What to make of it, who knows. But we took much more efficient shots yesterday. Not a knock on Caleb, he's an excellent defender, but recently he has been hurting us significantly on offense. We can't afford offensive lapses with our limited capability to begin with.
Offense Was More Crisp With Caleb Out
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Just stop. Clueless. You have to stop.
Caleb takes low-quality shots. That's a fact. And he takes a lot of them. We simply can't afford this down the stretch.
Teams often man up when they lose a player. Other team is prepared for that guy being on the court as well. Now there is video as to what we did. Hopefully it doesn’t come to us being without him any longer
And? Imagine if Caleb had taken lion's share of those shots? We would have lost.
Could have easily been in the 40’s if not for Cam heating up
Disagree. Cam shot the ball extremely well in the first half. Knocking down shots is going to make any offense look “crisp.” When he cooled off a bit in the second half, the offense struggled. It did not have to do with Caleb.
Yes, we were so amazingly efficient we scored 58 points. Kudos to the team for finding a way to win without 2 starters.
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Had a boss once say to me “Wait a second, so you’re telling me I’m surrounded by morons”?
Caleb going forward should be our Mag guy. Killer D, limited O only when good opportunities present themselves.
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The total points tell only part of the story. Need to see the offensive efficiency numbers, as Wisconsin plays at a slow pace so scores are almost always low. I do think Caleb taking the second most shots on the team when he is one of the worst shooters is bad for RU’s offense, as is his tendency at times to excessively dribble. That in no way means we don’t need him starting, as he is an elite defender and when he refrains from chucking up 3s (at 20% FG) and passes first, he is very effective on offense too. He is very good in the lane and cleaning up garbage around the rim.
I agree he should start. But I can't believe number of times I have seen him ignore a wide open Cam, Mag, or Oskar to go iso and heave up a terrible looking fade away. He isn't Geo on O.
How crisp is the offense when Rutgers only scores 58 points.?Rutgers won because they held Wisconsin to less than 60 points in another grind out game.The margin for error is very small because the team lack shooters.The team to their credit find ways to win games on the road.
We scored 22 points in the second half. You think that was crisp? It’s crazy how you have no idea what you’re watching.
Caleb is a threat to do more different things on offense than Palmquist or Reiber.
It's all relative, Bust. With McConnell stealing others' shots we score in 40s. It's crazy how you don't understand simple addition and subtraction.
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Rutgers still going 0-6? Yea you’re a genius alright.
Never said going 0-6. Simply said they might not get 3 wins down stretch for NCAA bid. I am not only one with such concern. Of course they may get them. But we pulled one out of the hat in Wisconsin, mostly because Wisconsin played lousy. Still not a lock with no Mag.
It is easy when you make up your own numbers to support your assumption.
Rutgers scores its third lowest point total of the season, you post about how much more crisp the RU offense was, and you now have to spend post after post attacking others who are simply amazed by your wacky conclusion. Your analysis reads like you’ve been itching to say something and leapt at the first chance you saw to say it regardless of whether it made sense. To the extent your concern about Caleb’s offense this year has any validity, you have just eliminated yourself from the group of people who can sensibly address it.
Sure bud. If he's back in lineup this week against Michigan, let's see what happens. Hopefully he passes to the open man. We need more crisp ball flow to get Cam, Andre, and Oskar good looks. Ball movement slows bigtime when Caleb keeps going one on one.
Ok, so if he’s back in the lineup, you’ll commit that RU scores considerably less than 58? Didn’t think so.
OP is wrong a lot which would not be so bad if he also wasn’t a hemorrhoid.
Caleb in many games is looked to with 7 left on the shot clock and when that happens there will be times when he takes low quality shots. Paul also gets the ball in those tough spots. This is all after we try to run sets and the opposing D shuts them down. I think we all know who we try hard to get the ball to inside and beyond the arc.
Caleb in many games is looked to with 7 left on the shot clock and when that happens there will be times when he takes low quality shots. Paul also gets the ball in those tough spots. This is all after we try to run sets and the opposing D shuts them down. I think we all know who we try hard to get the ball to inside and beyond the arc.
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58 points is a bit of a red herring, our adjusted offensive efficiency in that game was actually the 6th highest of the season. But that probably had a lot do you with, you know, Cam Spencer hitting 5 three pointers and not the absence of Caleb McConnell. If he were replaced with clones of Spencer of Hyatt maybe you would have an argument but replacing Caleb with a blend of Simpson, Reiber, and Palmquist is not some big offensive upgrade. OP is an idiot.
You are showing that you know absolutely nothing because Mag was becoming a legitimate offense threat before he went down
We didn't break the 60 point threshold. Seems like it was one of our lowest scoring games of the year. What am I missing?
No it wasn't. The only difference was
that Cam was hot. We only scored 58 points.
Anyone think Mag's role is limited O obviously wasn't paying attention to his progression prior to the injury.
Caleb needs to take less 3s except when he's wide open. Other than that he is a good passer and ball handler and is a good scorer inside the 3 point line. He averages 10 ppg. There's no way we're better without him, especially compared to Oskar who is a bad ball handler.
Caleb is a very inefficient offensive player. He takes a lot of shots to get that 10 ppg.
Net-net, we’re much better off with Caleb in the lineup because of his defense and rebounding, but he needs to check himself on offense and stop shooting low percentage shots. Like someone said above, he needs to be Mag before Mag became a solidly efficient offensive player over his last 8 or 10 games, i.e., the fifth option.
Right…poor judgment, even more troubling since he’s a 5th year player. He sees this year as ‘his turn’ as the go-to guy and it hurts the team. Re: ‘the last 7 seconds’ comment above…you’re ignoring the 7 seconds before that where he eats clock and then yes, tries to iso the last few seconds. Selfish play far beyond his ability.
Pray for Caleb's return-- unless you're a dumb ____.
Not sure what game you were watching - offense was far from crisp without Caleb. Agree that he needs to limit 3pt attempts and stick to his mid range game. But overall he’s shooting nearly 40% on the year (only 20% from 3) and 75% from the line. He needs to be in the lineup - his defense and leadership outweigh any perceived offensive issues. And for what’s it’s worth, Mag was very efficient offensively before he went down. Shooting 50% and averaging 8 ppg.
Agreed on 58 points not being indicative of how good we were offensively. Pace matters and Wisconsin plays slow
Caleb is bad at other things offensively besides just missing shots - bad reads/decision making, bad ball movement, bad movement away from the ball, over dribbles etc.