OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders

zappaa

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Zap, that would be just bad asset management. You know there are always teams who think they might be able to get more out of a player. Lafreniere would have decent trade value. Hell, the Canadians would probably still jump at the chance to get him.

The Rangers shouldn’t be going nuts with rentals this year. Third pair LD and some bottom six depth.
They need a legit right wing with Bread and Trochek also.
Believe it or not Vesey actually carries the puck across the blue line once in a while.
That’s more than I can say about Laf and Kratsov right now.
Laf last night was astoundingly invisible again other than a few one touches and a backhand on goal
 

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They need a legit right wing with Bread and Trochek also.
Believe it or not Vesey actually carries the puck across the blue line once in a while.
That’s more than I can say about Laf and Kratsov right now.
Laf last night was astoundingly invisible again other than a few one touches and a backhand on goal

Hypothetical, (and if I'm MTL, no way in hell ). .
what if Laf and the top Rangers first round pick this year for MTL's first?

There's no guarantee that they get Bedard, but if I'm the Rangers, you're only moving up.
MTL gets their covered French Canadian, and the opportunity to load up for a rebuild.

I'm fantasizing, but that'd be sweet.
 
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Hypothetical, (and if I'm MTL, no way in hell ). .
what if Laf and the top Rangers first round pick this year for MTL's first?

There's no guarantee that they get Bedard, but if I'm the Rangers, you're only moving up.
MTL gets their covered French Canadian, and the opportunity to load up for a rebuild.

I'm fantasizing, but that'd be sweet.
No way in hell is the Habs (or anyone) trading an unprotected lottery pick in this draft, even if you don't win the lottery to get Bedard there are fantastic other prospects to be had, this is the one of the best drafts in recent memory.
 
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No way in hell is the Habs (or anyone) trading an unprotected lottery pick in this draft, even if you don't win the lottery to get Bedard there are fantastic other prospects to be had, this is the one of the best drafts in recent memory.

Probably, Canadian teams are weird though.

I remember one team traded to get Adam Larsson; think the guy going the other was a slug named Taylor Hall. LOL.

End of the day. I think Lafrenierre is a bad hand; time to fold. AND, he very well might turn out to be a really good player, but he doesn't have 50% of Hughes' skill set and both were consensus first overall picks. How long do you wait?
 

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They need a legit right wing with Bread and Trochek also.
Believe it or not Vesey actually carries the puck across the blue line once in a while.
That’s more than I can say about Laf and Kratsov right now.
Laf last night was astoundingly invisible again other than a few one touches and a backhand on goal
You appear to be watching a different Kravstov than I am, although something happened last night that really makes me wonder more about what the hell the Rangers are doing with development.

While Kravstov was playing in the KHL, I saw a lot of clips where he scored from between the circles and in with a nice shot. So he scores last night, they show him happy on get bench, then a few minutes later he has the puck and is open in that scoring area I mentioned, and he still tries the extra pass instead of shooting.

It is like the Rangers suck the scoring instinct out of these guys. Maybe they should hire some ex-scorers to be in charge of development instead of guys like Tanner Glass.
 

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You appear to be watching a different Kravstov than I am, although something happened last night that really makes me wonder more about what the hell the Rangers are doing with development.

While Kravstov was playing in the KHL, I saw a lot of clips where he scored from between the circles and in with a nice shot. So he scores last night, they show him happy on get bench, then a few minutes later he has the puck and is open in that scoring area I mentioned, and he still tries the extra pass instead of shooting.

It is like the Rangers suck the scoring instinct out of these guys. Maybe they should hire some ex-scorers to be in charge of development instead of guys like Tanner Glass.
Rangers are leading the league in passing up shooting opportunities.
Even Fox and Bread take themselves out of the play way to much.
It reminds me of Paul passing up a shot and getting wedged in on the baseline.
 

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You appear to be watching a different Kravstov than I am, although something happened last night that really makes me wonder more about what the hell the Rangers are doing with development.

While Kravstov was playing in the KHL, I saw a lot of clips where he scored from between the circles and in with a nice shot. So he scores last night, they show him happy on get bench, then a few minutes later he has the puck and is open in that scoring area I mentioned, and he still tries the extra pass instead of shooting.

It is like the Rangers suck the scoring instinct out of these guys. Maybe they should hire some ex-scorers to be in charge of development instead of guys like Tanner Glass.

The Rangers had similar issues with Kovalev.
He'd skate through 2 or 3 guys to a scoring position, then retreat and try to beat the same guys again. I loved Kovalev, but that used to drive me crazy. I literally learned how to say shoot in Russian just so I could yell it at the Garden. He probably couldn't hear me though.
 

zappaa

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Hypothetical, (and if I'm MTL, no way in hell ). .
what if Laf and the top Rangers first round pick this year for MTL's first?

There's no guarantee that they get Bedard, but if I'm the Rangers, you're only moving up.
MTL gets their covered French Canadian, and the opportunity to load up for a rebuild.

I'm fantasizing, but that'd be sweet.
Montreal has scouts!
They see no speed, no jump and a weak possession stick.
 

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You appear to be watching a different Kravstov than I am, although something happened last night that really makes me wonder more about what the hell the Rangers are doing with development.

While Kravstov was playing in the KHL, I saw a lot of clips where he scored from between the circles and in with a nice shot. So he scores last night, they show him happy on get bench, then a few minutes later he has the puck and is open in that scoring area I mentioned, and he still tries the extra pass instead of shooting.

It is like the Rangers suck the scoring instinct out of these guys. Maybe they should hire some ex-scorers to be in charge of development instead of guys like Tanner Glass.
From literally the other side of the world, Vladivostok and played in the middle of nowhere, Chelyabinsk in the KHL.

His English is pretty good. A helluva lot better than my Russian. LOL
 
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From literally the other side of the world, Vladivostok and played in the middle of nowhere, Chelyabinsk in the KHL.

His English is pretty good. A helluva lot better than my Russian. LOL
Kravstov changing his game is more damning of the Rangers’ development than Lafreniere’s. Laf put up big numbers against kids in the Q. Kravstov did well playing against grown men in the KHL.
 

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Montreal has scouts!
They see no speed, no jump and a weak possession stick.
Cmon Zap, you know whether it is baseball, football, or hockey there are going to be some teams that think they can get more out of a player than another team has.

It certainly wouldn’t be for a huge amount of assets considering he was #1 overall, but I bet there are quite a few teams who know they aren’t close now that would be interested.
 

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The Rangers had similar issues with Kovalev.
He'd skate through 2 or 3 guys to a scoring position, then retreat and try to beat the same guys again. I loved Kovalev, but that used to drive me crazy. I literally learned how to say shoot in Russian just so I could yell it at the Garden. He probably couldn't hear me though.
Say what you want about Kovalev but he scored one of the biggest goals in Rangers history and IMHO the biggest goal in their 1994 cup run.

I know, I was there. 😣

But yeah, he was a wonderful talent on the ice.
 

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Say what you want about Kovalev but he scored one of the biggest goals in Rangers history and IMHO the biggest goal in their 1994 cup run.

I know, I was there. 😣

But yeah, he was a wonderful talent on the ice.

He was exciting as hell to watch.
 
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None of you guys are spelling Kravtsov correctly. Sorry, misspellings are a pet peeve of mine 🙃
I am so bad at typing on my phone, I am lucky to get close enough that people know who I am talking about.

Also, after I got used to Shestyorkin the whole time he was a prospect then it changed to Shesterkin when he got here, I don’t sweat the details when it comes to Russian players.
 

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I am so bad at typing on my phone, I am lucky to get close enough that people know who I am talking about.

Also, after I got used to Shestyorkin the whole time he was a prospect then it changed to Shesterkin when he got here, I don’t sweat the details when it comes to Russian players.
Speaking of which, I was just going through my old hockey cards and found an "Ilja" Bryzgalov rookie card. Also found Jagr and Richter rookie cards, both of which are sadly only worth a combined $4.
 

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He might be my number 2 All time. Which means he’s hockey royalty. His biggest marvel, to me was his staying power. The guy never got hurt, was ridiculously consistently great, and played a legendary number of minutes.

I just think Hasek was more talented. I really didn’t have goalies on my list, Hasek was just an afterthought. But, yeah, I should have listed MB. He deserves to be mentioned as well.

Goalies are funny. For a few years, Billy Smith was absolute PO MONEY. And in real life, he looked like a plumber, haha. Dryden had an insane run (4 cups and 4 Vezinas, all in a row), but way too short a career. Would I have picked those guys, in their prime, in a SCF series over MB? Maybe. For their entire career, nope.
Like Wilt, when a sport changes a rule because you are the only one that is great at it, you are the best that ever played.
 

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I'm with you, but outside of abbreviations, v's and t's don't belong together.
Just as nuts is using “r” as vowel like they do in Hrvatska. They have an island in the Adriatic named Krk, a trg is a square, etc. And it’s a rolling R, so I only really try to say this stuff a few pivos in…
 

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Like Wilt, when a sport changes a rule because you are the only one that is great at it, you are the best that ever played.
I’m not smart enough to run the numbers to see if this change led to more goals (I believe this was the logic at the time, but not positive) or not. But, my gut tells me - that rule change was stupid, shortsighted and punitive for no real benefit. Goalie wants to make a play on a puck, it’s fun and exciting. Only in the NHL do we get jealous owners/GMs that want less of that. It’s been run as a provincial, marginal and Mickey Mouse league for a long time.
 

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I’m not smart enough to run the numbers to see if this change led to more goals (I believe this was the logic at the time, but not positive) or not. But, my gut tells me - that rule change was stupid, shortsighted and punitive for no real benefit. Goalie wants to make a play on a puck, it’s fun and exciting. Only in the NHL do we get jealous owners/GMs that want less of that. It’s been run as a provincial, marginal and Mickey Mouse league for a long time.
Bobby Clarke was the big proponent of the rule. Pretty sure he just wanted to restrict goalies playing the puck because he had 16 games a year against Brodeur and DiPietro. I don't recall him having an issue with it when he had Hextall on his team.
 

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Speaking of Goalies, even though way before all of us, need to mention Jacques Plante. A true innovator. Was the first goalie to stick handle. Literally wrote the book about modern goaltending with “On Goaltending”. Yes, he played on a stacked Habs franchise, but we don’t hold playing on strong teams against Roy or MB. He was more than dominant. Plus, won his 7th Vezina, on an expansion team, at 40!
 

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Great job by Ivan Provorov.
Since I don't want to turn this into a debate that belongs on the CE board, from a hockey standpoint I don't understand why he didn't just take warmups in the regular game jersey instead of skipping the whole thing.
 
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Since I don't want to turn this into a debate that belongs on the CE board, from a hockey standpoint I don't understand why he didn't just take warmups in the regular game jersey instead of skipping the whole thing.
I wonder if that was an option?
 

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I wonder if that was an option?
I guess it's possible they told him to just stay in the locker room but at the end of the day, the 2 points are what is important from the team's perspective so I'm guessing they'd prefer he participate in warmups rather than potentially risk injury and his own athletic performance by not getting some skating in pre-game. Then again, with the way their season is going maybe draft position has become a higher priority than winning games lol.
 

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Since I don't want to turn this into a debate that belongs on the CE board, from a hockey standpoint I don't understand why he didn't just take warmups in the regular game jersey instead of skipping the whole thing.
He should have. I like it is a 2-way street. Not trying to go CE, which is why I phrased the post the way I did.
 

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Bad post. Why even bring up a topic that could get this thread hijacked due to CE material.

This is a great thread full of legit hockey talk. Why jeopardize that?
Bad post? I didn't get political. I left it opened ended, but since a few of you couldn't just leave it alone, I hate the CE material being injected in sports. I support a 2-way street.
 
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News flash ESPN/Disney is making this a hockey story, not me!

I didn't define why in my post so untwist your panties those who were offended. I appreciate those that have concrete conviction's they will not compromise on! That is it, plus he is a good player on a bad team with the trade deadline coming up!
 
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It's CE Board material. Period. Id tell you to not act dumb like it isn't CE Board material but the problem is you aren't acting.
Excuse me I said " great job by IP" period. That is open ended and was purposefully NOT DEFINED!

To me people should have just left it alone. However I feel it is safe to say if this was former player Kurtis Gabriel doing the exact opposite, you and the couple of others would have liked it.

To me unless you are trying to start trouble, leave it alone! If someone hadn't seen it blowup on ESPN they wouldn't have known!

I have a history of keeping politics out of sports. I hate that it has been injected.
 
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Excuse me I said " great job by IP" period. That is open ended and was purposefully NOT DEFINED!

To me people should have just left it alone. However I feel it is safe to say if this was former player Kurtis Gabriel doing the exact opposite, you and the couple of others would have liked it.

To me unless you are trying to start trouble, leave it alone! If someone hadn't seen it blowup on ESPN they wouldn't have known!

I have a history of keeping politics out of sports. I hate that it has been injected.
When you can infer what you were getting at in the matter of a second or two you aren’t leaving it all that open ended and if you don’t want folks to then reference your post the maybe don’t post it. Seems pretty simple.