OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders

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I have no idea what other teams think of
Holtz
Boqvist
Zetterlund
Schmid
Bahl
Okhotiuk

Obviously 2 guys playing at Michigan
 

TM94goRU

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Zero reason to bring him up though. This is a devils rangers and isnandsrs chat.
It is currently the only NHL Thread. I liken it to the recent talk about all-time great goalies. Besides the NHL trade deadline is fast approaching.

A good player with guts, should be in high demand.
 

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It is currently the only NHL Thread. I liken it to the recent talk about all-time great goalies. Besides the NHL trade deadline is fast approaching.

A good player with guts, should be in high demand.

Ok. Well as you said a few posts above..let’s just “leave it alone”.
 
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krup

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They’ve been playing the same amount of time basically
Timo has 150 goals in and Chytl has 54.
IMO we’ve seen what Chytil is going to give us. 40 points if that
“Same amount of time basically”??

Meier has played 439 games averaging 16:53 TOI with a ton of power play time.

Chytil has played 290 games averaging 13:50 TOI with a small amount of power play time.

In addition, Meier plays with top 6 linemates. Chytil plays with Laf and Vesey.
 
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“Same amount of time basically”??

Meier has played 439 games averaging 16:53 TOI with a ton of power play time.

Chytil has played 290 games averaging 13:50 TOI with a small amount of power play time.

In addition, Meier plays with top 6 linemates. Chytil plays with Laf and Vesey.
Chytil from the start has had chances to play top 6 and not taken advantage or got hurt
 

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I agree. Timo is good friends with Nico, and not small. With the young players in the system, it is thought that Fitzgerald can sign Bratt and Meier, while also making the Devils tougher to play against.

I haven't crunched all the numbers but things seem to work out fine with smart trades and playing more guys on their initial deals.
Meier’s contract situation is particularly bad for the Rangers because he has a $10 million qualifying offer, and they don’t have money this summer, so they can’t qualify him for his last RFA year or pay him long term.

Other teams that have cap space this summer can try to work out a long term deal which should cost 7-8 a year, making that qualifying offer number irrelevant (so he isn’t a rental for anyone but the Rangers).
 
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krup

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Chytil from the start has had chances to play top 6 and not taken advantage or got hurt
With Mika and Strome now Trochek, he has never had a significant chance to be a top 6 center.

You should rest on your laurels about being right about Lafreniere, because you are really reaching in criticizing some of the other young players.
 

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Krup,

Help me out…
He counts 6M against cap because that is his AAV. He gets paid 10M by SJ this year. How does that 10M come in play for signing him?
 

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Pucks and Pitchforks has a story on 3 possible trades for Timo, I can't say I liked any of them, by you have to give to get.

It seems SJ would ask for/expect 1st round pick this year, a non starter for me, and 3 or 4 of our top picks not named Hughes. Of course, Timo would have to agree to an extension.

The NJD farm system last time I checked in October, was top 5. There are players like Arseni Gritsyuk and Tyce Thompson who are not mention here, that are well thought of by other teams.
 

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Pucks and Pitchforks has a story on 3 possible trades for Timo, I can't say I liked any of them, by you have to give to get.

It seems SJ would ask for/expect 1st round pick this year, a non starter for me, and 3 or 4 of our top picks not named Hughes. Of course, Timo would have to agree to an extension.

The NJD farm system last time I checked in October, was top 5. There are players like Arseni Gritsyuk and Tyce Thompson who are not mention here, that are well thought of by other teams.

Our minor league system is stacked. This is the year to afford to give up a 1st.

Add in prospects and Johansson and get Meier here stat
 
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Meier’s contract situation is particularly bad for the Rangers because he has a $10 million qualifying offer, and they don’t have money this summer, so they can’t qualify him for his last RFA year or pay him long term.

Other teams that have cap space this summer can try to work out a long term deal which should cost 7-8 a year, making that qualifying offer number irrelevant (so he isn’t a rental for anyone but the Rangers).
As usual you nailed it. This is the main reason I think Drury may just be trying to Jack up the price on the hated rival NJD. If he is, I say good for him, he should play the game.
 

krup

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Luke is going to be a star.
Just like his two brothers
Quinn Hughes is a very good offensive defenseman who is not great on defense and has production that is too dependent on the power play. More than half of his assists (he doesn’t score a ton of goals ) are on the power play.

I wouldn’t trade Miller for him straight up. Rumor is that EP is the only true untouchable on VAN if the Devils wanted to reunite all three brothers, though.
 

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Our minor league system is stacked. This is the year to afford to give up a 1st.

Add in prospects and Johansson and get Meier here stat
I would usually agree, but this year's draft is too stacked. I would prefer a 1st rounder in '24 and then throw in a extra pick(s) or an extra prospect.
 

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What is the difference between UFA and RFA?
The short version is an RFA (restricted free agent) can only sign with his current team as long as they make him a qualifying offer, and a UFA (unrestricted free agent) is what you typically think of as a free agent and can sign with anybody.
 

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What is the difference between UFA and RFA?
UFA is unrestricted free agency. RFA is restricted free agency. The current team gets a window to sign an RFA and a few other advantages.

UFA's can go anywhere once the contract is up without penalty.
 

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I would usually agree, but this year's draft is too stacked. I would prefer a 1st rounder in '24 and then throw in a extra pick(s) or an extra prospect.

It’s considered an above-average draft class, yes. But that’s mainly due to the top 4 prospects.
 

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Krup,

Help me out…
He counts 6M against cap because that is his AAV. He gets paid 10M by SJ this year. How does that 10M come in play for signing him?
Under the previous CBA, which for some reason Meier still falls under, the qualifying offer related to the actual salary not the AAV.

That’s why you saw some guys stuck with making bridge deals making sure to back end the salary, so the team didn’t have all of the leverage on the next contract because there was an RFA year left.
 

krup

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so bratt is a RFA who makes 5.45M this year.

What happens in the offseason
The team makes a qualifying offer to retain his rights. If they don’t he becomes a free agent.

He can just take offer and play for that price and number of years, but unless it is a marginal player normally neither the team nor player want to do that (the player because he is risking injury without a long term deal, and the team because the player is a UFA afterwards).

Usually, they do the qualifying offer thing then try to work out a long term deal that works for both sides.
 

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He is definitely big, but scares me with the puck.

Who is thought of better him or Okhotiouk
Yes he can have the yips 😆. Nikita Okhotiuk is considered better. Maybe in time he is a 2-way defenseman, Bahl has limited offensive upside which hurts his value. If he were born in the 70's or earlier, he would have been in the lineup earlier. Now the suits insist on offense. At best maybe he resembles Ed Jovonosky ( sp.) or Kenny D.
 

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If Mike Grier insist on this year's 1st rounder as part of a TM trade I do it. I just would make SJ insist on it.