OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders
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I'll be rooting for Toronto and Edmonton. Really want to see a Canadian team win the Cup for the first time in 30 years. Long overdue.Upset night, the Seattle Kracken advance!
With so many upsets, after Game 7 tomorrow night, we should post our picks for Stanley Final, and our pick for Cup!
This will be fun.
The rule is perfectly fine, in fact that's how the rule has been in almost all of the hockey world, amateur and pro, possibly forever. The NHL was the exception in allowing a trip if you get the puck first, and then they changed it to be the same as everywhere else. You can stop a breakaway, you just can't knock the puck away and also trip the guy, just like you can't lift his stick and also hook his hands. Yeah it's not easy, but that's why you don't want to give up a breakaway in the first place.The NHL needs to rethink that tripping rule on Mercer. He makes the defensive play of his life and gets penalized. By letter of the law, you really can't stop a breakaway.
For giggles and laughs, change the rules so that a goalie can only play 2 periods + overtime. The scoring would be up. YEAH OFFENSE!
One of the criteria that needs to be met for a penalty shot to be awarded is that the player being fouled needs to have control of the puck. Since Mercer knocked it away, Kane didn't have control of it anymore, so it's a minor penalty. If he missed the puck and just got his skates, it's a penalty shot. It wasn't awful by the refs at all, they got the call exactly right.
YES, it also helps when the ref's are consistent for both teams! It does greatly favor the offensive player.
It disadvantages skill like the anti-Marty trapezoid.
Besides as the top league in the world it should be different IMO. Those other leagues have a much less likelihood to have players, that are capable of making that play!
I only mentioned anything because of the clear difference in calls. If you let stuff go for the home team, example Tartar's face meets crosschecked Ranger stick, do the same for the road team. Game 5 was home cooking. This is what annoys me enough to mention it. Notice I said nothing about the ref's after the first 2 games, and nothing for most of the year. I only react when things align like they did in Game 5. I like when the players decide the games.
It comes down to consistency!
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Yes, may very well be the final this year. I think this will put things in perspective, the last Canadian team that won was the Montreal Canadiens. They beat the L.A. Kings in '93, coached by Barry Melrose. Now that should help young or new fans
.YES, it also helps when the ref's are consistent for both teams! It does greatly favor the offensive player.
It disadvantages skill like the anti-Marty trapezoid.
Besides as the top league in the world it should be different IMO. Those other leagues have a much less likelihood to have players, that are capable of making that play!
I only mentioned anything because of the clear difference in calls. If you let stuff go for the home team, example Tartar's face meets crosschecked Ranger stick, do the same for the road team. Game 5 was home cooking. This is what annoys me enough to mention it. Notice I said nothing about the ref's after the first 2 games, and nothing for most of the year. I only react when things align like they did in Game 5. I like when the players decide the games.
It comes down to consistency!
Complete BS. in Game 2 you complained that Mika was not called for a slash. That is ONE example.
You call for equality in the calls, but what you want is every call that YOU think should be called and you'll concede a few calls to the other team . . .begrudgingly.
You sound like our typical fans during basketball and football games, constantly blaming officials and swearing they actually think about calling or not calling a penalty based on favoritism, or “who the league wants to see win”YES, it also helps when the ref's are consistent for both teams! It does greatly favor the offensive player.
It disadvantages skill like the anti-Marty trapezoid.
Besides as the top league in the world it should be different IMO. Those other leagues have a much less likelihood to have players, that are capable of making that play!
I only mentioned anything because of the clear difference in calls. If you let stuff go for the home team, example Tartar's face meets crosschecked Ranger stick, do the same for the road team. Game 5 was home cooking. This is what annoys me enough to mention it. Notice I said nothing about the ref's after the first 2 games, and nothing for most of the year. I only react when things align like they did in Game 5. I like when the players decide the games.
It comes down to consistency!
Why watch any games if that’s what you believe
I'm not sure what your point is about the rule. Why should you get more leniency with tripping in the top league in the world?YES, it also helps when the ref's are consistent for both teams! It does greatly favor the offensive player.
It disadvantages skill like the anti-Marty trapezoid.
Besides as the top league in the world it should be different IMO. Those other leagues have a much less likelihood to have players, that are capable of making that play!
I only mentioned anything because of the clear difference in calls. If you let stuff go for the home team, example Tartar's face meets crosschecked Ranger stick, do the same for the road team. Game 5 was home cooking. This is what annoys me enough to mention it. Notice I said nothing about the ref's after the first 2 games, and nothing for most of the year. I only react when things align like they did in Game 5. I like when the players decide the games.
It comes down to consistency!
You actually think you said nothing about the refs for most of the year? Any time things didn't go the Devils' way, there was a pretty good chance you'd be on here complaining about the refs, the rules, the league using the refs to prevent the Devils from winning, etc. Home team has nothing to do with it, the refs don't give a **** who wins, and they certainly aren't out there trying to help the home team. This isn't some amateur league where the refs live near the home team's arena, they're from everywhere and they work everywhere.
At least the Flyers had the courtesy to suck all year and not give their fans any hope, Bruins fans must really be feeling it today.
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“Tartar’s face meets cross checked Rangers stick”
Do you think the ref saw the high stick, and in that instant did not call it because it was the home team and a Ranger (whom in your mind the league give orders to the refs to favor)
Or….
As my dad used to say to umps “you didn’t see it, you missed it”
“Tartar’s face meets cross checked Rangers stick”
Do you think the ref saw the high stick, and in that instant did not call it because it was the home team and a Ranger (whom in your mind the league give orders to the refs to favor)
Or….
As my dad used to say to umps “you didn’t see it, you missed it”
People constantly bring up potential league favoritism for big market teams like the Rangers and Leafs and show they don’t understand the league.
While big market teams winning would help the league indirectly through higher TV ratings and potentially higher contract numbers 6 years from now, favoritism would have a direct and immediate impact if was used to benefit franchises that DON’T sell tons of tickets and generate huge revenue without winning cups like NY and Toronto do.
It's been TWO DAYS now. Let it go. The refs do not have a bias for the Rangers, or against the Devils.
The refs are NOT perfect, and, yes, sometimes they miss fairly obvious calls. You watch the game on TV, (or the stands), you get the benefit of seeing the big picture. The on ice guys have to be looking in certain directions, and if they are looking the other way, you won't see it.
BTW, when I say "you", not singling you out; it's meant to the spectator in general.
I just like when the players decide the games. The officiating, when not applied with the same lens, for both teams, can, and does change the game.
Now my comments were just on what happened. There are many reasons, why it could have happened. I think you are alleging, something I'm not alleging here, gambling. While technically possible, see Richie Garcia
, I don't think that is what happened. I think, since we all know sports is a business, the same factors apply, as they would, for any other customer driven business. Another Ranger fan posted a comment I liked last night, kyk... he hit on what I think is happening. Certain outcomes affect the bottom line. Most people know where there
is buttered. Just show them what different outcomes would mean.For the same reason college football has different rules than the NFL. It should be simple, try not to penalize skill.
I truly do not agree with your other comments. The only time I can think of, because you never let others vent, was when the goalie got ran in Seattle, and we went back and forth.
You came to this thread, at least I noticed your moniker, when I was discussing one possible reason, of many, for certain things I didn't care for. I think you believe, I think everything is rigged against my team. This is NOT the case.
As I said earlier in the thread, right after game 6…
Those guys did and that was the result.
My hunch is Devil’s fans will be happy after tonight’s game. That being said if the Rangers are to win, it would be a typical Rangers playoff series. Start off on fire, go down 3-2, win game 3 with backs against wall and then roll the dice. Rangers never make it easy.
Panarin needs to go to the hard work areas.
You cannot simply play on the perimeter in the playoffs.
He drifts to the perimeter even when there’s no pressure. It’s maddening.
I guarantee if he drove to the net, he would create space and open up one of his teammates for a good scoring chance.
Hell, rip a shot low where rebounds are harder to control, who knows.
I still don't know what you mean by penalizing skill. It takes more skill to poke the puck away without tripping the player.
Most players wouldn't be able to get all puck first. Just like our old Marty #30 and Marty Turco, we're why the trapezoid was put in. Most of the other goalies in the world could not puckhandle like that. In fact many were bloopers waiting to happen.
For the 44,000th time, the refs do not care about league revenue. No ref has ever thought to himself, "Alright if we can make sure New Jersey loses this round, the suits in the corporate offices might see a few extra bucks." Their evaluations also have nothing to do with which team won, it's all about how well they call the game. Like krup said, if the league was trying to use the refs to help teams, the Devils would be one of the teams they'd try to help. And like zappaa said, if you truly think there is favoritism, why do you watch? If I felt that way, I sure as hell wouldn't.I just like when the players decide the games. The officiating, when not applied with the same lens, for both teams, can, and does change the game.
Now my comments were just on what happened. There are many reasons, why it could have happened. I think you are alleging, something I'm not alleging here, gambling. While technically possible, see Richie Garcia
I think, since we all know sports is a business, the same factors apply, as they would, for any other customer driven business. Another Ranger fan posted a comment I liked last night, kyk... he hit on what I think is happening. Certain outcomes affect the bottom line. Most people know where there
He got puck first and then he tripped him. You want to reward skill? Then make it so tripping isn't excused just because you got the puck first. Oh wait, it already is that way. But the Devils were on the wrong end of the most recent application of the rule, so it should be changed.
Right on!I just like when the players decide the games. The officiating, when not applied with the same lens, for both teams, can, and does change the game.
Now my comments were just on what happened. There are many reasons, why it could have happened. I think you are alleging, something I'm not alleging here, gambling. While technically possible, see Richie Garcia
I think, since we all know sports is a business, the same factors apply, as they would, for any other customer driven business. Another Ranger fan posted a comment I liked last night, kyk... he hit on what I think is happening. Certain outcomes affect the bottom line. Most people know where there
We see this differently, carry on.
When they didn't call certain things, I thought ok swallow your whistles great. However, like the team, if you heard post Game, there were highly questionable calls. Again, I never said why it happened, just that it happened. I am in the camp of most Devils fan's, in saying they seemed to call an uneven game.
Now enjoy Game 7!
Thank YOU! We need team threads, next year. I used to like this, thinking it was an open opinion forum, but now we have devolved into Rangers group think. I guess only approved opinions and thoughts are now acceptable!
Enjoy Game 7! Let's welcome the Rangers properly to Hell, and beat those overhyped Bastards!
LOL, you have to have fun folks.
You can't even see, let alone accept that your viewpoint is biased.
When you believe your own ******** . . .that's a sickness. LOL
I’m sorry, but no. This thread probably has more Devils fans on it than Rangers fans. And the Rangers fans are focused more on our own team/coaching than anything related to the Devils. There is no “Rangers group think” here.
And the person with whom you’re most recently debating (@robcac26 ) is a Devils fan I believe…and someone with a lot of experience in officiating hockey.
It’s ok to be an emotional fan and see things through just one lens…that’s what sports fandom is. Just acknowledge it and people wouldn’t be pushing back on you.
LET'S GO DEVILS!!!! LET'S GO DEVILS!!!! LET'S GO DEVILS!!!! Get er done!
The penalty on Mercer was fine (I'm saying this as a Devils fan). End of the day, Mercer tripped Kane. That is not up for debate. It wasn't a penalty shot because Mercer got the puck first.YES, it also helps when the ref's are consistent for both teams! It does greatly favor the offensive player.
It disadvantages skill like the anti-Marty trapezoid.
Besides as the top league in the world it should be different IMO. Those other leagues have a much less likelihood to have players, that are capable of making that play!
I only mentioned anything because of the clear difference in calls. If you let stuff go for the home team, example Tartar's face meets crosschecked Ranger stick, do the same for the road team. Game 5 was home cooking. This is what annoys me enough to mention it. Notice I said nothing about the ref's after the first 2 games, and nothing for most of the year. I only react when things align like they did in Game 5. I like when the players decide the games.
It comes down to consistency!
Personally I hate complaining about refs. Fans of teams think that 30% of penalties called against their team and 99% of penalties called for their team are valid. We are all unbiased observers. The refs definitely don't get it right 100% of the time and clearly missed the high stick on Tatar, but the ref discrepancy we see as fans is almost certainly way off the mark versus the reality. Devils lost Game 6 because they took stupid penalties, weren't as sharp on the details of the game, gave up higher danger scoring chances than the previous few games, and still haven't solved Shesterkin.
Game 7 tonight...it's all in front of both teams tonight. Because Shesterkin is so good, the Devils need to be twice as good as the Rangers to win. I think they can do that, but they are unlikely to get any cheap goals.
YES, I'm not going to post about 6 anymore. Poetic Justice would be Game 7 would be called the same way. I think the rule is dumb, just that they should be consistent. I never posted Mercer didn't trip Kane. It needs to look like their end of the game barrage of game misconducts to stop things from boiling over. I was annoyed, because of what they let go, especially after the whistle.
Really I just
neither team has any injuries tonight. Sports are fun when not taken too seriously. Eagles fans are still hot about the late call in the Super Bowl.Enjoy the game!
With McCauley/Dwyer as the referee pair tonight, there will be calls that have one or both fanbases pissed off.YES, I'm not going to post about 6 anymore. Poetic Justice would be Game 7 would be called the same way. I think the rule is dumb, just that they should be consistent. I never posted Mercer didn't trip Kane. It needs to look like their end of the game barrage of game misconducts to stop things from boiling over. I was annoyed, because of what they let go, especially after the whistle.
Really I just
Enjoy the game!
The only agenda involved will be the NHL refusing to hold on ice officials and league office personnel accountable for their incompetence and instead rewarding them with big assignments like this.
I agree with that. I hope the game is not so badly officiated, that either team feels slighted.
After all, when the famous quote is, larceny lies in the hearts of all men, and when the world and the people that live here are not perfect, mistakes and accidents happen. I learned it is better to not think or question, rather just go with the flow and drone on.
Enjoy tonight! I think you will be happy.