Mullen/Hud ... Discussion.

[bigdawg22.sixpack]

I'm stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard place on this issue. When the coaching carousel started and Mullen's name came up yet again for another "big time program" I was dissapointed to say the least. Then coach Hud was rumored to being in the running for some pretty dang good coaching searches but pulled his name out due to the fact that is heart was at MSU. Man, that made me feel good. I was ready for Mullen to go ahead and take the Penn St. job and get Coach Hud on board. Then BOOM, Quay Evans commits to us and say's "look for some more big time recruits to jump on board". I instantly thought, oh crap, we have to keep Mullen. In my opinion a championship team starts on the DL and signing Quay, Autry and Ward would be huge for our program. If Mullen were to leave and possibly take Wilson with him, that could possibly kill all of our momentum. So as a state fan I'm torn between which scenario I would rather have play out.

If I were a recruit I wouldn't care who the head coach was at MSU, I would go play football there because of my love for the program. Unfortunately, those recruits are few and far between.

So, assuming I were a recruit that didn't have a preference as to which school I played for, I just wanted to play in the NFL one day and my college decision was based on which coach/system would get me there, and I believed that guy is Mullen, I would be hesistant to go to MSU. Mullen's name seems to be in the mix for nearly every major coaching search. Regardless of wether or not he takes the job at Penn St. this year, I would still be worried that he would leave after the next year, or the next. I would want a coach that was commited to that school just as he would expect me to commit to that school.

I really like Mullen, I think he has our program going in the right direction but I'm still a little hesitant to fall in love with the guy because I'm worried he's going to break my heart and leave for another program. That would piss me off, the last thing I want is for MSU to be a stepping stone to a coaches "dream job." He could erase that by publically announcing that he isn't going anywhere, that this is where he wants to be and wants to raise his kids here and is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, he hasn't done that.

With all that being said, this would be the perfect scenario in my opinion. Hopefully, Strickland and Coach Hud have been working a deal behind the scenes and sometime after signing day we will hire Coach Hud as the Head O.C. and the HEAD COACH IN WAITING. I'm a believer in Coach Hud, I think he is an offensive genius. But more than anything, I am a believer that MSU is Coach Hud's dream job. That is selling point to recruits and that's what it is going to take for us to take the next step and be relevant year in and year out.

Thoughts?

 

[bigdawg22.sixpack]

I'm stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard place on this issue. When the coaching carousel started and Mullen's name came up yet again for another "big time program" I was dissapointed to say the least. Then coach Hud was rumored to being in the running for some pretty dang good coaching searches but pulled his name out due to the fact that is heart was at MSU. Man, that made me feel good. I was ready for Mullen to go ahead and take the Penn St. job and get Coach Hud on board. Then BOOM, Quay Evans commits to us and say's "look for some more big time recruits to jump on board". I instantly thought, oh crap, we have to keep Mullen. In my opinion a championship team starts on the DL and signing Quay, Autry and Ward would be huge for our program. If Mullen were to leave and possibly take Wilson with him, that could possibly kill all of our momentum. So as a state fan I'm torn between which scenario I would rather have play out.

If I were a recruit I wouldn't care who the head coach was at MSU, I would go play football there because of my love for the program. Unfortunately, those recruits are few and far between.

So, assuming I were a recruit that didn't have a preference as to which school I played for, I just wanted to play in the NFL one day and my college decision was based on which coach/system would get me there, and I believed that guy is Mullen, I would be hesistant to go to MSU. Mullen's name seems to be in the mix for nearly every major coaching search. Regardless of wether or not he takes the job at Penn St. this year, I would still be worried that he would leave after the next year, or the next. I would want a coach that was commited to that school just as he would expect me to commit to that school.

I really like Mullen, I think he has our program going in the right direction but I'm still a little hesitant to fall in love with the guy because I'm worried he's going to break my heart and leave for another program. That would piss me off, the last thing I want is for MSU to be a stepping stone to a coaches "dream job." He could erase that by publically announcing that he isn't going anywhere, that this is where he wants to be and wants to raise his kids here and is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, he hasn't done that.

With all that being said, this would be the perfect scenario in my opinion. Hopefully, Strickland and Coach Hud have been working a deal behind the scenes and sometime after signing day we will hire Coach Hud as the Head O.C. and the HEAD COACH IN WAITING. I'm a believer in Coach Hud, I think he is an offensive genius. But more than anything, I am a believer that MSU is Coach Hud's dream job. That is selling point to recruits and that's what it is going to take for us to take the next step and be relevant year in and year out.

Thoughts?

 

[PBRME]

Mullen is our coach and that's it for me. I don't want him to leave....period.

Hud won't be OC. He won't work under Mullen again.

Edit to add below:

"He could erase that by publically announcing that he isn't going anywhere, that this is where he wants to be and wants to raise his kids here and is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, he hasn't done that."

http://nems360.com/view/full_story/10593285/article-Mullen-surprised-by-Meyer-s-resignation--says-he%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98happy-at-State%E2%80%99http://nems360.com/view/full_story/16612142/article-BRAD-LOCKE--Mullen-says-he-s-happy-in-Starkville?instance=commented
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/40446/dan-mullen-denies-having-contact-with-psu
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20111215/SPORTS030102/112150335/Mullen-s-deal-extended

That's just a few articles of many posted whereDan has publicly announced he's not going anywhere. He's said many times over the last 3 years he's committed to our program.That doesn't mean he won't talk to other schools to see whatthey have to offer. It would be dumb on his part totalk to them.

 

[shsdawg]

helicopters?

 

[Coach34]

The SEC is becoming far and away the top conference. Money is flowing in. It's the high-profile place to be. His pay is in the top 20 in all of college football. I cant see Mullen leaving unless he gets a top 15 program job. And to get those jobs- he will have to beat out some stout competition.<div>
</div><div>I think the Spread Option is here to stay awhile.
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[bigdawg22.sixpack]

Coach34, I hope your right. I would just like for Mullen to come out and say that.

 

[tupelotim]

History tells us that the MSU head coaching job is a stepping stone to unemployment/head coaching graveyard. If and when we become a stepping stone to a coaches dream job I can deal with it.

 

[AssEndDawg]

I really like Mullen, I think he has our program going in the right direction but I'm still a little hesitant to fall in love with the guy because I'm worried he's going to break my heart and leave for another program. That would piss me off, the last thing I want is for MSU to be a stepping stone to a coaches "dream job." He could erase that by publically announcing that he isn't going anywhere, that this is where he wants to be and wants to raise his kids here and is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, he hasn't done that.

You are a 16 year old girl with an inferiority complex. That's my primary thought.

Mississippi State is a lower level SEC team. You need to make peace with that. We can move up, but we are never going to make that leap by insisting on taking lower level SEC coaches because we are such pussies that we desire love and affection over someone who can actually coach some @#*@*%+ football. Dan was a great hire. He's doing great things for our program. You can look at the win/loss record and scoff but the real magic is that he has been so patient. He has brought in some talent that could have been pushed to the field to help some right away, but he prefers to red shirt and develop players so they can be effective for us in the long run. Even if Dan leaves he is leaving us in a much better position than he found us in.

I like Hud, I would love for him to coach at MSU again some day. But right now we have a great coach who is managing our program the way it should be done if we are to be competitive and is steadily moving us toward that middle tier in the conference. Why anyone would look at anything Dan has done as negative is beyond me. Two straight bowls and nearly two years of sell out crowds. The guy is definitely giving us what we pay for.

Oh, and as to announcing that he isn't interested in other jobs, you people are @#*@*%+ delusional. If he was stupid enough to do something like that I would have serious questions about his ability. He has let it be known that he is happy and is liking MSU but he's not stupid enough to cut off offers before they come. You don't throw things out before weighing your options. Dan has had chances and he CHOSE to stay at MSU. I can't understand why that doesn't make people feel better.

 

[Coach34]

Coach34, I hope your right. I would just like for Mullen to come out and say that.

repeatedly

 

[Goat Grindin]

mainly because he's gotten pretty damn good results in his first 3 years here. Let's face it, he's overachieved and underachieved a little, but not the huge peaks and valleys that Jackie led us through. Sort of like a bond vs. a stock. In the end, I think Mullen leads us to peaks but we stay there more permanently than Jackie's peaks. We probably should have beaten Auburn this year, probably Houston or LSU in 2009, but probably should have lost to Florida last year, or maybe even La. Tech this year. Overall, he's gotten the best out of the program, consistently. We have proof of that. All we have of Hud is that he was a winning coach at UNA and overachieved in one season at ULL. Pretty good resume, but if I'm choosing right now, I take Mullen easily. But Hud is a clear #2.<div>
</div><div>All that said, you may get to see the story play out next year. It will be Mullen's chance to get a big payday, either from us or someone else. Next year is our shot to get to 10 wins. We have the players, support, coaches, and schedule for it.</div>

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I'm stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard place on this issue. When the coaching carousel started and Mullen's name came up yet again for another "big time program" I was dissapointed to say the least. Then coach Hud was rumored to being in the running for some pretty dang good coaching searches but pulled his name out due to the fact that is heart was at MSU. Man, that made me feel good. I was ready for Mullen to go ahead and take the Penn St. job and get Coach Hud on board. Then BOOM, Quay Evans commits to us and say's "look for some more big time recruits to jump on board". I instantly thought, oh crap, we have to keep Mullen. In my opinion a championship team starts on the DL and signing Quay, Autry and Ward would be huge for our program. If Mullen were to leave and possibly take Wilson with him, that could possibly kill all of our momentum. So as a state fan I'm torn between which scenario I would rather have play out.

If I were a recruit I wouldn't care who the head coach was at MSU, I would go play football there because of my love for the program. Unfortunately, those recruits are few and far between.

So, assuming I were a recruit that didn't have a preference as to which school I played for, I just wanted to play in the NFL one day and my college decision was based on which coach/system would get me there, and I believed that guy is Mullen, I would be hesistant to go to MSU. Mullen's name seems to be in the mix for nearly every major coaching search. Regardless of wether or not he takes the job at Penn St. this year, I would still be worried that he would leave after the next year, or the next. I would want a coach that was commited to that school just as he would expect me to commit to that school.

I really like Mullen, I think he has our program going in the right direction but I'm still a little hesitant to fall in love with the guy because I'm worried he's going to break my heart and leave for another program. That would piss me off, the last thing I want is for MSU to be a stepping stone to a coaches "dream job." He could erase that by publically announcing that he isn't going anywhere, that this is where he wants to be and wants to raise his kids here and is here for the long haul. Unfortunately, he hasn't done that.

With all that being said, this would be the perfect scenario in my opinion. Hopefully, Strickland and Coach Hud have been working a deal behind the scenes and sometime after signing day we will <font size="5">hire Coach Hud as the Head O.C. and the HEAD COACH IN WAITING.</font> I'm a believer in Coach Hud, I think he is an offensive genius. But more than anything, I am a believer that MSU is Coach Hud's dream job. That is selling point to recruits and that's what it is going to take for us to take the next step and be relevant year in and year out.

Thoughts?

Dude, or girl, he just left to be a HC. He's not going to come back to the exact same position at the exact same school. That would be ludicrous. Also, I'm with Coach, I think he's here a while, so why would someone come and be the head coach in waiting under a 39 year old, 4th year head coach? He could be waiting a long time.....I think that's why Muschamp left Texas. Who would want to be the head coach in waiting at MSU? Why not just be a head coach somewhere and then whenever/if Mullen moves on, take the MSU job? <div>
</div><div>I think Mullen is happy here. Here's what I believe. Mullen took the job in Starkville, since Megan liked the area so much. His name started coming up along with getting offered a couple jobs. (Miami all but offered, Tenn wanted to talk to him before they hired Dooley, others have tried to talk to him as well I'm sure) ANYWAY, Megan says, "Dan, I'll make a deal with you. I will fight, kick, and scream for us not to move to ANY job in America. My parents are here, the schools are great, the people love us, and it's a great area. BUT, if PSU ever calls, I won't get upset because I know it's your dream job." If PSU was in proper standing, I hate to say it, but I think Mullen would bounce for that. Other than that I don't think Mullen ever leaves MSU for ANY program except Penn State and then maybe a Florida, although I think Slive would never be on the school's side who poached a coach within the same league.</div>

 

[RocketDawg]

And he stated when he came here, and many times since then, that he is here to win championships. He didn't say "go to Atlanta", he said win championships.<div>
</div><div>Hudspeth had a good record this year, especially considering what was expected. But he wasn't playing an SEC schedule ... nowhere near it. I'm still not sure what the love affair for him is.<div>
</div><div>Mullen has done a great job at MSU and will continue to do so, I think. He's here to stay.</div></div>

 

[was21]

as long as he is...I'm satisfied.

 

[patdog]

Give me a coach who WINS. Whether he leaves or not, like Al Davis said, just win baby. If you win and stay, great. If you win and leave, that's great too because we'll be in good shape to make a good hire.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...Hud was about to lose his bowl, which would have mercifully rid us of threads like this.


But a DL flinched, & the ref tossed the flag for a rarely called infraction...a DL flinching.


This puts ULL in FG range, where the ULL FG kicker can then luck out & get his FG, thereby giving ULL the win.
Cue all the sixpack swooning over Hud as the more desirable daddy figure.


I could kick that ref's ***.

 

[the next big thing]

Nm

 

[Incognegro]

As a fan... all I can ask for is to just win. I can't expect every single coach that comes here to want and stay here and make this place their home. The only thing I can expect for them to do while they're here is to work their *** off and try to make us into a respectable program. If they have the opportunity to leave for what they may believe to be greener pastures, then I'll thank them and hope they continue what they've done for us elsewhere. I don't see any need in getting mad at a coach that is looking out for their best interests.

 

[AssEndDawg]

I don't see any need in getting mad at a coach that is looking out for their best interests.

Especially when we would fire his *** in a heartbeat if it better served the interests of Mississippi State. Coaching is a tough career and while we are offering him money via contract we aren't guaranteeing him a long term job. See: Houston Nutt.

 

[Todd4State]

would be awkward at best. Bad idea. It would divide our coaching staff and possibly the players too.

And Dan doesn't deserve that. Heck, if we wanted to make Hud the coach in waiting, we might as well fire Dan because we would be sending him the message that we don't really want him as our coach.

 

[Todd4State]

I'm sure you will disagree.

 

[Goat Grindin]

Something finally didn't go Mullen's way this year, then suddenly we need to get rid of him for someone better in Hud. You see it on Genespage too. <div>
</div><div>I don't think I'll ever quite wrap my mind around the stupidity of so many MSU fans. Maybe it's human nature? You see it with Stans too to a much bigger extent. My sidewalk Alabama uncle said it best, "They don't even want to win over there...".</div>

 

[Incognegro]

is dependent on how he leaves. It always bugs me to hear when coaches tell their players that their leaving through text messages or they decide to leave as soon as they get here.

 

[gravedigger]

you dont like the fact that Mullen is being courted and think that has a bad effect on recruing? You have two alternatives:

A coach nobody wants
A coach like Saban that is making so much nobody can afford to hire him away.

I dont see that either of those is a good option. We have someone people want and we've weathered 2 years of runs at him.

Now, would Hud do well if Mullen left? yes. Do we want Mullen to leave so we can get Hud? No. </p>

 

[AROB44]

nm

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

What Sixpackers were saying about Sherrill in 2003, and especially about Croom from 2003-6, parts of 2007, and all of 2008, I was saying about Felker in 1990 (Mr. "Run 170 lb. Tay Galloway up the middle 12 straight times against Tennessee").

Hud took arguably the worst team in Division 1-A, and turned them into a 9-win team.

 

[sleepy dawg]

"I'm calling it- Mullen to Penn St"? You don't have to answer, I know you said it. That was just 20 days ago today.

Now I know you say everything two ways so you cannot possibly be wrong about anything, but come on man.

Coach34 will now reply with something like: Everyone on this board knows that I have said this and this and that many times. Here's me saying this and this that will clearly prove you wrong, but also totally contradict my other post.

 

[Coach34]

I'm glad the situation at Penn St turned him off it

 

[GloryDawg]

<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri">Penn State is going to wait one year before hiring a coach.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They are going to keep the interim coaches in place to get through this rough year they have coming.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This will make the transition easier for the new coach.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I think Stricklin has been contacted by Penn State about Mullen taking the job after next season.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span>It Might not all be settled now.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I believe that Stricklin contacted Hudspeth and told him to pull his name from the Ole Miss Job and to be patient. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">I still think that Penn State is Mullen's dream job and they want him as well and are doing what they have to do make the situation better.
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Just theory!

 

[patdog]

Not many players are going to want to sign with them in Feb 2012 not knowing who the coach is going to be. And 2013 recruiting is going to be half over before you name they name a coach. They're going to take a recruiting hit anyway, but if they want to minimize it, they need to go ahead and name a permanent coach.

 

[was21]

job will be little more than a caretaker until everything settles down and they can work trying to hire the corch they want.....should take about five years.