with Sark. You can google this.
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He's a good recruiter and has good energy. And yes, I believe his team is fairly active in getting his name out in these situations. I wouldn't consider him if this was my decision.
Sark was the head coach at Washington for five full seasons. Kiffin coached a year plus at Oakland (20 games) and a full year at Tennessee. There is no empirical evidence that retreads do better than first timers which is why people obsessed with the idea need to make stuff up. Most of us don't need to google it we have a very clear memory of the events.
He's talking about our DB coach.
Mike Bohn knows what he wants in the next USC head coach
As for what he's looking for in this search, Bohn said, "Leadership, high integrity, character, the ability to connect with young men."www.on3.com
I seriously think if MC at duck-land doesn’t get it, or shall I say “turns it down “ the HC at Cincinnati will get it. Franklin is a long shot at best. I hope we don’t look stupid and coach after coach turns it down then we end up with “Charlie the retread” coach
I have met Bohn. My general impression is that he gets the culture at USC. I do not think Folt has a clue. She may be the one who has held him back.
I might have to put $10 on each one of these guys. Would be worth it....however, we probably won't hire any of these guys.
I'm comfortable with Bohn making the decision. We now have a professional AD involved in and running the process. The Kiffn, Sarkisian and bad Helton choices were made on the "old buddy" principle. None of them had a coaching background that reflected accomplishments over and beyond average., in fact Sark was the only one with preeious head coach experience. Sark went 34-29 at UW and was 12-6 at USC when he was fired.
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Merlin, you have hit on something that makes these coaching searches perilous. You can't have it all. It is balancing and prioritizing your values. If you apply the equation to Helton and Carroll what do you get?
Helton vs Carroll
Leadership 5 vs 10
Fit 5 vs 10
Character 10 vs 7
Integrity 10 vs 7
I am on board, lets give up a little bit of integrity and character for leadership and fit. A 7 in integrity and character is still not bad.
Josh
USC needs a coach that wants to be at USC. Posters seem to forget or not know about the Pete Carroll hire and the circus that occurred around the open USC HC job at that time. AD Garrett wanted Mike Riley, who was interested in the job but couldn't get out of his contract with the Chargers. Carroll really really wanted the job, but had already been fired by two different NFL teams and wasn't on anyones radar or Garrett's list of possible candidates. When the Riley option vanished, Garrett was not exactly back a square zero but definitely not thinking about Carroll. It was Jaime Carroll, Pete's daughter and freshman at USC on the woman's volleyball team that got the opening for her dad into Heritage Hall. Pete got an interview with a very skeptical Garrett but wowed him by specifically analyzing the team's last seasons breaking down what was wrong, detailing what he'd do if hired and overflowing with energy and enthusiasm about the possibility of being the head football coach at USC. The rest is history... I also remember the LA Times calling it the worst hire in the history of USC football and that Carroll would be unemployed again sooner rather than later.
Bottom line for me is that USC needs a head coach that really wants to be at USC, and not someone that has to be begged or arm twisted into taking the job.
Bottom line for me is that USC needs a head coach that really wants to be at USC, and not someone that has to be begged or arm twisted into taking the job.
We should really be considering some top coordinators for the USC HC job. Do you want an tired, old HC that has only had medium success at USC, well then hire a failed HC from another program. Or we can hire away one of the most brilliant minds in all of football, who is the defensive coordinator at Clemson - Brent Venables.
Hiring a good, but not great coach like James Franklin, who cant compete with Ohio State, is NOT the way to become a national champion. We need to hire the next generation of great coaches. That means stealing a top coordinator away from a top program.
My dream team coaching staff is HC Brent Venables, OC Joe Moorhead, DC Donte Williams. We can keep Vic So'Oto. Venables is a great recruiter, Donte is a great recruiter and Moorhead is a great strategic coach. Is it possible to get Venables to leave mid-season and can we poach Moorhead mid-season?
HC experience is over-rated. Hire the brightest football mind out there - Venables.
Hiring a good, but not great coach like James Franklin, who cant compete with Ohio State, is NOT the way to become a national champion. We need to hire the next generation of great coaches. That means stealing a top coordinator away from a top program.
My dream team coaching staff is HC Brent Venables, OC Joe Moorhead, DC Donte Williams. We can keep Vic So'Oto. Venables is a great recruiter, Donte is a great recruiter and Moorhead is a great strategic coach. Is it possible to get Venables to leave mid-season and can we poach Moorhead mid-season?
HC experience is over-rated. Hire the brightest football mind out there - Venables.
I don’t want a coach who wants to make his bones at USC but hungers for the NFL. The last five years of Pete was a never ending “will he or won’t he.“ He had unfinished business in with the NFL. Don’t want that again. We need someone who wants to be the next Saban or Dabo, and make it happen at USC.
Sorry but I have to say no to a coordinator. The HC job is very different from the OC and DC jobs. Its about overseeing an entire 120 man team and a boat load of coaches and staff. Organizing a whole program. Just watch the post practice interview with Donte Williams this past week where he talked about just trying to learn what the offense is doing and their play calling language. Look at Dave Aranda's mess of a first year at Baylor, yes he's getting better, but Bear fans are watching a DC learn how to be a HC in real time. Based on what Bohn has said this week and the evidence from his past hires at UC and USC I really can't see him hiring someone that hasn't been a HC before... if USC wins the Pac-12 this season then yes Donte Willams will get the job, not because he was a great recruiter and assistant but because he'd have proven himself as a HC by being a HC for 10 games and most of the season.
